Millions Of Electric Car Batteries Retiring By 2030, Are We Ready To Deal With What Could Be Ticking Time Bombs?

[Dagosa]

This is the stupidity to boycott. Nowhere in the report does the victim-scapegoat of such media bullshit find out if the battery was charging at the time of the fire:

Fatal fires serve as cautionary tale of dangers of lithium-ion batteries

Lithium-ion batteries were responsible for at least 220 fires in New York City last year.

news.yahoo.com

Screw these pimps. The technology to stop battery fires before they start exists now.

So you doing away with all your battery powered tools ?
NYC only had that many
Wonder how many fossil fuel fires they had

 

[Captain Caveman]

Dagosa are you one of those climate cultists?

 

[Captain Caveman]

Firefighters are concerned -

 

[Crick]

Firefighters are concerned -

Gas Vs Electric Accident and Fire Safety | NextBigFuture.com

There have been about 250 million cars in the US in most years from 2010 to 2022. The level has slowly increased to 280 million.

www.nextbigfuture.com

Rate for gasoline automobile fires in the US: 1529.9 per 100,000
Rate for EV fires in the US: 25.1 per 100,000

Gasoline automobiles in the US: 265,000,000
EVs in the US: 2,442,270

Number of gasoline automobile fires: 4,054,235
Number of EV fires: 613

 

[Captain Caveman]

Gas Vs Electric Accident and Fire Safety | NextBigFuture.com

There have been about 250 million cars in the US in most years from 2010 to 2022. The level has slowly increased to 280 million.

www.nextbigfuture.com

Rate for gasoline automobile fires in the US: 1529.9 per 100,000
Rate for EV fires in the US: 25.1 per 100,000

Gasoline automobiles in the US: 265,000,000
EVs in the US: 2,442,270

Number of gasoline automobile fires: 4,054,235
Number of EV fires: 613

That means those few EV's have used 30% of the water

 

[Crick]

That means those few EV's have used 30% of the water

That's 6,613 gasoline fires for every SINGLE EV fire. How fucking stupid are you?

 

[Captain Caveman]

That's 6,613 gasoline fires for every SINGLE EV fire. How fucking stupid are you?

You're the thick hunt. There's millions of more ICE vehicles you dim wit, and even if EV fires per 100,000 vehicles are less, they will consume MORE water to extinguish. And the same clowns are twinning about water. Go figure retard.

 

[Crick]

You're the thick hunt. There's millions of more ICE vehicles you dim wit, and even if EV fires per 100,000 vehicles are less, they will consume MORE water to extinguish. And the same clowns are twinning about water. Go figure retard.

As I stated above, gasoline fires: 1529.9 per 100,000 versus EV fires at 25.1 per 100,000. For an equal number of cars, that is 61 gasoline fires for every EV fire. EV fires are NOT consuming more water than gasoline fires. That you continue to argue this point is just another piece of evidence for your blithering ignorance or dishonesty or both.

 

[noonereal]

Millions Of Electric Car Batteries Retiring By 2030, Are We Ready To Deal With What Could Be Ticking Time Bombs?

Millions of Electric Car Batteries Retiring by 2030, Are We Ready To Deal With What Could Be Ticking Time Bombs?

www.theepochtimes.com

10 Sep 2022 ~~ By Autumn Spreadmann

The evolving landscape of lithium batteries is creating both contradictions and infrastructure hurdles that, according to some, need to be addressed sooner rather than later. A critical component of this is waste management.
More than 6 million electric vehicle (EV) battery packs will end up as scrap between now and 2030, and the recycling and reuse industries are racing to keep up. Some researchers project that recycling alone will be an over $12 billion industry by 2025.
U.S. President Joe Biden wants to make America a key player in the EV battery industry with a $3.1 billion spending package for automobile production to transition away from fossil fuels.
Much of this dream is pinned on a dusty stretch of soil in the Nevada high desert called Thacker Pass. It serves as the lynchpin in Biden’s push for increased domestic lithium production and more EV batteries. That’s because Thacker Pass is the largest hard rock lithium reserve in the United States.
Currently, China dominates the world’s EV battery production, with more than 80 percent of all units developed there.
Yet while Biden’s administration has its sights on the top spot for EV battery production, insiders are pointing out industry trapdoors.
~Snip~
Thacker Pass, Nev., has the largest hard rock lithium reserve in the United States. (Lithium Americas)
Due to the potentially dangerous chemistry of lithium-ion EV units, concrete solutions are needed before an avalanche of dead battery packs ends up sitting around and waiting for recycling like ticking time bombs.
Those working on the sales end of the EV revolution tend to squirm or offer vague generalities when queried about what will happen to all of the old batteries.
The notion is quickly lumped into the very broad category of recycling or second life applications without offering any planning details.
Second life applications are an option for EV batteries no longer fit to power cars, but are suitable for alternative uses like energy storage.
And while that’s a start, the ultimate question lingers: How can America effectively deal with millions of completely spent, defective, or recalled EV units?
For people who specialize in hazardous waste, handling lithium batteries is a serious subject.

A ‘Thermal Runaway’​

“The packing and logistics isn’t easy or cheap,” Thibodeau said.
Moreover, the batteries pose a significant fire hazard.
Tucked within the sprawling Chicago suburbs is the town of Morris, Illinois. Around midday on Jun. 29, 2021, the fire department received a call that a warehouse fire had broken out in a structure that many residents assumed was just an abandoned building. The call came from someone who claimed to be an employee for a company that was storing 200,000 pounds of batteries in the building, most of which were lithium.
Fire Chief Tracey Steffes told reporters that it was the first time his department had ever fought a lithium fire.
Mitigating traditional fires is done by using water or chemicals to cut off the supply of oxygen. However, lithium is unique in that it doesn’t require oxygen to burn. Once ignited, it creates what Thibodeau called a “thermal runaway,” which is incredibly challenging to control.

Commentary:
Not to worry, the EPA will pass revisions to 40 CFR Part 273 regarding disposal of Li batts that will raise the cost of disposal and the overall price of EV's and all products using Li Batts.
First off, the cars don't last as long as ICE vehicles, because it costs significant amounts to replace the battery after 80-100,000 miles. When the cars get older, they won't be worth replacing the batteries - the whole car will get junked early.
Secondly, no one has considered the cost and energy required to recycle or disposal of the batteries - that kills any efficiency gained over the life of the vehicle.
EV's are a disaster and anybody that has a jalf a brain and thinkslogically knows that.

No joke, Joe is the best President we had post WW2.
If he is not reelected, American deserves the snuffing of freedoms and greatness it will get.

 

[noonereal]

We're getting rid of piston engine cars ... and I can't for the life of me understand why you include jet engines here ... that's not an economical way to power passenger vehicles ... either way, the replacement is bicycles, skateboards and just simply walking ... do we as a species remember walking? ...

I can see you are not from NYC, the city know for it's inhabitants walking.

 

[Captain Caveman]

As I stated above, gasoline fires: 1529.9 per 100,000 versus EV fires at 25.1 per 100,000. For an equal number of cars, that is 61 gasoline fires for every EV fire. EV fires are NOT consuming more water than gasoline fires. That you continue to argue this point is just another piece of evidence for your blithering ignorance or dishonesty or both.

Sorry cupcake, you're using duff figures. What percentage of ICE fires were arson? How many due to accidents? Do you gullible think your figures are just "spontaneously" burst into flame fires?? Are you that stupid?

Drill down your figures and report back.

 

[Captain Caveman]

A new study has some surprising findings on car fires

A new analysis from an auto insurance company compared rates of fires among EVs, combustion-engine cars, and hybrids. These are the results.

www.popsci.com

The resulting analysis found that per 100,000 cars sold in each category, electric vehicles had the lowest number of fires. Hybrid vehicles had the highest risk ratio for fire, and traditional cars were in the middle.

At the moment, I believe that spontaneous fires are less likely to occur in electric vehicles than they do in conventional, diesel or petrol vehicles,” he says. “But the problem we have is that the data collection has been very patchy—and we don’t have sufficient data as of yet.”

Christensen, who advises rescue crews on how to respond to electric vehicles, has counterintuitive advice that he stresses is his personal opinion and not official policy: “Let the bloody thing burn,” he says. “As soon as one [battery] cell goes into thermal runaway, and it propagates, that vehicle is a write-off, so why risk your life?”

Reading past UK articles, data collected is from those fire departments that were bothered to reply and the stats don't differentiate between the cause of fire. One big issue raised was arson. So as more vehicles become electric, more electric vehicles will be subject to arson. Due to limited range, EV's are not driven as far and thus have less odds to crashing. Often the brake lines rupture brake fluid in and ICE vehicle on hot exhaust manifolds, and thus igniting.

And if you EV is beside your house, in your garage, in a high rise carpark, or under a road bridge; LET IT BURN is not ideal. But when you do put an EV fire out, lifting it onto the tow truck reignites the fire.

This is the future guys, bonfires on four wheels to "save" the planet". The planet needs saved from the crack head EV supporters.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Crick

10 Car Fire Statistics in the UK: 2024 Update | House Grail

While fatalities from car fires remain relatively low, there is still some risk. Read these updated statistics for more...

housegrail.com

A better background reading for you.

Read it and determine how ICE, HYBRID, and EV's catch fire.

Two things - you won't read it and you'll stick to your fudged figures.

 

[Crick]

Crick

10 Car Fire Statistics in the UK: 2024 Update | House Grail

While fatalities from car fires remain relatively low, there is still some risk. Read these updated statistics for more...

housegrail.com

A better background reading for you.

Read it and determine how ICE, HYBRID, and EV's catch fire.

Two things - you won't read it and you'll stick to your fudged figures.

You think that was a better article? Let's have a look

The 10 Car Fire Statistics in the UK​

1. Hybrid vehicles are more likely to catch fire than any other type of vehicle.
2. There are approximately 20,000 reported vehicle fires a year.
3. There are 500 casualties a year resulting from vehicle fires.
4. Electric cars are the most likely electric vehicle to catch fire.
5. London has seen more than 500 electric vehicle fires in the last 5 years.
6. The number of electric vehicle fires is rising dramatically.
7. Electric vehicles are more likely to catch fire than petrol and diesel.
8. 25% of scrapyard fires are caused by lithium-ion batteries.
9. More than half of reported car fires are started accidentally.
10. Arson and vandalism are the biggest cause of vehicle fires.

1) Hybrids are most likely to catch fire. This point has been in every articles I've seen, including the one to which I linked here.
2) Lovely. There were over 4 million in the US. This tells us nothing about EV vs ICE
3) Casualties. Again, nothing here about EV vs ICE
4) I assume they are comparing electric cars to electric trucks (?). Again, tells us nothing about EV vs ICE
5) 500 fires in London. Again, nothing about EV vs ICE
6) Rising dramatically. The number of electric vehicles is rising dramatically, so I am not surprised. But, again, nothing about EV vs ICE
7) Electric vehicles are more likely to catch fire than petrol or diesel. Now, given the numbers we have seen from multiple other studies, this is an astounding claim. Let's visit the link. It says "Although some reports suggest that electric car owners are less likely to experience a fire in their vehicles, at least one study that looks at figures from the Department for Trade suggests the opposite to be true. In this analysis of London figures, there is a 0.04% likelihood of a petrol or diesel car catching fire but a 0.1% incident rate with electric cars.". Well, that's a small sample, but it is grossly at variance with multiple other, much larger studies. We'd need to see more details about all the studies.
8) Scrapyard fires. Again, no bearing whatsoever on EV vs ICE fires.
9) More than half are accidents. No bearing on EV vs ICE fires.
10) Arson and vandalism biggest cause. Again, no bearing whatsoever on EV vs ICE.

So, I don't think much of this article. Why do you?

 

[Captain Caveman]

You think that was a better article? Let's have a look

The 10 Car Fire Statistics in the UK​

1. Hybrid vehicles are more likely to catch fire than any other type of vehicle.
2. There are approximately 20,000 reported vehicle fires a year.
3. There are 500 casualties a year resulting from vehicle fires.
4. Electric cars are the most likely electric vehicle to catch fire.
5. London has seen more than 500 electric vehicle fires in the last 5 years.
6. The number of electric vehicle fires is rising dramatically.
7. Electric vehicles are more likely to catch fire than petrol and diesel.
8. 25% of scrapyard fires are caused by lithium-ion batteries.
9. More than half of reported car fires are started accidentally.
10. Arson and vandalism are the biggest cause of vehicle fires.

1) Hybrids are most likely to catch fire. This point has been in every articles I've seen, including the one to which I linked here.
2) Lovely. There were over 4 million in the US. This tells us nothing about EV vs ICE
3) Casualties. Again, nothing here about EV vs ICE
4) I assume they are comparing electric cars to electric trucks (?). Again, tells us nothing about EV vs ICE
5) 500 fires in London. Again, nothing about EV vs ICE
6) Rising dramatically. The number of electric vehicles is rising dramatically, so I am not surprised. But, again, nothing about EV vs ICE
7) Electric vehicles are more likely to catch fire than petrol or diesel. Now, given the numbers we have seen from multiple other studies, this is an astounding claim. Let's visit the link. It says "Although some reports suggest that electric car owners are less likely to experience a fire in their vehicles, at least one study that looks at figures from the Department for Trade suggests the opposite to be true. In this analysis of London figures, there is a 0.04% likelihood of a petrol or diesel car catching fire but a 0.1% incident rate with electric cars.". Well, that's a small sample, but it is grossly at variance with multiple other, much larger studies. We'd need to see more details about all the studies.
8) Scrapyard fires. Again, no bearing whatsoever on EV vs ICE fires.
9) More than half are accidents. No bearing on EV vs ICE fires.
10) Arson and vandalism biggest cause. Again, no bearing whatsoever on EV vs ICE.

So, I don't think much of this article. Why do you?

Because it highlights how credulous you are with your stats.

 

[Crick]

Because it highlights how credulous you are with your stats.

I have had good reason. Until seeing your rather dubious article, every one of the multiple studies I had seen comparing fire risks had shown ICE vehicles to have an overwhelmingly higher risk of fire than EVs. I had not seen a single study that showed ICE vehicles to be safer. I have now seen a second study from a German auto club that claims EVs are more likely to catch fires. However, both this German study and the London study of yours are looking at tiny samples compared to the US government statistics.

I would characterize as credulous, anyone that took your article to be meaningful. For comparing the risk of fire, nine out of ten of the provided stats were completely useless.

 

[Captain Caveman]

What's involved in dealing with an EV fire, and how many are involved too -






Unbelievable. If a Health and Safety Risk Assessment was carried out on EV's, they would be banned.

 

[Crick]

What's involved in dealing with an EV fire, and how many are involved too -






Unbelievable. If a Health and Safety Risk Assessment was carried out on EV's, they would be banned.

Gasoline cars would be banned first.

 

[ding]

Gasoline cars would be banned first.

Doesn't controlling markets sound like something the atheistic communist regimes of the 20th century would have done?

 

[Crick]

Doesn't controlling markets sound like something the atheistic communist regimes of the 20th century would have done?

What atheistic communist regimes of the 20th century and no.