Millions Of Electric Car Batteries Retiring By 2030, Are We Ready To Deal With What Could Be Ticking Time Bombs?

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I don't get invested in this issue. .. So I can't say if this guy knows what he is talking about. . .

I trust you would be able to verify if this is BS or not. . .




If so, this seems outrageous.

I've done the math comparing the energy equivalence of the gasoline consumed in one day in America to the electricity consumed in one day in America and they are about the same. So we'd have to double our electrical generation and distribution system to fully replace ICE with EV's. I don't ever see that happening. Not so much for that reason but for other reasons. Although that's a pretty good reason too.

 

[badger2]

This is why you’ll never duplicated the charge capabilities of an automobile with an ebike or power tool Charger.

A built in charger in an EV prepares or conditions the battery for a charge by warming or cooling the battery to its ideal charging temps. It also keeps it in its ideal operation range.

This isn’t particular to lithium batteries, as some other battery types are subject to this condition.
NiMH batteries used by Toyota in northern climates are safer but have less density. Solid state batteries are also in the horizon within months.

Still, NONE is prone to fire at any rate approaching gasoline fires which are 11 times the EV rate. The yearly average for gasoline fires just at filling stations alone is over 4000 per year. Care to guess how many fires occur during charging at fast charge stations where batteries are most vulnerable ?

Lets see, one in the Netherlands in 2021, one in Germany in 2020…..At we close to 4000 in one year yet ?

As solid-state evolves, NiMH can be recycled, one method being spouted bed elutriation:

2022 Brazil

Recovery of valuable materials from spent NIMH batteries using spouted bed elutriation - PubMed

In recent years, a great increase in the generation of spent batteries occurred. Then, efficient recycling ways and correct disposal of hazardous wastes are necessary. An alternative to recover the valuable materials from spent NiMH batteries is the spouted bed elutriation. The aim of this study...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

'....high power capability, fast charge-discharge....however, high self-discharge rate....main parts are a cathode composed of nickel hydroxide, an anode made of hydrogen storage alloy, consisting of nickel, manganese, cobalt, aluminum and mischmetal (mainly of cerium, lanthanum, praseodymium and neodymium)....spouted bed elutriation provides materials which can be directly used in recycling industries.'

 

[Dagosa]

As solid-state evolves, NiMH can be recycled, one method being spouted bed elutriation:

2022 Brazil

Recovery of valuable materials from spent NIMH batteries using spouted bed elutriation - PubMed

In recent years, a great increase in the generation of spent batteries occurred. Then, efficient recycling ways and correct disposal of hazardous wastes are necessary. An alternative to recover the valuable materials from spent NiMH batteries is the spouted bed elutriation. The aim of this study...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

'....high power capability, fast charge-discharge....however, high self-discharge rate....main parts are a cathode composed of nickel hydroxide, an anode made of hydrogen storage alloy, consisting of nickel, manganese, cobalt, aluminum and mischmetal (mainly of cerium, lanthanum, praseodymium and neodymium)....spouted bed elutriation provides materials which can be directly used in recycling industries.'

Solid state batteries are the replacement of a liquid or gel electrolytes with solid material. Whether that be NMHi or lithium, either can be solid state. Lithium still has an advantage in energy density.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Don't charge your EV in your garage guys -

 

[Dagosa]

Don't charge your EV in your garage guys -

No, it means not to park your ICE car or store gasoline there, they are 100 times more likely to catch fire than EVs.
But keep whining about EV fires while you’ re just accepting that you’re 100times more likely to have a fire with gasoline cars.

 

[ding]

Don't charge your EV in your garage guys -

Always charge your EV in your ex-wife's garage.

 

[ding]

No, it means not to park your ICE car or store gasoline there, they are 100 times more likely to catch fire than EVs.
But keep whining about EV fires while you’ re just accepting that you’re 100times more likely to have a fire with gasoline cars.

But ICE command centers don't have a message announcement programmed in it to exit the vehicle immediately because it's on fire like EV command centers are programmed to do.

 

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Battery overheating, pull over as soon as possible.
Battery overheating, pull over immediately.
Your car is on fire, get out now.

 

[Dagosa]

Don't charge your EV in your garage guys -

By your reasoning, you shouldn’t fill up at a gas station either. 5000 gas filling station fires EVRY YEAR. And all he did was light a cigarette in his car after refueling as the fumes engulfed the car.

 

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99% of all EV fires are the owner's fault for buying an EV.
The other 1% were bought by someone else so they are to blame.

 

[Dagosa]

Don't charge your EV in your garage guys -

Oh, here’s a gas fire when the gasoline refueling truck ran into the station. These fires happen 5000 times a year !!!

 

[Freedomisneverfree]

Biden is a STUPID IDIOT! Put all those batteries in his back yard.

 

[Dagosa]

Don't charge your EV in your garage guys -

Guess what ? Forget about parking, you’re safer in an accident driving an EV.

 

[Dagosa]

Biden is a STUPID IDIOT! Put all those batteries in his back yard.

EVs save lives.

 

[Dagosa]

Biden is a STUPID IDIOT! Put all those batteries in his back yard.

Electric power tools instead of gasoline power tools saves lives.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Oh, here’s a gas fire when the gasoline refueling truck ran into the station. These fires happen 5000 times a year !!!

Don't even park an EV in your garage -




Even if it's a courtesy car. You've been warned.

 

[Dagosa]

Don't even park an EV in your garage -




Even if it's a courtesy car. You've been warned.

Trump supporter try’s to kill spider at gas station with lighter.

 

[Batcat]

Millions Of Electric Car Batteries Retiring By 2030, Are We Ready To Deal With What Could Be Ticking Time Bombs?

Millions of Electric Car Batteries Retiring by 2030, Are We Ready To Deal With What Could Be Ticking Time Bombs?

www.theepochtimes.com

10 Sep 2022 ~~ By Autumn Spreadmann

The evolving landscape of lithium batteries is creating both contradictions and infrastructure hurdles that, according to some, need to be addressed sooner rather than later. A critical component of this is waste management.
More than 6 million electric vehicle (EV) battery packs will end up as scrap between now and 2030, and the recycling and reuse industries are racing to keep up. Some researchers project that recycling alone will be an over $12 billion industry by 2025.
U.S. President Joe Biden wants to make America a key player in the EV battery industry with a $3.1 billion spending package for automobile production to transition away from fossil fuels.
Much of this dream is pinned on a dusty stretch of soil in the Nevada high desert called Thacker Pass. It serves as the lynchpin in Biden’s push for increased domestic lithium production and more EV batteries. That’s because Thacker Pass is the largest hard rock lithium reserve in the United States.
Currently, China dominates the world’s EV battery production, with more than 80 percent of all units developed there.
Yet while Biden’s administration has its sights on the top spot for EV battery production, insiders are pointing out industry trapdoors.
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Thacker Pass, Nev., has the largest hard rock lithium reserve in the United States. (Lithium Americas)
Due to the potentially dangerous chemistry of lithium-ion EV units, concrete solutions are needed before an avalanche of dead battery packs ends up sitting around and waiting for recycling like ticking time bombs.
Those working on the sales end of the EV revolution tend to squirm or offer vague generalities when queried about what will happen to all of the old batteries.
The notion is quickly lumped into the very broad category of recycling or second life applications without offering any planning details.
Second life applications are an option for EV batteries no longer fit to power cars, but are suitable for alternative uses like energy storage.
And while that’s a start, the ultimate question lingers: How can America effectively deal with millions of completely spent, defective, or recalled EV units?
For people who specialize in hazardous waste, handling lithium batteries is a serious subject.

A ‘Thermal Runaway’​

“The packing and logistics isn’t easy or cheap,” Thibodeau said.
Moreover, the batteries pose a significant fire hazard.
Tucked within the sprawling Chicago suburbs is the town of Morris, Illinois. Around midday on Jun. 29, 2021, the fire department received a call that a warehouse fire had broken out in a structure that many residents assumed was just an abandoned building. The call came from someone who claimed to be an employee for a company that was storing 200,000 pounds of batteries in the building, most of which were lithium.
Fire Chief Tracey Steffes told reporters that it was the first time his department had ever fought a lithium fire.
Mitigating traditional fires is done by using water or chemicals to cut off the supply of oxygen. However, lithium is unique in that it doesn’t require oxygen to burn. Once ignited, it creates what Thibodeau called a “thermal runaway,” which is incredibly challenging to control.

Commentary:
Not to worry, the EPA will pass revisions to 40 CFR Part 273 regarding disposal of Li batts that will raise the cost of disposal and the overall price of EV's and all products using Li Batts.
First off, the cars don't last as long as ICE vehicles, because it costs significant amounts to replace the battery after 80-100,000 miles. When the cars get older, they won't be worth replacing the batteries - the whole car will get junked early.
Secondly, no one has considered the cost and energy required to recycle or disposal of the batteries - that kills any efficiency gained over the life of the vehicle.
EV's are a disaster and anybody that has a jalf a brain and thinkslogically knows that.

The price of used gas powered cars will skyrocket in the near future.

The United States may end ujp like Cuba with lots of really old gas powered cars that are well maintained and some EVs owned by the rich.

Classic Cars and the Cubans That Keep Them Running

If you’re a classic car buff, Cuba is just about the greatest place on the planet.

www.anywhere.com

 

[Dagosa]

The price of used gas powered cars will skyrocket in the near future.

The United States may end ujp like Cuba with lots of really old gas powered cars that are well maintained and some EVs owned by the rich.

Classic Cars and the Cubans That Keep Them Running

If you’re a classic car buff, Cuba is just about the greatest place on the planet.

www.anywhere.com

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Only in Texas

 

[Dagosa]

Don't charge your EV in your garage guys -

But it’s fine by me for you Humpers to store and pour gasoline in your garage. After all, you’re 100 times more likely to have a gas fire than an EV fire.