"Mr. President, you don't believe in the Constitution. You believe in socialism."

[ScreamingEagle]

Um..

Because it is.

In any case..corporations are pretty apolitical. They go with the horse that gives them the best deal.

Um...

what's "conservative" about a government taking over your company....?

That's not how Fascism/Corporatism works.

You might want to take a look at companies supported by Fascist governments...during WWII.

Many of them are still here. The governments that supported them..are not.

You sidestepped the question....government control of one's company is not today's conservativism...

Fascism takes economic control...in many forms of course...and i'm glad to hear there are some WWII survivors in Italy since their economy was pretty much flattened back then...

Corporatism is said to be one form of Fascism....

I believe Obama falls more in line with "Liberal Corporatism"....ala FDR and the New Deal...back when government also stepped in to finance banks, industry, the railroads, etc. as well as promote the unions...and establish socialistic programs...

 

[Vanquish]

There you go...misusing socialism as your go-to word when you need a filler in your sentence.

WTF man. Get the definition and apply it correctly.

 

[BrianH]

Sorta.

It's what Mussolini and his pals called Corporatism.

But in reality..the nexus between Government and Private Enterprise..is Fascism.

I thought it was socialism??

What you have, is the private sector competing for contracts... that's free-enterprise... THE PROBLEM...is that our government IS contracting out to private contractors. (which I don't like). I think the military, in iteself, should be more socialist and self-sufficient. Military spending is not socialist or facism, it's capitalism gone rampant.

No it isn't.

The type of Military perscribed by the Constitution..is socialism. And actually..socialism "lite". There was never an intention of having a permanent standing army under a central government. The army was to be called, as needed and funded as needed to be reviewed every 2 years. That's basically because one never knows how long a war will last. The navy on the other hand is permanent. To be funded by the government. Or socialistic.

Capitalism implies competition. Without it..you have corporatism.

Which other military is competing for funding?

You could probably say..Blackwater..or what ever the heck they call themselves these days.

Republicans are trying to privatize everything.

1. Is it really so hard to belive that parts of our government down adhere strictly to the Constitution?

2. Who do you think ends up with the money that the military gets? Yes, they do get funded, but they don't end up with it--other than salaries paid to soldiers. BILLIONS get funnelled straight to the private sector---who are competing for military contracts...There are defense expos every year in which top brass of the military attend. At these expos, private companies strut their stuff and flaunt their products (compete) in hopes of gettin a military contract. This is capitalism....

 

[ScreamingEagle]

There you go...misusing socialism as your go-to word when you need a filler in your sentence.

WTF man. Get the definition and apply it correctly.

socialistic does not mean socialism....precisely...

 

[rightwinger]

Um...

what's "conservative" about a government taking over your company....?

That's not how Fascism/Corporatism works.

You might want to take a look at companies supported by Fascist governments...during WWII.

Many of them are still here. The governments that supported them..are not.

You sidestepped the question....government control of one's company is not today's conservativism...

Fascism takes economic control...in many forms of course...and i'm glad to hear there are some WWII survivors in Italy since their economy was pretty much flattened back then...

Corporatism is said to be one form of Fascism....

I believe Obama falls more in line with "Liberal Corporatism"....ala FDR and the New Deal...back when government also stepped in to finance banks, industry, the railroads, etc. as well as promote the unions...and establish socialistic programs...

The US Government took over all critical manufacturing in WWII

Were we socialist then too?

 

[Vanquish]

There you go...misusing socialism as your go-to word when you need a filler in your sentence.

WTF man. Get the definition and apply it correctly.

socialistic does not mean socialism....precisely...

WTF ... are you being retarded on purpose?

socialistic = promoting socialism

Socialistic - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

 

[Sallow]

Um...

what's "conservative" about a government taking over your company....?

That's not how Fascism/Corporatism works.

You might want to take a look at companies supported by Fascist governments...during WWII.

Many of them are still here. The governments that supported them..are not.

You sidestepped the question....government control of one's company is not today's conservativism...

Fascism takes economic control...in many forms of course...and i'm glad to hear there are some WWII survivors in Italy since their economy was pretty much flattened back then...

Corporatism is said to be one form of Fascism....

I believe Obama falls more in line with "Liberal Corporatism"....ala FDR and the New Deal...back when government also stepped in to finance banks, industry, the railroads, etc. as well as promote the unions...and establish socialistic programs...

I didn't side step anything. Fascists don't "take over" companies. They provide them with what they need to prosper. Like "free" workers. While it may or may not be "today's" conservatism..it's mostly definitely a precept of the right. In that, Labor, has little or no value..and those that are powerful and wealthy, deserve it.

 

[Sallow]

I thought it was socialism??

What you have, is the private sector competing for contracts... that's free-enterprise... THE PROBLEM...is that our government IS contracting out to private contractors. (which I don't like). I think the military, in iteself, should be more socialist and self-sufficient. Military spending is not socialist or facism, it's capitalism gone rampant.

No it isn't.

The type of Military perscribed by the Constitution..is socialism. And actually..socialism "lite". There was never an intention of having a permanent standing army under a central government. The army was to be called, as needed and funded as needed to be reviewed every 2 years. That's basically because one never knows how long a war will last. The navy on the other hand is permanent. To be funded by the government. Or socialistic.

Capitalism implies competition. Without it..you have corporatism.

Which other military is competing for funding?

You could probably say..Blackwater..or what ever the heck they call themselves these days.

Republicans are trying to privatize everything.

1. Is it really so hard to belive that parts of our government down adhere strictly to the Constitution?

2. Who do you think ends up with the money that the military gets? Yes, they do get funded, but they don't end up with it--other than salaries paid to soldiers. BILLIONS get funnelled straight to the private sector---who are competing for military contracts...There are defense expos every year in which top brass of the military attend. At these expos, private companies strut their stuff and flaunt their products (compete) in hopes of gettin a military contract. This is capitalism....

1. Bwuh?

2. No it isn't. Public enrichment..via the government and tax payer dollars..of private coffers is not capitalism.

 

[AmericanFirst]

poor insane whining eagle.

It is not winning when it is the truth. Obama is a marxist.

 

[AmericanFirst]

What is the difference between 'investing' and 'spending' in Government-Speak?

Honestly, not much. But it is true that military spending in the form of wartime spending, pushes to develop new technologies, or programs like the space race drive innovation in the USA. An insane number of the products we use today have roots in military spending.

I've said for a long time that if the military were handed the mandate to build a modern military that could defend this nation in the event that we were cut off from foreign oil that they'd pull it off. And the inovation necessary to build tanks, boats, and planes that could run on limited/no oil would completely change the game here at home.

It's really surprising that those that cry out against "socialism" think military spending is somehow "sacred". It's not. It's a very big form of socialism. In fact, the United States Constitution is in part..socialism. There are articles and clauses that are socialism.

And I notice in the Republican responses..they focus on national defense (socialism) and breeze right over general welfare (socialism).

I see you are still an idiot.

 

[JScott]

Honestly, not much. But it is true that military spending in the form of wartime spending, pushes to develop new technologies, or programs like the space race drive innovation in the USA. An insane number of the products we use today have roots in military spending.

I've said for a long time that if the military were handed the mandate to build a modern military that could defend this nation in the event that we were cut off from foreign oil that they'd pull it off. And the inovation necessary to build tanks, boats, and planes that could run on limited/no oil would completely change the game here at home.

It's really surprising that those that cry out against "socialism" think military spending is somehow "sacred". It's not. It's a very big form of socialism. In fact, the United States Constitution is in part..socialism. There are articles and clauses that are socialism.

And I notice in the Republican responses..they focus on national defense (socialism) and breeze right over general welfare (socialism).

I see you are still an idiot.

So, what makes him an idiot and you a thinking machine?

 

[AmericanFirst]

It's really surprising that those that cry out against "socialism" think military spending is somehow "sacred". It's not. It's a very big form of socialism. In fact, the United States Constitution is in part..socialism. There are articles and clauses that are socialism.

And I notice in the Republican responses..they focus on national defense (socialism) and breeze right over general welfare (socialism).

So you also think our allies and us united against a common enemy is a form of "socialism"....? you libs really know how to twist things...

You are mixing statecraft and socialism..and now talk about "twisting things"?

Amazing!

The military is constitutional, obama is not, idiot!!!

 

[AmericanFirst]

It's really surprising that those that cry out against "socialism" think military spending is somehow "sacred". It's not. It's a very big form of socialism. In fact, the United States Constitution is in part..socialism. There are articles and clauses that are socialism.

And I notice in the Republican responses..they focus on national defense (socialism) and breeze right over general welfare (socialism).

I see you are still an idiot.

So, what makes him an idiot and you a thinking machine?

If you support a socialist like obama in this country, that makes you an idiot, no thinking required, just patriotism.

 

[Sallow]

I see you are still an idiot.

So, what makes him an idiot and you a thinking machine?

If you support a socialist like obama in this country, that makes you an idiot, no thinking required, just patriotism.

Unthinking Patriotism..hmm..why is that so damned familiar..

 

[AmericanFirst]

Unbelievable.... simply unbelievable how dense you idiots really are.

I believe it. The dimwits prove everyday how ignorant and stupid they are. Great entertainment. Especially when I see reid or pelosi on t.v. , simply comical.

 

[Sallow]

So you also think our allies and us united against a common enemy is a form of "socialism"....? you libs really know how to twist things...

You are mixing statecraft and socialism..and now talk about "twisting things"?

Amazing!

The military is constitutional, obama is not, idiot!!!

President Obama was duly elected as per Constitutional requirements.

Therefore he is "Constitutional".

And by your own criteria..not supporting a duly elected American President is not patriotic.

Which begs the question..

Why do you hate America?

 

[JScott]

I see you are still an idiot.

So, what makes him an idiot and you a thinking machine?

If you support a socialist like obama in this country, that makes you an idiot, no thinking required, just patriotism.

So Einstein, who should be president?

 

[Vanquish]

I see you are still an idiot.

So, what makes him an idiot and you a thinking machine?

If you support a socialist like obama in this country, that makes you an idiot, no thinking required, just patriotism.

He's NOT a fucking socialist. It's braindead "morans" like you who really bring political debate down to a crawl.

He's not advocating the abolishment of private property
He's not advocating governmental control of the means of production
He's continued to bailout the banks and private industry
He's gotten law passed that feeds private insurance companies with new customers.

What

The

Fuck

are you idiotic regurgitators smoking??

 

[Sallow]

So you also think our allies and us united against a common enemy is a form of "socialism"....? you libs really know how to twist things...

You are mixing statecraft and socialism..and now talk about "twisting things"?

Amazing!

The military is constitutional, obama is not, idiot!!!

You're a little mixed up. Perhaps a nice dry martini would help.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

There you go...misusing socialism as your go-to word when you need a filler in your sentence.

WTF man. Get the definition and apply it correctly.

WTF yourself....stop splitting hairs then...we'll just say FDR was a flat out socialist and be done with it...