More Americans want states to ignore federal courts

[SwimExpert]

Republicans are Americans.

That explains why so many of you Cinos pay homage to the flag of a foreign government of American traitors.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

The movement away from federalism and towards a much stronger centralized command & control is pretty clear.

Not what I would choose, but that's where we're headed.

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You've been headed there since we founded the place. One Nation eh?

I was going to ask why we have things like Congress and the Electoral College then, but looking back at prior conversations we've had, would it be fair to say that you would agree that they are superfluous?

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Funny thing, both are National even if the members are chosen locally. Central control right?

 

[occupied]

Scalia is an embarrassment to the supreme court and a lousy justice. He himself is doing more to undermine the court than anyone.

 

[Bfgrn]

Bleh, they made a lousy choice.

It is their choice to make...not yours.

Simple solution...If you don't agree with same sex marriage, don't marry someone from your sex.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

The queers are a minority, look what they have done. Of course with moon bat left loons jumping on the bandwagon it made their job easier

Yea, look what they have done. They have gained equal rights and protection under the law. A law that you and I have had since birth. And you and I are required to give up absolutely nothing.

Bleh, they made a lousy choice.

In Sassy's world equal rights are bad...

 

[Mac1958]

The movement away from federalism and towards a much stronger centralized command & control is pretty clear.

Not what I would choose, but that's where we're headed.

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You've been headed there since we founded the place. One Nation eh?

I was going to ask why we have things like Congress and the Electoral College then, but looking back at prior conversations we've had, would it be fair to say that you would agree that they are superfluous?

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Funny thing, both are National even if the members are chosen locally. Central control right?

But they (at least supposedly) represent their states and districts. You've mentioned a "benevolent dictator" in the past, would you like to see less power in the legislative and more of it focused in the executive?

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[PaintMyHouse]

The movement away from federalism and towards a much stronger centralized command & control is pretty clear.

Not what I would choose, but that's where we're headed.

.

You've been headed there since we founded the place. One Nation eh?

I was going to ask why we have things like Congress and the Electoral College then, but looking back at prior conversations we've had, would it be fair to say that you would agree that they are superfluous?

.

Funny thing, both are National even if the members are chosen locally. Central control right?

But they (at least supposedly) represent their states and districts. You've mentioned a "benevolent dictator" in the past, would you like to see less power in the legislative and more of it focused in the executive?

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I'd like to see shit get done. If you really need to get shit done a benevolent dictator is the way to go.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Bleh, they made a lousy choice.

It is their choice to make...not yours.

Simple solution...If you don't agree with same sex marriage, don't marry someone from your sex.

Bleh, they made a lousy choice.

It is their choice to make...not yours.

Simple solution...If you don't agree with same sex marriage, don't marry someone from your sex.

I've said all along let the queers be pretend married, I really don't care. But when they start trying to force it on people then I have a problem, keep it away from our children and out of our Church.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Ask that 33% if they're willing to apply that to gun laws.

 

[rightwinger]

This goes to Justice Scalia's dissent when he said "each decision...unabashedly not based on law the court moves one step closer to being reminded of it's impotence".

Pound Sand, Your Honor! More Americans Want States to Ignore Federal Courts

While dissenting from the recent Supreme Court decision rubber-stamping same-sex “marriage,” Justice Antonin Scalia warned his colleagues that with “each decision ... unabashedly based not on law” the Court moves “one step closer to being reminded of [its] impotence.” And a new poll shows that another such step has in fact been taken, with more Americans supporting the idea that states should have the right to ignore federal court rulings. WritesRasmussen Reports, “A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 33% of Likely U.S. Voters now believe that states should have the right to ignore federal court rulings if their elected officials [dis]agree with them. That’s up nine points from 24% when we first asked this question in February.Just over half (52%) disagree, down from 58% in the earlier survey. Fifteen percent (15%) are undecided.”

This shift is clearly influenced not just by Obergefell v. Hodges (the marriage ruling), but also a late June ObamaCare decision so contrary to the “Affordable Care Act’s” text that Justice Scalia lamented to the Court, “Words no longer have meaning.” Not surprisingly, there was an ideological divide among poll respondents.

Pound Sand Your Honor More Americans Want States to Ignore Federal Courts

More conservative hatred of the Constitution on the 4th of July

 

[Preacher]

Good to see this. Lets hope it turns into something more doable instead of just agreeing with a question. Electing a social conservative in 2016 might do it...dunno...especially one that wants to protect marriage through a constitutional amendment.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

This goes to Justice Scalia's dissent when he said "each decision...unabashedly not based on law the court moves one step closer to being reminded of it's impotence".

Pound Sand, Your Honor! More Americans Want States to Ignore Federal Courts

While dissenting from the recent Supreme Court decision rubber-stamping same-sex “marriage,” Justice Antonin Scalia warned his colleagues that with “each decision ... unabashedly based not on law” the Court moves “one step closer to being reminded of [its] impotence.” And a new poll shows that another such step has in fact been taken, with more Americans supporting the idea that states should have the right to ignore federal court rulings. WritesRasmussen Reports, “A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 33% of Likely U.S. Voters now believe that states should have the right to ignore federal court rulings if their elected officials [dis]agree with them. That’s up nine points from 24% when we first asked this question in February.Just over half (52%) disagree, down from 58% in the earlier survey. Fifteen percent (15%) are undecided.”

This shift is clearly influenced not just by Obergefell v. Hodges (the marriage ruling), but also a late June ObamaCare decision so contrary to the “Affordable Care Act’s” text that Justice Scalia lamented to the Court, “Words no longer have meaning.” Not surprisingly, there was an ideological divide among poll respondents.

Pound Sand Your Honor More Americans Want States to Ignore Federal Courts

More conservative hatred of the Constitution on the 4th of July

Reactionary hatred but they are Americans in name only, obviously.

 

[SwimExpert]

Scalia is an embarrassment to the supreme court and a lousy justice. He himself is doing more to undermine the court than anyone.

Scalia was not always as he is now. He's become completely unhinged. He's like an old man who's lost all care for propriety, and all sense of accountability. His written opinions no longer read as intelligent application of law. They are merely emotional tirades of legalese, otherwise vapid.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

...especially one that wants to protect marriage through a constitutional amendment.

Ain't gonna happen...

 

[rightwinger]

We saw the same reaction from conservatives after Brown vs Board of Education

 

[rightwinger]

Scalia is an embarrassment to the supreme court and a lousy justice. He himself is doing more to undermine the court than anyone.

Scalia was not always as he is now. He's become completely unhinged. He's like an old man who's lost all care for propriety, and all sense of accountability. His written opinions no longer read as intelligent application of law. They are merely emotional tirades of legalese, otherwise vapid.

Applesauce and jiggery-pokery

 

[Preacher]

This goes to Justice Scalia's dissent when he said "each decision...unabashedly not based on law the court moves one step closer to being reminded of it's impotence".

Pound Sand, Your Honor! More Americans Want States to Ignore Federal Courts

While dissenting from the recent Supreme Court decision rubber-stamping same-sex “marriage,” Justice Antonin Scalia warned his colleagues that with “each decision ... unabashedly based not on law” the Court moves “one step closer to being reminded of [its] impotence.” And a new poll shows that another such step has in fact been taken, with more Americans supporting the idea that states should have the right to ignore federal court rulings. WritesRasmussen Reports, “A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 33% of Likely U.S. Voters now believe that states should have the right to ignore federal court rulings if their elected officials [dis]agree with them. That’s up nine points from 24% when we first asked this question in February.Just over half (52%) disagree, down from 58% in the earlier survey. Fifteen percent (15%) are undecided.”

This shift is clearly influenced not just by Obergefell v. Hodges (the marriage ruling), but also a late June ObamaCare decision so contrary to the “Affordable Care Act’s” text that Justice Scalia lamented to the Court, “Words no longer have meaning.” Not surprisingly, there was an ideological divide among poll respondents.

Pound Sand Your Honor More Americans Want States to Ignore Federal Courts

More conservative hatred of the Constitution on the 4th of July

First note that this gratuitous judicial-review power — where courts’ rulings on law are considered to constrain all three branches of government — is not found in the Constitution. Rather, it was unilaterally declared by the Court itself in the 1803 Marbury v. Madison decision. In other words, Rasmussen’s supposition about the courts’ role does not align with constitutionalism.

But critics would say that this is putting it lightly. Justice Scalia wrote in his Obergefell dissent that the Court has actually become “a threat to American democracy.” And this just reflects what founder Thomas Jefferson warned when he said that if the Court was not reminded of its impotence, if it comes to be viewed as having ultimate-arbiter (judicial review) power, our Constitution will have become “a suicide pact.” As I wrote just last week:

Jefferson explained the problem with judicial review, writing, “For intending to establish three departments, co-ordinate and independent, that they might check and balance one another, it has given, according to this [judicial review] opinion, to one of them alone, the right to prescribe rules for the government of the others, and to that one too, which is unelected by, and independent of the nation.... The constitution, on this hypothesis, is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary, which they may twist, and shape into any form they please.”

Jefferson also pointed out, correctly, that “Our judges are as honest as other men and not more so. They have with others the same passions for party, for power, and the privilege of their corps.” …Judicial review is “a very dangerous doctrine indeed,” Jefferson warned in 1820, “and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy.”

Jefferson also wrote that nullification — states’ ignoring of federal dictates — is the “rightful remedy” for all central-government usurpation of states’ powers. Of course, this includes plainly unconstitutional rulings by oligarchic federal courts.

Guess Jefferson was just an unamerican SOB eh!?

 

[Freewill]

We saw the same reaction from conservatives after Brown vs Board of Education

Yeppers, Eisenhower was a liberal and Wallace a conservative, yeppers you nailed that one jake. Truth jake, truth, try it sometimes even if you don't like it, it is refreshing.

 

[Preacher]

We saw the same reaction from conservatives after Brown vs Board of Education

You mean the democratic party members....and of course SANE NORMAL people would be pissed when their children are forced into schools with ******* who have no interest in learning...as time has shown it was a waste of time and big big mistake. Test scores have gone down,gangs,crime,drugs have gone up and all non white schools for the most part of full of criminals.

 

[Freewill]

We saw the same reaction from conservatives after Brown vs Board of Education

You mean the democratic party members....and of course SANE NORMAL people would be pissed when their children are forced into schools with ******* who have no interest in learning...as time has shown it was a waste of time and big big mistake. Test scores have gone down,gangs,crime,drugs have gone up and all non white schools for the most part of full of criminals.

We saw it when Obama removed grants to poor black children in Washington so they had to go back to their predominately black schools.