"Mr. President, you don't believe in the Constitution. You believe in socialism."

[Sallow]

There you go...misusing socialism as your go-to word when you need a filler in your sentence.

WTF man. Get the definition and apply it correctly.

WTF yourself....stop splitting hairs then...we'll just say FDR was a flat out socialist and be done with it...

Ladies and Gentlemen.

I give you Binary thinking on display.



Now..this way to the all powerful Egress!

 

[The Infidel]

President Obama was duly elected as per Constitutional requirements.
Therefore he is "Constitutional".

And by your own criteria..not supporting a duly elected American President is not patriotic.

Which begs the question..

Why do you hate America?

Whatever...

 

[ScreamingEagle]

That's not how Fascism/Corporatism works.

You might want to take a look at companies supported by Fascist governments...during WWII.

Many of them are still here. The governments that supported them..are not.

You sidestepped the question....government control of one's company is not today's conservativism...

Fascism takes economic control...in many forms of course...and i'm glad to hear there are some WWII survivors in Italy since their economy was pretty much flattened back then...

Corporatism is said to be one form of Fascism....

I believe Obama falls more in line with "Liberal Corporatism"....ala FDR and the New Deal...back when government also stepped in to finance banks, industry, the railroads, etc. as well as promote the unions...and establish socialistic programs...

I didn't side step anything. Fascists don't "take over" companies. They provide them with what they need to prosper. Like "free" workers. While it may or may not be "today's" conservatism..it's mostly definitely a precept of the right. In that, Labor, has little or no value..and those that are powerful and wealthy, deserve it.

I hear what you're saying but that is only one way of looking at it...especially when the heads of industries are members of the favored group or race....there are many forms of fascism....but strict government controls over private industry is one of the first steps towards fascism...or "corporatism"...

"Political scientists may also use the term corporatism to describe a practice whereby a state, through the process of licensing and regulating officially-incorporated social, religious, economic, or popular organizations, effectively co-opts their leadership or circumscribes their ability to challenge state authority by establishing the state as the source of their legitimacy, as well as sometimes running them, either directly or indirectly."

Where in the Constitution does it say Obama has the right to fire a CEO or that he can decide which kind of car to make...?

Corporatism is a merging of state and corporate power....one can say this is also a form of socialism...

Corporatism

 

[MarcATL]

Privatize the gains + Socialize the losses = Republican Mantra

 

[ScreamingEagle]

There you go...misusing socialism as your go-to word when you need a filler in your sentence.

WTF man. Get the definition and apply it correctly.

WTF yourself....stop splitting hairs then...we'll just say FDR was a flat out socialist and be done with it...

Ladies and Gentlemen.

I give you Binary thinking on display.



Now..this way to the all powerful Egress!

Yes...one must use Binary thinking to deal with whiny liberals...

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Privatize the gains + Socialize the losses = Republican Mantra

aka lemon socialism...

 

[JakeStarkey]

<snip>

Shows exactly how Obama is a socialist after you have defined the term.

You won't because you can't.

 

[Sallow]

WTF yourself....stop splitting hairs then...we'll just say FDR was a flat out socialist and be done with it...

Ladies and Gentlemen.

I give you Binary thinking on display.



Now..this way to the all powerful Egress!

Yes...one must use Binary thinking to deal with whiny liberals...

Well that's one excuse.

And if that's your story and your sticking by it..

It's all good.

(And special)

 

[ScreamingEagle]

<snip>

Shows exactly how Obama is a socialist after you have defined the term.

You won't because you can't.

Socialism:–noun
1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

Socialism | Define Socialism at Dictionary.com



The claim: No proof Barack Obama is a socialist

The response:

Barack Obama Sr. (Dad)

*Communist who saw nothing wrong with government ‘taxing 100%’ so long as the people got benefits…

*Harvard educated economist

*Nairobi bureaucrat who advised government to ‘redistribute’ income through higher taxes

*Demonized corporations

*Abandoned Barack Obama Jr. when he was 2 years old to continue at Harvard (teaching son that ideology is more important than family)

Stanley Ann Dunham (Mom)

*Communist sympathizer

*Practiced ‘critical theory’ (aka Marxism)

*Influenced by Nietzsche and Freud

*Left Hawaii for Indonesia, Pakistan

*Attended a leftist church nicknamed the ‘little red church’ because of its Communist sympathies

*Left Barack Obama Jr.

Mentor

*Barack’s grandparents introduced Barack Obama Jr. to poet and communist Frank Marshall Davis (Link)

*Davis becomes a mentor as young Barack struggled with abandonment by parents

College & Church

*Admittedly sought out ‘Marxist’ professors (Link)

*Admittedly attended ‘socialist conferences’ (Link)

*Began attending a Marxist church – led by pastor Jeremiah Wright (attended for 20 years) (Link)

Career

*Tragedy of the Warren Court: No redistributive change (Link)

*Voted for TARP (Link)

*$787 billion stimulus redistribution bill

*Healthcare bill admittedly about ‘redistributing the wealth’

*Single Payer Healthcare proponent (Link)

*President Obama now also President of GM & Chrysler

*President Obama seizes control of insurance giant AIG

*President Obama is leading America to single payer healthcare

*President Obama seized control of Student Loan industry in order to ‘cut out middle man’

*President Obama seizes control in massive land grabs

*Repeatedly vilifies ‘the rich’

*Obama believes race problems can be solved through redistribution of wealth… he said "race is still an enormous factor in our society. But economics can overcome a lot of racial division."

*Trying to regulate the Internet via FCC

*Forces mortgage co’s to cover people who aren’t paying mortgage (Link)

*Extends unemployment benefits to 99 weeks (Link)

*Told Joe the plumber ‘it’s better when you spread things around’ (Link)

Family, Friends, Advisors & Administration

*Wife Michelle Obama said “The truth is, in order to get things like universal health care and a revamped education system, then someone is going to have to give up a piece of their pie so that someone else can have more.”

*Jim Wallis, Obama’s spiritual advisor & forced redistribution of wealth advocate

*Van Jones, disgraced Green Jobs Czar & Communist

*Ron Bloom, Manufacturing Czar & anti-free market

*John Holdren, pro-redistribution of wealth

*Andy Stern, SEIU President & redistribution of wealth fan

*Anita Dunn, fan of Chairman Mao

*Mark Lloyd, FCC ‘Diversity Czar’

*Carol Browner, socialist

*Robert Creamer, socialist

Is Obama a socialist? – Glenn Beck

 

[JakeStarkey]

<snip>

Shows exactly how Obama is a socialist after you have defined the term.

You won't because you can't.

Socialism:–noun
1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

Socialism | Define Socialism at Dictionary.com

<snip> the rest are talking points without linking between action and the definition of socialism

We will continue your education. Give us a definition of 'social democracy' and then make the links.

Oh, don't use Beck again, for he is no more reliable and objective than Olbermann. They are both the same coin, different sides. And, if you do, give the sources, not just the assertions.

 

[daveman]

I expect OTHER people to do their share just as I do.

I ask again .. do you expect that socialists should pay more to support a failing capitalist system then people like YOU who support this system? You failed to answer .. wonder why?

I pay my share and don't whine about it because I recognize that taxes are a necessary function of government .. which I suspect is not what you believe or support.

I have a shirt .. lo's of them .. don't need yours.

Grow up dude.

I'm not a liberal

Then what are you? You're certainly no conservative. Just how far left are you?

Perhaps you should have asked that before you assumed the stupid.

I'm a socialist and I've made that quite clear.

I ask AGAIN .. do you expect that socialists should pay more to support a failing capitalist system then people like YOU who support this system?

I expect people to walk the walk. Looks like you don't want to.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Shows exactly how Obama is a socialist after you have defined the term.

You won't because you can't.

Socialism:&#8211;noun
1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

Socialism | Define Socialism at Dictionary.com

<snip> the rest are talking points without linking between action and the definition of socialism

We will continue your education. Give us a definition of 'social democracy' and then make the links.

Oh, don't use Beck again, for he is no more reliable and objective than Olbermann. They are both the same coin, different sides. And, if you do, give the sources, not just the assertions.

Fuckin A...take a hike bubba...

 

[daveman]

No, and why should I?

Is that your idea of what socialism is .. that socialists should pay more to support a failing capitalist system then the capitalists do?

I also don't whine constantly about paying my fair share of taxes .. do you?

Ahhh. So you expect OTHER people to pick up the slack.

Liberals are very generous. They'll give you the shirt off someone else's back.

Well essentially given I work for the private sector..and you work for the public sector..you've got my shirt.

How's it fit? Probably a little big.

You know what the difference between the military and Democrat vote-buying entitlement programs is?

The military earns their money.

 

[Sallow]

Beck?

He's a self professed alcoholic and drug addict.

Not only that..he's got nothing on Elmer Gantry. Actually better..he can cry on cue.

 

[daveman]

Privatize the gains + Socialize the losses = Republican Mantra

Nuclear Loan Guarantee/FOIA Lawsuit Filed - Obama Administration Sued for Hiding Details of $8.3 Billion Taxpayer-Backed Reactor - Salem-News.Com

Stephen Smith, executive director, Southern Alliance for Clean Energy, said: “This is too large a sum of taxpayer's money, being spent on too risky a project for there to be this much cover-up and secrecy. This is the first award of what could be tens of billions of dollars more in new federal subsidies for the nuclear industry – setting the precedent of hiding the financial ball from the public in round one is a bad start. We need openness and transparency. Obama's Department of Energy, Southern Company and the public power companies which are part of this cover-up need to set the record straight and tell the truth about what is going on here; that they are socializing the risk and privatizing the profits for big power companies."​

Damn that Republican Obama!

 

[JScott]

Socialism:–noun
1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

Socialism | Define Socialism at Dictionary.com

<snip> the rest are talking points without linking between action and the definition of socialism

We will continue your education. Give us a definition of 'social democracy' and then make the links.

Oh, don't use Beck again, for he is no more reliable and objective than Olbermann. They are both the same coin, different sides. And, if you do, give the sources, not just the assertions.

Fuckin A...take a hike bubba...

Why in hell would you use Beck? Ill bet Tony Danza has an opinion too.

 

[Sallow]

Ahhh. So you expect OTHER people to pick up the slack.

Liberals are very generous. They'll give you the shirt off someone else's back.

Well essentially given I work for the private sector..and you work for the public sector..you've got my shirt.

How's it fit? Probably a little big.

You know what the difference between the military and Democrat vote-buying entitlement programs is?

The military earns their money.

Some do..some don't.

I've known plenty of slackers that were in the military.

Present company..excluded...of course.

IT is tough work no matter how you slice it.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Beck?

He's a self professed alcoholic and drug addict.

Not only that..he's got nothing on Elmer Gantry. Actually better..he can cry on cue.

so what...? the facts can speak for themselves....

 

[Sallow]

Beck?

He's a self professed alcoholic and drug addict.

Not only that..he's got nothing on Elmer Gantry. Actually better..he can cry on cue.

so what...? the facts can speak for themselves....

What facts?

Becks rantings don't count as facts.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Socialism:–noun
1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

Socialism | Define Socialism at Dictionary.com

<snip> the rest are talking points without linking between action and the definition of socialism

We will continue your education. Give us a definition of 'social democracy' and then make the links.

Oh, don't use Beck again, for he is no more reliable and objective than Olbermann. They are both the same coin, different sides. And, if you do, give the sources, not just the assertions.

Fuckin A...take a hike bubba...

Assertions are not evidence, eaglebeak, they are simply points.

You give a good definition of socialism, now try tying evidence (not talking points) to your assertions.

Also give a definition of social democracy.