Morality of Wealth Redistribution

[kaz]

when you "earn" your money by investing in companies that devalue your fellow humans to slave labor conditions, inhumane living conditions etc... you have only earned a select spot in hell as your world dies and flashes before your eyes and your last cry is 'my God, what have I done!" and we can change our mind but it can be too late.[/QUOTE]

Yes, Comrade, the bourgeoisie is oppressing the proletariat, who will arise and overthrow their masters!

Again, what's the problem with the word Marxist?

 

[JQPublic1]

C_Clayton

"For conservatives, therefore, the issue isn't so much one of 'morality,' but a lack of consistency and conviction."

Nonsense. Every Conservative I know is generous to a fault regarding the genuinely needy. The problem with liberals is that they want to maintain people in a lifestyle of dependency. It is a wrong desire. Dependency is soul destroying and results in pressures under which many families break down. There is NOTHING in any Conservative attitude that lacks conviction or consistency. By all means support the unemployed if needed UNTIL THEY FIND A JOB. Support the widows and orphans if they have no family to look after them. Assist those who are infirm and unable to provide for themselves.

But for the fools bludging on the system...stuff them!!

Greg

All ten of them?

 

[ShackledNation]

Like how the government subsidizes the oil companies? They receive money they didn't earn. Let's give that money back to the people who earned it: the taxpayers.

Stop having donor states give the taxpayer's money to states that receive it. In my state we give some of our hard earned tax dollars to other states, who haven't earned it.

Anybody who doesn't support these two things, isn't really serious about being against the redistribution of wealth.

HOW does gubmint subsidize Oil companies? Giving them TAX breaks to get the oil flowing? Producing revenue? Creating JOBS?

Tax breaks aren't giving them anything....but allowing them to KEEP their money to invest for commerce that affects the entire economy.

You Statists have alot to learn.

Giving some industries tax breaks while not giving the same breaks to others distorts competition and interferes with the market. I am all for lower taxes, but picking and choosing who gets lower taxes is not good policy.

 

[dnsmith35]

What's your opinion on the morality of taking money from those who earned it and giving it to people who haven't? Not talking about people who cannot earn their own money but rather those who choose not to. And can you recommend any books or writings on the subject?

Seems to me basic self worth is at least in part a reflection on your independence. Or at least contributing something, your own labor or time to your family or community. This country does not like freeloaders, and while there is a certain amount of leeway in tough times like we're in now, at some point opinions change.

So are we morally right to redistribute somebody else's wealth or deny people support in an effort to incentivize them to be more productive members of society?

yes. We have a right to re evalutate the worth and wealth of those you say "earned it" at any time as it has been through out history. Now whether we want to wait till this has to be done in a violent revolution, as has been typical redistribution method, or through a more common sense approach of creating a maximum wage or percentage of total earnings of companies, governments etc... is yet to be seen. I still don't understand the lack of historical perspective and knowledge you all seem to have lost and therefore keep repeating. Our vanity keeps telling us that we should be working for ourselves and some of our lack of self worth tells us to work for the major benefit of a few that have chosen to be "A" type personalities and conquers of all around them. This has always proven to be detrimental and totally destructive to our planet and species. Two steps forward and ten steps back. It's time we chose a better way. It's not like we have a choice. Sorry about that.

People earn money in different ways. The less wealthy toil at labor to feed their family. The most wealthy have worked to the point they need not work anymore. Wealth is then earned by investment. Most people earn what they get in one way or another and some do not produce sufficiently to earn their pittance.

when you "earn" your money by investing in companies that devalue your fellow humans to slave labor conditions, inhumane living conditions etc... you have only earned a select spot in hell as your world dies and flashes before your eyes and your last cry is 'my God, what have I done!" and we can change our mind but it can be too late.

That is bullshit. Even in the Bible "work to eat" is a good consideration.

The apostle Paul wrote in a letter to Christians:
“Brothers and sisters, keep away from Christians who are lazy. Such people do not live in the way that we taught you. We tell you to do this by the authority that the Lord Jesus Christ gives to us. You yourselves know very well that you should live as we did. We were not lazy when we were with you. We did not depend on any of you for our food without paying for it. No, we worked hard night and day. We earned what we needed. So we did not have to charge you anything at all. We did this, not because we do not have the right to expect such help. But we did it so as to be an example of how you should live. Because when we were with you, we gave you this rule: Whoever refuses to work should not eat."

"We say this because we hear that some among you are lazy. They talk about other people but do no work themselves. By the authority that we have in the Lord Jesus Christ, we urge them to work quietly. They must earn the money to buy their own food. But you, brothers and sisters, must never tire of doing good things.”

No one works for slave wages in the US. Many do work for less than others, but that is usually because of their choices, ranging from education to choices of a criminal nature.

No matter what we do with wages, there will always be divisions of wealth, and there will always be the least wealthy. We could raise the minimum wage by double today, and by a short time, those with doubled wages will once again be the least wealthy, if for no other reason the 4 quintiles above them want to maintain their standard of living. Only people with a total lack of economic understanding make comments such as yours.

Should we strive to improve the lot our the least of our brethren? Of course, we are honor bound to do that. But in the overall scheme of things that kind of help is fleeting and we "must continue to do good work" as their is no rest for the performance of good.

 

[dnsmith35]

C_Clayton

"For conservatives, therefore, the issue isn't so much one of 'morality,' but a lack of consistency and conviction."

Nonsense. Every Conservative I know is generous to a fault regarding the genuinely needy. The problem with liberals is that they want to maintain people in a lifestyle of dependency. It is a wrong desire. Dependency is soul destroying and results in pressures under which many families break down. There is NOTHING in any Conservative attitude that lacks conviction or consistency. By all means support the unemployed if needed UNTIL THEY FIND A JOB. Support the widows and orphans if they have no family to look after them. Assist those who are infirm and unable to provide for themselves.

But for the fools bludging on the system...stuff them!!

Greg

All ten of them?

If you believe that your ignorance knows no bounds. Sure, most of the people on welfare do really need the help, but I can count to 100 those in my small town alone who are capable of working and choose not to. That is what Greg is saying.

BTW Greg, nice to see you here.

 

[JQPublic1]

C_Clayton

"For conservatives, therefore, the issue isn't so much one of 'morality,' but a lack of consistency and conviction."

Nonsense. Every Conservative I know is generous to a fault regarding the genuinely needy. The problem with liberals is that they want to maintain people in a lifestyle of dependency. It is a wrong desire. Dependency is soul destroying and results in pressures under which many families break down. There is NOTHING in any Conservative attitude that lacks conviction or consistency. By all means support the unemployed if needed UNTIL THEY FIND A JOB. Support the widows and orphans if they have no family to look after them. Assist those who are infirm and unable to provide for themselves.

But for the fools bludging on the system...stuff them!!

Greg

All ten of them?

If you believe that your ignorance knows no bounds. Sure, most of the people on welfare do really need the help, but I can count to 100 those in my small town alone who are capable of working and choose not to. That is what Greg is saying.

BTW Greg, nice to see you here.

If Greg needs an interpreter surely he could have picked a better one than you! Who , but an idiot would expect a sensible response to such a bad anecdote as that you posted above?

Assumptions don't count for much around here...try posting a few facts next time!

 

[JQPublic1]

Like how the government subsidizes the oil companies? They receive money they didn't earn. Let's give that money back to the people who earned it: the taxpayers.

Stop having donor states give the taxpayer's money to states that receive it. In my state we give some of our hard earned tax dollars to other states, who haven't earned it.

Anybody who doesn't support these two things, isn't really serious about being against the redistribution of wealth.

HOW does gubmint subsidize Oil companies? Giving them TAX breaks to get the oil flowing? Producing revenue? Creating JOBS?

Tax breaks aren't giving them anything....but allowing them to KEEP their money to invest for commerce that affects the entire economy.

You Statists have alot to learn.

Giving some industries tax breaks while not giving the same breaks to others distorts competition and interferes with the market. I am all for lower taxes, but picking and choosing who gets lower taxes is not good policy.

Is there a working stiff out there passing for a “conservative” happy with
this?

Senate Republicans once again showed their stellar values by filibustering a bill that would have cut
corporate tax breaks for moving jobs overseas. That's right, Republicans are fighting to keep giving companies money to move jobs out of the United States:

 

[dnsmith35]

What's your opinion on the morality of taking money from those who earned it and giving it to people who haven't? Not talking about people who cannot earn their own money but rather those who choose not to. And can you recommend any books or writings on the subject?

Seems to me basic self worth is at least in part a reflection on your independence. Or at least contributing something, your own labor or time to your family or community. This country does not like freeloaders, and while there is a certain amount of leeway in tough times like we're in now, at some point opinions change.

So are we morally right to redistribute somebody else's wealth or deny people support in an effort to incentivize them to be more productive members of society?

yes. We have a right to re evalutate the worth and wealth of those you say "earned it" at any time as it has been through out history. Now whether we want to wait till this has to be done in a violent revolution, as has been typical redistribution method, or through a more common sense approach of creating a maximum wage or percentage of total earnings of companies, governments etc... is yet to be seen. I still don't understand the lack of historical perspective and knowledge you all seem to have lost and therefore keep repeating. Our vanity keeps telling us that we should be working for ourselves and some of our lack of self worth tells us to work for the major benefit of a few that have chosen to be "A" type personalities and conquers of all around them. This has always proven to be detrimental and totally destructive to our planet and species. Two steps forward and ten steps back. It's time we chose a better way. It's not like we have a choice. Sorry about that.

People earn money in different ways. The less wealthy toil at labor to feed their family. The most wealthy have worked to the point they need not work anymore. Wealth is then earned by investment. Most people earn what they get in one way or another and some do not produce sufficiently to earn their pittance.

when you "earn" your money by investing in companies that devalue your fellow humans to slave labor conditions, inhumane living conditions etc.

I have never seen or read about a bona fide situation as you describe, EXCEPT IN A SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST state in which everyone is poor but the commissar..

. you have only earned a select spot in hell as your world dies and flashes before your eyes and your last cry is 'my God, what have I done!" and we can change our mind but it can be too late.

More bull shit. I have done more for humanity than you have ever even dreamed about. I put my money and my self into it instead of spam a lot of words. Most people at the bottom of the chain are there because of their own choices, ranging from education to criminality. Human nature has put the squash on all of your dreams of self grandeur. I don't know why you are poor, but chances are, you did it to yourself.

 

[dnsmith35]

C_Clayton

"For conservatives, therefore, the issue isn't so much one of 'morality,' but a lack of consistency and conviction."

Nonsense. Every Conservative I know is generous to a fault regarding the genuinely needy. The problem with liberals is that they want to maintain people in a lifestyle of dependency. It is a wrong desire. Dependency is soul destroying and results in pressures under which many families break down. There is NOTHING in any Conservative attitude that lacks conviction or consistency. By all means support the unemployed if needed UNTIL THEY FIND A JOB. Support the widows and orphans if they have no family to look after them. Assist those who are infirm and unable to provide for themselves.

But for the fools bludging on the system...stuff them!!

Greg

All ten of them?

If you believe that your ignorance knows no bounds. Sure, most of the people on welfare do really need the help, but I can count to 100 those in my small town alone who are capable of working and choose not to. That is what Greg is saying.

BTW Greg, nice to see you here.

If Greg needs an interpreter surely he could have picked a better one than you! Who , but an idiot would expect a sensible response to such a bad anecdote as that you posted above?

Assumptions don't count for much around here...try posting a few facts next time!

Who but an absolute idiot would make a post like you just did.

 

[dnsmith35]

Like how the government subsidizes the oil companies? They receive money they didn't earn. Let's give that money back to the people who earned it: the taxpayers.

Stop having donor states give the taxpayer's money to states that receive it. In my state we give some of our hard earned tax dollars to other states, who haven't earned it.

Anybody who doesn't support these two things, isn't really serious about being against the redistribution of wealth.

HOW does gubmint subsidize Oil companies? Giving them TAX breaks to get the oil flowing? Producing revenue? Creating JOBS?

Tax breaks aren't giving them anything....but allowing them to KEEP their money to invest for commerce that affects the entire economy.

You Statists have alot to learn.

Giving some industries tax breaks while not giving the same breaks to others distorts competition and interferes with the market. I am all for lower taxes, but picking and choosing who gets lower taxes is not good policy.

There is only one way to accomplish that. Eliminate all corporate taxes and tax those who earn money from those companies.

 

[dnsmith35]

when you "earn" your money by investing in companies that devalue your fellow humans to slave labor conditions, inhumane living conditions etc... you have only earned a select spot in hell as your world dies and flashes before your eyes and your last cry is 'my God, what have I done!" and we can change our mind but it can be too late.

Yes, Comrade, the bourgeoisie is oppressing the proletariat, who will arise and overthrow their masters!
Again, what's the problem with the word Marxist?

Kaz, they know that all forms of Marxism.....Socialism and Communism have never succeeded and in the process to survive even for a little while they require an autocratic/dictatorial government. The only people who gain any wealth in those states are the commissars.

 

[kaz]

when you "earn" your money by investing in companies that devalue your fellow humans to slave labor conditions, inhumane living conditions etc... you have only earned a select spot in hell as your world dies and flashes before your eyes and your last cry is 'my God, what have I done!" and we can change our mind but it can be too late.

Yes, Comrade, the bourgeoisie is oppressing the proletariat, who will arise and overthrow their masters!

Again, what's the problem with the word Marxist?

Kaz, they know that all forms of Marxism.....Socialism and Communism have never succeeded and in the process to survive even for a little while they require an autocratic/dictatorial government. The only people who gain any wealth in those states are the commissars.

Agreed, can you fix your quote though?

 

[JQPublic1]

C_Clayton

"For conservatives, therefore, the issue isn't so much one of 'morality,' but a lack of consistency and conviction."

Nonsense. Every Conservative I know is generous to a fault regarding the genuinely needy. The problem with liberals is that they want to maintain people in a lifestyle of dependency. It is a wrong desire. Dependency is soul destroying and results in pressures under which many families break down. There is NOTHING in any Conservative attitude that lacks conviction or consistency. By all means support the unemployed if needed UNTIL THEY FIND A JOB. Support the widows and orphans if they have no family to look after them. Assist those who are infirm and unable to provide for themselves.

But for the fools bludging on the system...stuff them!!

Greg

All ten of them?

If you believe that your ignorance knows no bounds. Sure, most of the people on welfare do really need the help, but I can count to 100 those in my small town alone who are capable of working and choose not to. That is what Greg is saying.

BTW Greg, nice to see you here.

If Greg needs an interpreter surely he could have picked a better one than you! Who , but an idiot would expect a sensible response to such a bad anecdote as that you posted above?

Assumptions don't count for much around here...try posting a few facts next time!

Who but an absolute idiot would make a post like you just did.

Hey, chuckles, get your friend "greg" to respond to my query about his anecdote and STFU. You have nothing meaningful to say...Butt out, or stay on topic...moron!

 

[gtopa1]

C_Clayton

"For conservatives, therefore, the issue isn't so much one of 'morality,' but a lack of consistency and conviction."

Nonsense. Every Conservative I know is generous to a fault regarding the genuinely needy. The problem with liberals is that they want to maintain people in a lifestyle of dependency. It is a wrong desire. Dependency is soul destroying and results in pressures under which many families break down. There is NOTHING in any Conservative attitude that lacks conviction or consistency. By all means support the unemployed if needed UNTIL THEY FIND A JOB. Support the widows and orphans if they have no family to look after them. Assist those who are infirm and unable to provide for themselves.

But for the fools bludging on the system...stuff them!!

Greg

All ten of them?

If you believe that your ignorance knows no bounds. Sure, most of the people on welfare do really need the help, but I can count to 100 those in my small town alone who are capable of working and choose not to. That is what Greg is saying.

BTW Greg, nice to see you here.

If Greg needs an interpreter surely he could have picked a better one than you! Who , but an idiot would expect a sensible response to such a bad anecdote as that you posted above?

Assumptions don't count for much around here...try posting a few facts next time!

I grew up in a tourist mecca and I guarantee that the number of "dole bludgers" who funded their lifestyles with the public purse were legion. Add to their incomes by theft and drug dealing and you have a rotten little cess pit of blood suckers. "Not wanting to work" is NOT a reason to be getting taxpayer funds.

"“We know there are individuals who will purposely withhold or fabricate information to collect government benefits they are not entitled to receive”. Those are the words of the Office of the Inspector General from their hearing on “combating disability waste, fraud, and abuse”. The Senate conducted their own investigation which concluded that fully one quarter of all disability insurance claims decisions were flawed, improperly addressing “insufficient, contradictory, and incomplete evidence, thus increasing the chances of rewarding nondisabled persons.” The study also determined the Social Security Administration (SSA) failed to establish that claimants were properly screened to certify that they satisfied metrics in the Social Security Administration’s (SSA) medical “Listing of Impairments” to meet eligibility requirements that would qualify them for the DI program. The Inspector General’s office identified billions in fraud. The Senate study implies many billions more in abuses. Much of the ongoing program cheating comes from those who continue to collect disability payments but are stealthily employed on the side. Not surprisingly, some of the SSDI wounds are self-inflicted. The SSA loses hundreds of millions continuing to pay those who were honest and notified that they were returning to work. The agency is supposed to conduct CDR’s or Continuing Disability Reviews to check in and determine the status of the disabled. I know it surprises everyone that there is a huge backlog and SSA is severely understaffed in this area. Probably the biggest area of abuse is those who gingerly slip through the vetting net and shouldn’t be getting disability payments in the first place. The contrived complexity of the SSDI system has spawned a cottage industry of doctors and specialized legal teams to navigate the byzantine multi-tiered documentation process. While the integrity of most lawyers and doctors is beyond reproach there are a few bad apples that make their living gaming the system. Remember what your mother preached, “if at first you don’t succeed, try, try again”. This small nugget of wisdom pays off especially when applying for SSDI. Often applicants may be turned down on the first or second attempt to receive benefits. Many times it is only through a court hearing that cases get resolved. Per a study by D. Autor and M. Duggan as many as 40% of all disability awards comes through the appeals process. Some judges gain the reputation of never seeing a claim they didn’t like………never refusing anyone. They also found in one recent year the SSA paid out as much as half a billion dollars to claimants attorneys. It seems to me it is always in the best interest of the lawyer to take a case to trial; it’s a win for him/her no matter what the verdict."
Fraud And Disability Equal A Multibillion Dollar Black Hole For Taxpayers - Forbes


My comments are well founded. Yours are common among those who consider the "system" there to be rorted.

Greg

 

[dnsmith35]

C_Clayton

"For conservatives, therefore, the issue isn't so much one of 'morality,' but a lack of consistency and conviction."

Nonsense. Every Conservative I know is generous to a fault regarding the genuinely needy. The problem with liberals is that they want to maintain people in a lifestyle of dependency. It is a wrong desire. Dependency is soul destroying and results in pressures under which many families break down. There is NOTHING in any Conservative attitude that lacks conviction or consistency. By all means support the unemployed if needed UNTIL THEY FIND A JOB. Support the widows and orphans if they have no family to look after them. Assist those who are infirm and unable to provide for themselves.

But for the fools bludging on the system...stuff them!!

Greg

All ten of them?

If you believe that your ignorance knows no bounds. Sure, most of the people on welfare do really need the help, but I can count to 100 those in my small town alone who are capable of working and choose not to. That is what Greg is saying.

BTW Greg, nice to see you here.

If Greg needs an interpreter surely he could have picked a better one than you! Who , but an idiot would expect a sensible response to such a bad anecdote as that you posted above?

Assumptions don't count for much around here...try posting a few facts next time!

Who but an absolute idiot would make a post like you just did.

Hey, chuckles, get your friend "greg" to respond to my query about his anecdote and STFU. You have nothing meaningful to say...Butt out, or stay on topic...moron!

1. I have no control and don't want any control over Greg. He is his own man. Can't say that for you. All you know how to do is insult and repeat Marxist rhetoric. I have said more, and on point, in every post I have made than you have in all your combined. So stick your head up your excremental orifice where you ears don't flap.

 

[dnsmith35]

Like how the government subsidizes the oil companies? They receive money they didn't earn. Let's give that money back to the people who earned it: the taxpayers.

Stop having donor states give the taxpayer's money to states that receive it. In my state we give some of our hard earned tax dollars to other states, who haven't earned it.

Anybody who doesn't support these two things, isn't really serious about being against the redistribution of wealth.

HOW does gubmint subsidize Oil companies? Giving them TAX breaks to get the oil flowing? Producing revenue? Creating JOBS?

Tax breaks aren't giving them anything....but allowing them to KEEP their money to invest for commerce that affects the entire economy.

You Statists have alot to learn.

Giving some industries tax breaks while not giving the same breaks to others distorts competition and interferes with the market. I am all for lower taxes, but picking and choosing who gets lower taxes is not good policy.

Is there a working stiff out there passing for a “conservative” happy with
this?

Senate Republicans once again showed their stellar values by filibustering a bill that would have cut
corporate tax breaks for moving jobs overseas. That's right, Republicans are fighting to keep giving companies money to move jobs out of the United States:

When you quote the Daily Kos, the intelligent people on the board just laugh at you because they have nothing valid to say. The Guy who wrote that for the daily Kos likes to hear his sound bites but does not understand the reality.Offshoring creates as many U.S. jobs as it kills study says - The Washington Post "The researchers found that increasing offshore jobs by 1 percent is linked to a 1.72 percent increase in overall U.S. employment of native workers. Offshoring also tends to push native U.S. workers toward more complex jobs, while offshore workers tend to specialize in less-skilled employment."

Instead of believing bullcrap political rhetoric, why don't you read the studies made with empirical data? Or are you afraid you may learn something?

 

[dnsmith35]

C_Clayton

"For conservatives, therefore, the issue isn't so much one of 'morality,' but a lack of consistency and conviction."

Nonsense. Every Conservative I know is generous to a fault regarding the genuinely needy. The problem with liberals is that they want to maintain people in a lifestyle of dependency. It is a wrong desire. Dependency is soul destroying and results in pressures under which many families break down. There is NOTHING in any Conservative attitude that lacks conviction or consistency. By all means support the unemployed if needed UNTIL THEY FIND A JOB. Support the widows and orphans if they have no family to look after them. Assist those who are infirm and unable to provide for themselves.

But for the fools bludging on the system...stuff them!!

Greg

All ten of them?

If you believe that your ignorance knows no bounds. Sure, most of the people on welfare do really need the help, but I can count to 100 those in my small town alone who are capable of working and choose not to. That is what Greg is saying.

BTW Greg, nice to see you here.

If Greg needs an interpreter surely he could have picked a better one than you! Who , but an idiot would expect a sensible response to such a bad anecdote as that you posted above?

Assumptions don't count for much around here...try posting a few facts next time!

Who but an absolute idiot would make a post like you just did.

Hey, chuckles, get your friend "greg" to respond to my query about his anecdote and STFU. You have nothing meaningful to say...Butt out, or stay on topic...moron!

I always like to see the bullcrap Marxist rhetoric like you spew. It means you know nothing, and do nothing to improve your knowledge of reality. You and your Utopian ideas have always failed. I suspect it is your failure which drives you to want those who have some to give it to you.

 

[BluesLegend]

Giving some industries tax breaks while not giving the same breaks to others distorts competition and interferes with the market. I am all for lower taxes, but picking and choosing who gets lower taxes is not good policy.

Sorry to burst you're bubble but Exxon, Chevron, and ConocoPhillips paid the biggest portion of corporate income taxes to Uncle Sam from 2007 to 2012, over $289 billion dollars. That's just the income tax, Exxon paid another $67 billion in sales and other taxes last year alone.

 

[JQPublic1]

I always like to see the bullcrap Marxist rhetoric like you spew. It means you know nothing, and do nothing to improve your knowledge of reality. You and your Utopian ideas have always failed. I suspect it is your failure which drives you to want those who have some to give it to you.

What Marxist bullcrap have I spewed, phantom tracer? BTW, I am an American so, Marxism, communism,, conservatism and capitalism are all a part of my domestic experience. I am also a Christian so any leanings towards the first two ideologies spring from that. There is no failing there! I am also an entrepreneur capitalist pig like you...only less so. Materialism is your god...not mine!

 

[dnsmith35]

I always like to see the bullcrap Marxist rhetoric like you spew. It means you know nothing, and do nothing to improve your knowledge of reality. You and your Utopian ideas have always failed. I suspect it is your failure which drives you to want those who have some to give it to you.

What Marxist bullcrap have I spewed, phantom tracer? BTW, I am an American so, Marxism, communism,, conservatism and capitalism are all a part of my domestic experience. I am also a Christian so any leanings towards the first two ideologies spring from that. There is no failing there! I am also an entrepreneur capitalist pig like you...only less so. Materialism is your god...not mine!

The US has never experienced Marxism or Communism. Capitalism is the only economic system which creates prosperity for the country and the most of the people. Christianity does not support any political ideology. Christ does want us to take care of the least of our brethren, and we in the US only do a half ass job at that, and apparently the humans around them don't do much more on their own. But when Christ said that, HE WAS TALKING TO INDIVIDUALS, NOT CEASAR. Smart ass remark, "all ten of them" said a lot about you, and it reflected ignorance of reality.