Minutes ago, IAF retaliate on Gaza training camp

[Humanity]

What a crock of doo doo!!! A hate site is NOT a plausible reference...but it is all you have!! No-one is surprised, Jewhater!!

Greg

Your personal feelings towards a particular website don't mean jack shit, asshole.




Why would I hate Jews?

They were too far north in the prohibited zone. The did not hit the boat or anyone in it. They were trying to scare the boat to go back into the gaza fishing zone where they belonged.

as-sudaneyya is the northern shore area of gaza and the fishermen were north west of that. Out of the permitted fishing zone.

>>Israeli Navy Fires on Gaza Fishing Boats 20 December 2014Hamas denounces 'foolishness' of recent Israeli airstrikes The Israeli navy, on Saturday, again opened fire at Palestinian fishermen boats, this time along the As-Sudaneyya shore, northwest of the Gaza Strip.<<
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Your article proves nothing....

Moreover, had Israel carried out it's ceasefire agreement of expanding the fishing limits then there would be no doubts the fishermen were within the limits!

Israeli naval forces open fire at Gaza fishermen Maan News Agency

 

[Phoenall]

So because they cannot be targeted, then they do not count as an act of aggression? Epic FAIL.

That's not what I said. He keeps saying they "target" civilians in Israel. My point was these weapons cannot be targeted, because they have no guidance system. They are legally defined as "indiscriminate" weapons. Which makes them war crimes when used.

They do not count as aggression, because they are fired as "resistance" to the illegal and immoral occupation and blockade of Gaza. After Israel ends the occupation and blockade, then and only then, will the rockets be considered aggression.

The Iranian grad missiles can be targeted and they are used against Israeli children. The mortars and grenades can be targeted and they are used to target Isreali children. These are not acts of resistance they are war crimes and acts of terrorism. This is why the UN refuses to take any action when Israel retaliates to the rockets fired.

According to the P.A. which is the government of gaza it is not occupied and has not been since August 2005.

We will see what the ICJ says about hamas and its firing of rockets from civilian areas wont we, because that is not armed resistance either but a crime against humanity

 

[Humanity]

The Iranian grad missiles can be targeted and they are used against Israeli children. The mortars and grenades can be targeted and they are used to target Isreali children.

 

[Phoenall]

If a cuban ship came into a prohibited zone by Guantanamo it would be fired on. When Japanese fisherman get too close to russia they are fired on. When boats of any kind get too close to north korea they are fired on.

That's why I said they don't have that right any where but Israel. Israel has the right to defend their own coastland, they don't have the right limit Gaza's. Out past Gazan territorial waters is international waters. And Israel has no jurisdiction in either.

Israel and Gaza are in a state of war so when gaza boats get into prohibited waters they are fired on to scare them back into their own waters.

They are not in a state of war. Gaza is an area under occupation. That's not war.

Try reading maritime law alongside the Geneva conventions, UN charter and IHL and see just how wrong you are. Any nation can apprehend any vessel it believes is carrying out gun running and/or smuggling anywhere on the high seas. In this case the Egyptian authorities ask Israel to patrol their waters as well .

 

[Phoenall]

Of course they have the right.

You do not have the right to tell others what they can (and cannot) do on their own property.

Blockade is to keep gaza from shipping in weapons to use against Israel.

So they're not allowed to have weapons to defend themselves?

Blockade was and still is legal under the UN.

No it is not! The Palmer Report has been completely debunked. Why do you insist on using it?

When ships are that far north of gaza they are out of their designated zone.

Again, Israel has no jurisdiction in Gazan territorial waters.

Israel fired at the water to scare them back into their own zone.

Bullshit. They fired on them to harass and make their lives unbearable.

If gaza was not at war and actively firing on Israel, if they sat down and worked out some deal they would still only be limited to a small triangle of water. Egypt, Israel and Cyprus have everything around them. Gaza would have to have permission to enter their water to fish or travel.

They are not at war. Gaza is an area under the belligerent occupation of the IOF.

Other countries would shoot to kill not fire warning shots to scare the fishermen.

Other countries don't shoot at people FISHING!

Israel and gaza are in a state of war and gaza recently fired rocket at Israel.

Israel has broken the ceasefire agreement at least 94 times since August. One of them being the issue we are currently discussing.

How does not Israel know the "fishermen" were not trying to reach Israel for an attack or even capable of firing on the Israeli navy boat if it had gotten closer, like if Israel had tried to board the fishing boat?

Because they were FISHING!

Crossing the water like illegally entering Israel or shooting at Israel are acts of war.

They weren't in Israel, they were FISHING!

If I knew you were trying to kill me, I would not want you trespassing on my territory.

That still doesn't give you the right to tell me what to do on my own property. And playing into your metaphor, if I was trying to kill you, it would be for a reason. And that reason is because you murdered my family and took my property (figuratively speaking).

Israel scared them off, that was it's intent. It could have just blown the boat out of the water.

I don't see FISHING as being a threat to Israeli national security.

PS Gaza is not occupied. Parts of the WB are still under Israeli control. Israel left gaza.

No, Israel did not leave Gaza. If they did, why can't Gazan's leave?

and yes gaza and Israel are still in a state of war.

No they are not. You are not at war with a territory you occupy.

Gaza fired on Israel after months of it being quiet.

It wasn't quiet. Israel broke the ceasefire at least 94 times since August.

Gaza has not been willing to sit down and make a peace deal with Israel, it declares war in words, acts of violence and rocket attacks. There is not peace............yet.

As long as the occupation and blockade continue, there's nothing to talk about.

Legally certain people do have that right

Not if they also use them to engage in terrorist activity and use against children

The UN have not issued a declaration to the effect, so the blockade is legal. Even the ICJ have said it complies with International law.

Read maritime law regarding suspected smuggling

Like the US coastguard does when it finds a vessel in International waters that is smuggling drugs

They are at war and hamas declared that war when it fired rockets at Israel before the blockade went on.

You don't fish with cargo nets, you smuggle guns using cargo nets. Look at your video again.

Evidence from a non partisan source, or retract.

What evidence do you have as I can not see any fishing equipment on the boat, don't forget I live in a fishing area and I go fishing myself.

Not looking at the evidence on board the fishing boat.

But it gives the authorities the right to tell you what you can do, even in the USA.

Prove beyond reasonable doubt that they were fishing.

They can when hamas opens the crossing, So don't blame Isreal for what hamas does.

They are not occupying gaza and that is from the mouths of P.A. officials.

Read the UN charter and you will see that your JEW HATRED is clouding your judgement

 

[Phoenall]

What a crock of doo doo!!! A hate site is NOT a plausible reference...but it is all you have!! No-one is surprised, Jewhater!!

Greg

Your personal feelings towards a particular website don't mean jack shit, asshole.




Why would I hate Jews?

They were too far north in the prohibited zone. The did not hit the boat or anyone in it. They were trying to scare the boat to go back into the gaza fishing zone where they belonged.

as-sudaneyya is the northern shore area of gaza and the fishermen were north west of that. Out of the permitted fishing zone.

>>Israeli Navy Fires on Gaza Fishing Boats 20 December 2014Hamas denounces 'foolishness' of recent Israeli airstrikes The Israeli navy, on Saturday, again opened fire at Palestinian fishermen boats, this time along the As-Sudaneyya shore, northwest of the Gaza Strip.<<
News of the World news from all the world

Your article proves nothing....

Moreover, had Israel carried out it's ceasefire agreement of expanding the fishing limits then there would be no doubts the fishermen were within the limits!

Israeli naval forces open fire at Gaza fishermen Maan News Agency

If hamas had carried out its ceasefire agreement then Israel would have released the pressure, buit seeing as they cant help but be violent thugs they are now reaping what they have sown.

 

[Phoenall]

The Iranian grad missiles can be targeted and they are used against Israeli children. The mortars and grenades can be targeted and they are used to target Isreali children.

Like these

HAMAS Rockets

Hamas Rocket Arsenal - Business Insider

Hamas Powerful New Weapon Alters Strategic Calculations Along the Gaza Strip Fox News

 

[Humanity]

Your personal feelings towards a particular website don't mean jack shit, asshole.




Why would I hate Jews?

They were too far north in the prohibited zone. The did not hit the boat or anyone in it. They were trying to scare the boat to go back into the gaza fishing zone where they belonged.

as-sudaneyya is the northern shore area of gaza and the fishermen were north west of that. Out of the permitted fishing zone.

>>Israeli Navy Fires on Gaza Fishing Boats 20 December 2014Hamas denounces 'foolishness' of recent Israeli airstrikes The Israeli navy, on Saturday, again opened fire at Palestinian fishermen boats, this time along the As-Sudaneyya shore, northwest of the Gaza Strip.<<
News of the World news from all the world

Your article proves nothing....

Moreover, had Israel carried out it's ceasefire agreement of expanding the fishing limits then there would be no doubts the fishermen were within the limits!

Israeli naval forces open fire at Gaza fishermen Maan News Agency

If hamas had carried out its ceasefire agreement then Israel would have released the pressure, buit seeing as they cant help but be violent thugs they are now reaping what they have sown.

A question for you then Phoney....

The expansion of fishing boundaries was to be IMMEDIATE upon signing of the ceasefire agreement...

Why did this not happen?

 

[Phoenall]

They were too far north in the prohibited zone. The did not hit the boat or anyone in it. They were trying to scare the boat to go back into the gaza fishing zone where they belonged.

as-sudaneyya is the northern shore area of gaza and the fishermen were north west of that. Out of the permitted fishing zone.

>>Israeli Navy Fires on Gaza Fishing Boats 20 December 2014Hamas denounces 'foolishness' of recent Israeli airstrikes The Israeli navy, on Saturday, again opened fire at Palestinian fishermen boats, this time along the As-Sudaneyya shore, northwest of the Gaza Strip.<<
News of the World news from all the world

Your article proves nothing....

Moreover, had Israel carried out it's ceasefire agreement of expanding the fishing limits then there would be no doubts the fishermen were within the limits!

Israeli naval forces open fire at Gaza fishermen Maan News Agency

If hamas had carried out its ceasefire agreement then Israel would have released the pressure, buit seeing as they cant help but be violent thugs they are now reaping what they have sown.

A question for you then Phoney....

The expansion of fishing boundaries was to be IMMEDIATE upon signing of the ceasefire agreement...

Why did this not happen?

Because it wasn't was it, it was part of a phased introduction of easements and hamas cooperation. Seeing as hamas decided to withdraw their cooperation then Israel removed the easments other than humanitarian aid. And take a look at the video and when it was shot, you might find it was well before this summers skirmish with gaza.

 

[Humanity]

as-sudaneyya is the northern shore area of gaza and the fishermen were north west of that. Out of the permitted fishing zone.

>>Israeli Navy Fires on Gaza Fishing Boats 20 December 2014Hamas denounces 'foolishness' of recent Israeli airstrikes The Israeli navy, on Saturday, again opened fire at Palestinian fishermen boats, this time along the As-Sudaneyya shore, northwest of the Gaza Strip.<<
News of the World news from all the world

Your article proves nothing....

Moreover, had Israel carried out it's ceasefire agreement of expanding the fishing limits then there would be no doubts the fishermen were within the limits!

Israeli naval forces open fire at Gaza fishermen Maan News Agency

If hamas had carried out its ceasefire agreement then Israel would have released the pressure, buit seeing as they cant help but be violent thugs they are now reaping what they have sown.

A question for you then Phoney....

The expansion of fishing boundaries was to be IMMEDIATE upon signing of the ceasefire agreement...

Why did this not happen?

Because it wasn't was it, it was part of a phased introduction of easements and hamas cooperation. Seeing as hamas decided to withdraw their cooperation then Israel removed the easments other than humanitarian aid. And take a look at the video and when it was shot, you might find it was well before this summers skirmish with gaza.

No Phoney, it WAS to be an immediate step which never happened...

All of this Israel bleating about Hamas breaking the agreement... How about Israel actually implementing the agreement in the first place?

What s in the Gaza peace deal Reuters

 

[teddyearp]

It was all out murder. 80% of the casualties, were innocent civilians. And no, the rocket fire didn't instigate it. Netanfuckyou made up a lie about Hamas being responsible for the deaths of the 3 teens and then it was on.

Yes it is too bad that Hamas had so much of their military assets imbedded with citizens. Too ad that Hamas forced its civilians to ignore the Israeli warnings.

And I thought that a Hamas cleric did admit they were responsible for the deaths of the three teens. Even so, just blaming Hamas is justification for them to fire all those rockets into Israel?

 

[teddyearp]

So because they cannot be targeted, then they do not count as an act of aggression? Epic FAIL.

That's not what I said. He keeps saying they "target" civilians in Israel. My point was these weapons cannot be targeted, because they have no guidance system. They are legally defined as "indiscriminate" weapons. Which makes them war crimes when used.

They do not count as aggression, because they are fired as "resistance" to the illegal and immoral occupation and blockade of Gaza. After Israel ends the occupation and blockade, then and only then, will the rockets be considered aggression.

And now we have another pretzel maker. You do realize that what you posted is utter nonsense, do you not?

 

[Humanity]

The Iranian grad missiles can be targeted and they are used against Israeli children. The mortars and grenades can be targeted and they are used to target Isreali children.

Like these

HAMAS Rockets

Hamas Rocket Arsenal - Business Insider

Hamas Powerful New Weapon Alters Strategic Calculations Along the Gaza Strip Fox News

Nope, couldn't see ANY reference to the 'Israeli Child Guidance System' you suggest in any of your links!

 

[gtopa1]

The Iranian grad missiles can be targeted and they are used against Israeli children. The mortars and grenades can be targeted and they are used to target Isreali children.

Like these

HAMAS Rockets

Hamas Rocket Arsenal - Business Insider

Hamas Powerful New Weapon Alters Strategic Calculations Along the Gaza Strip Fox News

Nope, couldn't see ANY reference to the 'Israeli Child Guidance System' you suggest in any of your links!

Then Hamas can continue to eat Israeli lead!!

Greg

 

[aris2chat]

What a crock of doo doo!!! A hate site is NOT a plausible reference...but it is all you have!! No-one is surprised, Jewhater!!

Greg

Your personal feelings towards a particular website don't mean jack shit, asshole.




Why would I hate Jews?

They were too far north in the prohibited zone. The did not hit the boat or anyone in it. They were trying to scare the boat to go back into the gaza fishing zone where they belonged.

as-sudaneyya is the northern shore area of gaza and the fishermen were north west of that. Out of the permitted fishing zone.

>>Israeli Navy Fires on Gaza Fishing Boats 20 December 2014Hamas denounces 'foolishness' of recent Israeli airstrikes The Israeli navy, on Saturday, again opened fire at Palestinian fishermen boats, this time along the As-Sudaneyya shore, northwest of the Gaza Strip.<<
News of the World news from all the world

Your article proves nothing....

Moreover, had Israel carried out it's ceasefire agreement of expanding the fishing limits then there would be no doubts the fishermen were within the limits!

Israeli naval forces open fire at Gaza fishermen Maan News Agency

back in August the fishing zone was expanded. The fish zone doubled for gaza.

 

[Phoenall]

as-sudaneyya is the northern shore area of gaza and the fishermen were north west of that. Out of the permitted fishing zone.

>>Israeli Navy Fires on Gaza Fishing Boats 20 December 2014Hamas denounces 'foolishness' of recent Israeli airstrikes The Israeli navy, on Saturday, again opened fire at Palestinian fishermen boats, this time along the As-Sudaneyya shore, northwest of the Gaza Strip.<<
News of the World news from all the world

Your article proves nothing....

Moreover, had Israel carried out it's ceasefire agreement of expanding the fishing limits then there would be no doubts the fishermen were within the limits!

Israeli naval forces open fire at Gaza fishermen Maan News Agency

If hamas had carried out its ceasefire agreement then Israel would have released the pressure, buit seeing as they cant help but be violent thugs they are now reaping what they have sown.

A question for you then Phoney....

The expansion of fishing boundaries was to be IMMEDIATE upon signing of the ceasefire agreement...

Why did this not happen?

Because it wasn't was it, it was part of a phased introduction of easements and hamas cooperation. Seeing as hamas decided to withdraw their cooperation then Israel removed the easments other than humanitarian aid. And take a look at the video and when it was shot, you might find it was well before this summers skirmish with gaza.

No Phoney, it WAS to be an immediate step which never happened...

All of this Israel bleating about Hamas breaking the agreement... How about Israel actually implementing the agreement in the first place?

What s in the Gaza peace deal Reuters

Try again as the list is overwhelmed with "IFS". If hamas does this then Israel will do that. But the first requirement was breached within minutes of the ceasefire being agreed, and hamas are blaming Isreal for their own mistakes. Just as now the evidence is coming out of gaza that the building supplies are being diverted into rebuilding tunnels and not into rebuilding homes. So the supply has stopped and hamas are accusing Israel of breaching the agreement.

One day the world will open its eyes and see the Palestinian smoke and mirrors and then the fun will begin.

 

[aris2chat]

as-sudaneyya is the northern shore area of gaza and the fishermen were north west of that. Out of the permitted fishing zone.

>>Israeli Navy Fires on Gaza Fishing Boats 20 December 2014Hamas denounces 'foolishness' of recent Israeli airstrikes The Israeli navy, on Saturday, again opened fire at Palestinian fishermen boats, this time along the As-Sudaneyya shore, northwest of the Gaza Strip.<<
News of the World news from all the world

Your article proves nothing....

Moreover, had Israel carried out it's ceasefire agreement of expanding the fishing limits then there would be no doubts the fishermen were within the limits!

Israeli naval forces open fire at Gaza fishermen Maan News Agency

If hamas had carried out its ceasefire agreement then Israel would have released the pressure, buit seeing as they cant help but be violent thugs they are now reaping what they have sown.

A question for you then Phoney....

The expansion of fishing boundaries was to be IMMEDIATE upon signing of the ceasefire agreement...

Why did this not happen?

Because it wasn't was it, it was part of a phased introduction of easements and hamas cooperation. Seeing as hamas decided to withdraw their cooperation then Israel removed the easments other than humanitarian aid. And take a look at the video and when it was shot, you might find it was well before this summers skirmish with gaza.

The money by world groups pledged for the aid and reconstruction of gaza has not come through. That is not the fault of Israel. Israel has delivered tons of construction material to gaza. Gaza cement plant was operation till last week. The excuses and blame should be to hamas.

Beside construction dozens of trucks with gas, medical and other aid have been delivering supplies to gaza. Hamas action will likely limit those deliveries.
Egypt is not allowing supplies, they are only allowing palestinians to leave egypt and returning to gaza one day a month.

If that ends it is because hamas F$%^&* up................again

 

[Phoenall]

The Iranian grad missiles can be targeted and they are used against Israeli children. The mortars and grenades can be targeted and they are used to target Isreali children.

Like these

HAMAS Rockets

Hamas Rocket Arsenal - Business Insider

Hamas Powerful New Weapon Alters Strategic Calculations Along the Gaza Strip Fox News

Nope, couldn't see ANY reference to the 'Israeli Child Guidance System' you suggest in any of your links!

How about this which was much reported this summer

Stories From The Battlefield Hamas Tunnels Used To Target Israel s Kindergartens The Daily Caller

 

[gtopa1]

The Iranian grad missiles can be targeted and they are used against Israeli children. The mortars and grenades can be targeted and they are used to target Isreali children.

Like these

HAMAS Rockets

Hamas Rocket Arsenal - Business Insider

Hamas Powerful New Weapon Alters Strategic Calculations Along the Gaza Strip Fox News

Nope, couldn't see ANY reference to the 'Israeli Child Guidance System' you suggest in any of your links!

How about this which was much reported this summer

Stories From The Battlefield Hamas Tunnels Used To Target Israel s Kindergartens The Daily Caller

Sorry to have to say Phoenall that In-Humanity wants dead Jews..Hamas is only the latest in a long list of Jew Killing orgs that In-Humanity and his ilk have been rooting for over the years. When Hamas slides into history they will back ISIS or some other new death cult.

Greg

 

[Roudy]

Israel should just re occupy Gaza for a few years, and wipe the area clean of all Hamas animals. It might be expensive but worth it. I'm sure Egypt and a few Arab countries that have put Hamas on their terror list recently, would be willing to pitch in to place a new leadership in place.