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I understand the mentality.His T-shirt pretty much says it all: "F--- Islam." Some of the counterprotesters wore shirts that said, "Love Thy Neighbor."
Protests counterprotest outside Phoenix mosque - CNN.com
There is one little fact I want to draw your attention to. While protesters advocate pure hatred, counterprotesters preach for love and tolerance. I think it is easy to understand who is right and who is wrong in this situation. Hatred doesn't work and it never will. What do you think young Muslims, friendly to American society, will think about the United States after seeing these pictures and reading "F*** Islam" logos?
Freedom of Speech
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-Geaux
'Just because I can' is not an argument in a civilized society. What is true motivation for all these people? Hatred and inability to understand.
Don't you think that Muslims take their religious much more seriously than most present-day Christians do and, understanding that, Americans should pay some respect to their views. Muslims are already here and they are not going to leave the country. So why should we make our life harder by alienating them?
Oh...I think we all know why they don't.Didn't hear about thatExample: A woman is accused falsely of burning a Koran and is beaten to death in public. That's just one example of how to be killed by the "peaceful" religion. A woman is raped and if she doesn't have 5 male witnesses in her favor, she is stoned to death. Allahu Akbar!Yes.
I'm not a fan of Islam - as a matter of fact, I think it's too alien and too incompatible with Western culture and democracy to survive here in its mainstream form - and I believe that it poses a worldwide danger to the peace over the coming decades.
Yet - this is a level of provocation - based purely on hatred - that even an anti-Islamic type like me, is willing to say that this was just plain wrong.
An art-contest? No problem. Caricaturizing Uncle Mo? No problem.
But, right outside a place of worship? Nope. Encouraging the participants to 'come packing' (firearms)? Nope.
Kristallnacht Lite?
Makes us look as bad as the Muslim Brotherhood types stirring-up shit outside of Coptic churches in Egypt, and others in the Middle East who persecute Christians.
Just because we CAN do a thing does not mean that we SHOULD do a thing.
I know that same counter-argument has been used to try to slap down the original cartoon-contest some weeks ago, and I ignored the counter-argument then.
I don't really care.
The contest right outside a place of worship, coupled with the call to bring-along firearms, was, to my tiny little brain, taking it one or two notches too far.
Crossing a line that probably should not have been crossed.
Just because we CAN do a thing does not mean that we SHOULD do a thing.
Which - for my money - is what happened here.
What is the "mainstream form" of Islam for American Muslims? Please describe it.
What US State did it happen in?
One of the 57. Syria, Saudi Arabia or any of the 57 states. I don't remember which.
I still don't see your point
What does a peaceful Phoenix mosque have to do with the actions of terrorists 5000 miles away?
Why don't you hold your protest in Syria?
IMHO... holding the cartoon contest ANY place other than directly in front of a friggin' mosque would have been a 'better way'... there... that was easy enough, wasn't it?Everyone keeps talking about the "better way" to protest Islamic religious oppression, but no one ever has any actual ideas, all they have is criticism for those who are doing something.
IMHO... holding the cartoon contest ANY place other than directly in front of a friggin' mosque would have been a 'better way'... there... that was easy enough, wasn't it?Everyone keeps talking about the "better way" to protest Islamic religious oppression, but no one ever has any actual ideas, all they have is criticism for those who are doing something.
They tried that the first time,and it worked the first time.IMHO... holding the cartoon contest ANY place other than directly in front of a friggin' mosque would have been a 'better way'... there... that was easy enough, wasn't it?Everyone keeps talking about the "better way" to protest Islamic religious oppression, but no one ever has any actual ideas, all they have is criticism for those who are doing something.
They tried that the first time. One guy got shot and the two Islamic terrorists got killed. It doesn't matter where it's held.
“Phoenix (CNN)Protesters at Friday's "Freedom of Speech" rally”
The idiocy of this, of course, is that there's nothing to 'protest,' nothing to justify a 'rally,' as there are no 'free speech' issues in play.
Free speech concerns solely the relationship between government and those governed, not the relationship between and among private persons; one private person cannot 'violate' the free speech rights of another private person absent government involvement.
Just as idiotic is the 'protest' venue, where the only thing being 'protested' are Muslims peacefully worshiping in their mosque, having done nothing whatsoever to warrant a protest.
This clearly illustrates the ignorance, fear, stupidity, and hate of those with an unwarranted hostility toward Muslims, where as a consequence of their unwarranted hate they perceive being Muslim alone as a reason to 'protest.'
...ignorance, fear, stupidity, and hate of those with an unwarranted hostility toward Muslims
They tried that the first time,and it worked the first time.IMHO... holding the cartoon contest ANY place other than directly in front of a friggin' mosque would have been a 'better way'... there... that was easy enough, wasn't it?Everyone keeps talking about the "better way" to protest Islamic religious oppression, but no one ever has any actual ideas, all they have is criticism for those who are doing something.
They tried that the first time. One guy got shot and the two Islamic terrorists got killed. It doesn't matter where it's held.
The event made a substantive protest against the nature and excesses of Islam and its incompatibility with Western culture and society.
They got their message out, without risking casualties far higher than those incurred at a rented hall or auditorium.
It does, indeed, matter where it's held.
1. from a public safety perspective
2. from a public relations (image) perspective
3. from an effectiveness-of-message-delivery perspective
As to (3) (above) - when you conduct such an event in such a highly controversial matter, you draw attention to the NATURE of the event and its manifestations, and you draw attention AWAY FROM your main point - the incompatibility and excesses of Islam.
If you cannot distinguish those points and their importance, then your barrier(s) to such understanding are beyond my own poor ability to overcome or to remedy.
“Phoenix (CNN)Protesters at Friday's "Freedom of Speech" rally”
The idiocy of this, of course, is that there's nothing to 'protest,' nothing to justify a 'rally,' as there are no 'free speech' issues in play.
Free speech concerns solely the relationship between government and those governed, not the relationship between and among private persons; one private person cannot 'violate' the free speech rights of another private person absent government involvement.
Just as idiotic is the 'protest' venue, where the only thing being 'protested' are Muslims peacefully worshiping in their mosque, having done nothing whatsoever to warrant a protest.
This clearly illustrates the ignorance, fear, stupidity, and hate of those with an unwarranted hostility toward Muslims, where as a consequence of their unwarranted hate they perceive being Muslim alone as a reason to 'protest.'
“Phoenix (CNN)Protesters at Friday's "Freedom of Speech" rally”
The idiocy of this, of course, is that there's nothing to 'protest,' nothing to justify a 'rally,' as there are no 'free speech' issues in play.
Free speech concerns solely the relationship between government and those governed, not the relationship between and among private persons; one private person cannot 'violate' the free speech rights of another private person absent government involvement.
Just as idiotic is the 'protest' venue, where the only thing being 'protested' are Muslims peacefully worshiping in their mosque, having done nothing whatsoever to warrant a protest.
This clearly illustrates the ignorance, fear, stupidity, and hate of those with an unwarranted hostility toward Muslims, where as a consequence of their unwarranted hate they perceive being Muslim alone as a reason to 'protest.'
No----in fact the mosque at which the protest took place was the one which was frequented by the would be MURDERERS FOR ALLAH.
The objective of the criminals from that mosque was interference in the freedom of
expression of the people in Texas----IN THE NAME OF ISLAM.
It is not illogical to suppose that the criminal action of the would be murderers was based on the TEACHINGS OF THAT MOSQUE. It has not been so demonstrated but not illogical
to consider the very likely possibility. It happened to be fact---that hatred is taught in some mosques and persons who murder "for allah" are considered great heros. If a protestant church somewhere in the south preached segregation and support of the KKK---would you consider it wrong to protest that church?. I was invited to visit a mosque many decades ago------the HATE RANT DELIVERED INTO THE EARS OF CHILDREN that day -------left me so nauseated that I almost vomited on the carpet. It was long ago------about 45 years ago -----and walking distance from the site where the World Trade Center would later be built. Two muslims decided to commit murder in order to stamp on the civil rights of a bunch of people in Texas-----you expect no protest. ? you want to lick their shit?
Praise be Allah and his sidekick Muhamhead. May sex with their goats today be rewarding and parasite free.
His T-shirt pretty much says it all: "F--- Islam." Some of the counterprotesters wore shirts that said, "Love Thy Neighbor."
Protests counterprotest outside Phoenix mosque - CNN.com
There is one little fact I want to draw your attention to. While protesters advocate pure hatred, counterprotesters preach for love and tolerance. I think it is easy to understand who is right and who is wrong in this situation. Hatred doesn't work and it never will. What do you think young Muslims, friendly to American society, will think about the United States after seeing these pictures and reading "F*** Islam" logos?
Freedom of Speech
Next?
-Geaux
His T-shirt pretty much says it all: "F--- Islam." Some of the counterprotesters wore shirts that said, "Love Thy Neighbor."
Protests counterprotest outside Phoenix mosque - CNN.com
There is one little fact I want to draw your attention to. While protesters advocate pure hatred, counterprotesters preach for love and tolerance. I think it is easy to understand who is right and who is wrong in this situation. Hatred doesn't work and it never will. What do you think young Muslims, friendly to American society, will think about the United States after seeing these pictures and reading "F*** Islam" logos?
Freedom of Speech
Next?
-Geaux
Because you can, doesn't mean you should. Only those with no life and nothing else to do would engage in such childish behavior.
His T-shirt pretty much says it all: "F--- Islam." Some of the counterprotesters wore shirts that said, "Love Thy Neighbor."
Protests counterprotest outside Phoenix mosque - CNN.com
There is one little fact I want to draw your attention to. While protesters advocate pure hatred, counterprotesters preach for love and tolerance. I think it is easy to understand who is right and who is wrong in this situation. Hatred doesn't work and it never will. What do you think young Muslims, friendly to American society, will think about the United States after seeing these pictures and reading "F*** Islam" logos?
Freedom of Speech
Next?
-Geaux
Because you can, doesn't mean you should. Only those with no life and nothing else to do would engage in such childish behavior.
His T-shirt pretty much says it all: "F--- Islam." Some of the counterprotesters wore shirts that said, "Love Thy Neighbor."
Protests counterprotest outside Phoenix mosque - CNN.com
There is one little fact I want to draw your attention to. While protesters advocate pure hatred, counterprotesters preach for love and tolerance. I think it is easy to understand who is right and who is wrong in this situation. Hatred doesn't work and it never will. What do you think young Muslims, friendly to American society, will think about the United States after seeing these pictures and reading "F*** Islam" logos?
Freedom of Speech
Next?
-Geaux
Because you can, doesn't mean you should. Only those with no life and nothing else to do would engage in such childish behavior.
They can, so they did.
They should, so they did.
Just because you in your ignorance and limited vocabulary, call it childish, that doesn't mean it actually is childish.
His T-shirt pretty much says it all: "F--- Islam." Some of the counterprotesters wore shirts that said, "Love Thy Neighbor."
Protests counterprotest outside Phoenix mosque - CNN.com
There is one little fact I want to draw your attention to. While protesters advocate pure hatred, counterprotesters preach for love and tolerance. I think it is easy to understand who is right and who is wrong in this situation. Hatred doesn't work and it never will. What do you think young Muslims, friendly to American society, will think about the United States after seeing these pictures and reading "F*** Islam" logos?
Fully support the activity last night. Until we show how some Muslims are so irrational and prone to violence by deliberately provoking them we can never have an honest discussion about the lunacy of ALL religions.
If you react violently because some dare make fun of your imaginary friends GFY.
While the group in question may well be a bigoted hate-group, that doesn't take away from their point. Nor does it invalidate it. Islam is the only major reliigon right now where if you mock it, some tend to get violent. If we need to hold up why religion is screwed up and dangerous by poking Islam and mocking mighty Mo' so be it.
His T-shirt pretty much says it all: "F--- Islam." Some of the counterprotesters wore shirts that said, "Love Thy Neighbor."
Protests counterprotest outside Phoenix mosque - CNN.com
There is one little fact I want to draw your attention to. While protesters advocate pure hatred, counterprotesters preach for love and tolerance. I think it is easy to understand who is right and who is wrong in this situation. Hatred doesn't work and it never will. What do you think young Muslims, friendly to American society, will think about the United States after seeing these pictures and reading "F*** Islam" logos?
Freedom of Speech
Next?
-Geaux
Because you can, doesn't mean you should. Only those with no life and nothing else to do would engage in such childish behavior.
They can, so they did.
They should, so they did.
Just because you in your ignorance and limited vocabulary, call it childish, that doesn't mean it actually is childish.
why is anyone complaining?------it went well-----no violence. could not have been better
in summary-----two disgusting pigs tried to murder people and ended up dead in the gutter. A whole bunch of people went to the origin of the filth in order to express their displeasure PEACEFULLY-------and nothing bad happened ALL GOOD SO FAR
