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And rural America doesn't exist. Guess what, those inner city people are BLACK and brown lol and are heavily discriminated against by people like you. They're not going to vote for the party with all the racists. There are more whites on welfare, food stamps, etc etc than blacks duh. Subtract backs from the Dems- and there is no difference between white Dupes and white Dems. Proven facts.Humbug, dupe. GOP has just as many poor workers and pre-existing conditions people as Dems. The ones on welfare already got Medicaid everywhere...This is realty- how much Big Health and Big Pharma COST- now we have to go after cost. We the people IS the gov't. It's certainly not the Dems' fault it's a pander to the rich mess, dupe.
Commie Care was not created for "we the people" it was created for likely Democrat voters.
Utter bull. When Romney ran for President, there were some districts (like here in Cleveland) where he didn't even get on vote. Inner cities is where most of the poor live all vote Democrat.
He knows this.Humbug, dupe. GOP has just as many poor workers and pre-existing conditions people as Dems. The ones on welfare already got Medicaid everywhere...This is realty- how much Big Health and Big Pharma COST- now we have to go after cost. We the people IS the gov't. It's certainly not the Dems' fault it's a pander to the rich mess, dupe.
Commie Care was not created for "we the people" it was created for likely Democrat voters.
Utter bull. When Romney ran for President, there were some districts (like here in Cleveland) where he didn't even get on vote. Inner cities is where most of the poor live all vote Democrat.
so, if there is no difference between white dupes and white dems, are you admitting that any white person that is democrat has been duped? I tend to finally agree with you on something.And rural America doesn't exist. Guess what, those inner city people are BLACK and brown lol and are heavily discriminated against by people like you. They're not going to vote for the party with all the racists. There are more whites on welfare, food stamps, etc etc than blacks duh. Subtract backs from the Dems- and there is no difference between white Dupes and white Dems. Proven facts.Humbug, dupe. GOP has just as many poor workers and pre-existing conditions people as Dems. The ones on welfare already got Medicaid everywhere...This is realty- how much Big Health and Big Pharma COST- now we have to go after cost. We the people IS the gov't. It's certainly not the Dems' fault it's a pander to the rich mess, dupe.
Commie Care was not created for "we the people" it was created for likely Democrat voters.
Utter bull. When Romney ran for President, there were some districts (like here in Cleveland) where he didn't even get on vote. Inner cities is where most of the poor live all vote Democrat.
Blacks aren't liberals. They just know which party is full of racists who cut programs that help ALL the poor and unemployed get out of poverty.you dems are not just as self supporting. The majority of those sucking up welfare, or running around claiming that the rich dont pay their fair share (even though they pay millions to your thousands) are liberals.We Dems are just as self supporting as you dupes. The problem is you believe a giant pile of bs GOP propaganda, so you vote for a pile of crap. It's not a personal insult, it's a political insult. Read my book. It's THE big story of US politics the last 30 years.Little off subject but Im trying to help you out here.Intelligence and fairness and justice, dupe?BUT, polls show that 60% of America believes it is the responsibility of the US government to ensure that all Americans have health care coverage.
Isn't that the core of the question? Should people be able to vote for others to take care of them? Or, more broadly, what should "60% of America" be allowed to force on everyone else? Anything?
I know that the democrats are instructed to call people names, your talking point leaders tell you that people dont want to be called names and that they will agree with you just so you dont call them names, but here is the reality, It only serves to make you look like the bottom of the class at the special ed school for lower learning.
Signed,
Self supporting Dupe.
and I did not vote for a piece of shit, I would never vote for clintion. or obama, the two biggest pieces of shit this country has seen for many years, maybe in the countries history. The problem is that you are so wrapped up in what your masters tell you to think that you are unable to think for yourself anymore.
He knows this.Humbug, dupe. GOP has just as many poor workers and pre-existing conditions people as Dems. The ones on welfare already got Medicaid everywhere...This is realty- how much Big Health and Big Pharma COST- now we have to go after cost. We the people IS the gov't. It's certainly not the Dems' fault it's a pander to the rich mess, dupe.
Commie Care was not created for "we the people" it was created for likely Democrat voters.
Utter bull. When Romney ran for President, there were some districts (like here in Cleveland) where he didn't even get on vote. Inner cities is where most of the poor live all vote Democrat.
Ive noticed over time that when he is proven wrong and he knows it, he starts calling everyone a dupe.
I think in his mind the word dupe translates to an extremely intelligent person.
You crypto racists brought up the "inner city people" lol that make up the difference between Dupes and Dems.so, if there is no difference between white dupes and white dems, are you admitting that any white person that is democrat has been duped? I tend to finally agree with you on something.And rural America doesn't exist. Guess what, those inner city people are BLACK and brown lol and are heavily discriminated against by people like you. They're not going to vote for the party with all the racists. There are more whites on welfare, food stamps, etc etc than blacks duh. Subtract backs from the Dems- and there is no difference between white Dupes and white Dems. Proven facts.Humbug, dupe. GOP has just as many poor workers and pre-existing conditions people as Dems. The ones on welfare already got Medicaid everywhere...This is realty- how much Big Health and Big Pharma COST- now we have to go after cost. We the people IS the gov't. It's certainly not the Dems' fault it's a pander to the rich mess, dupe.
Commie Care was not created for "we the people" it was created for likely Democrat voters.
Utter bull. When Romney ran for President, there were some districts (like here in Cleveland) where he didn't even get on vote. Inner cities is where most of the poor live all vote Democrat.
but I dont think you got to the point in losing your argument yet to bring out the race card, you should have waited a bit.
Etc etc etc etc etc. Illegal votes, Obama's policies blah blah
White Dems and Dupes are the same as far as assistance goes. You're in the white party. Congrats, dupe. Meanwhile, your greedy idiot heroes have been robbing the nonrich and the country blind for 35 years. And YOU, dupe.republicans are lazy? thats pretty funny.Hilariously ironic, dupe. Example? That's not a prediction blocked by the mindless GOP, or just total bs that makes up the GOP fake news planet, please?and that is what the liberals are too stupid to understand.Ray's boss believed the GOP fear mongering....and stopped his health program.
Lots of companies did. Trust me, I work in industry and talk to people at different companies all day long. Because of Commie Care, it's spreading like cancer. The Democrats expected this to happen. You can find that information in the Federal Registry. Need a link, just ask. Before they started Commie Care, they estimated that up to 80% of employers would drop coverage for their employees. Then, all those people would have to buy insurance with after-tax money which would have been a huge windfall for the federal government. Last year they kept over a billion dollars in fines from people that didn't get coverage. The federal government is making out like bandits.
when the government says the ACA is going to save billions of dollars, they were not referring to the taxpayers saving any money. First off, the billions that are saved are not going to result in lower taxes, it will be used most likely for more programs to keep the unworthy alive and leaching off of society.
When the employer drops the health care contributions from the employees, the employer is not going to pass those savings on to the worker, that money is going to go to build the bottom line of the companies books.
All of the savings are for big business and government. The cost is going to just be transferred over to the workers, that big number that is spent on health care in the U.S is not going away, its still getting paid, but now we are going to be paying the same amount in taxes plus the added amount for the insurance.
Liberals prove every day that they are without a doubt the biggest idiots that have ever walked the face of the earth.
It's why I've always said if I were ever going to try and sell a bridge to somebody, I'd make sure it was a liberal, because they'll believe anything.
4 million illegals voted, Obama had 2 years of control, his policies cause this mess, this isn't Reaganism rolling on, Total Pub Propaganda BS: ACORN, Kenyan Muslim Marxist,Tides, Mosque, Death Panel, lose your doctor, huge costs, DEBT CRISIS, Obama Recession, stimulus failed, Barney Frank, Nazi Soros, Nazi socialists, Volt suqs, Iran making bomb etc etc.
I'm sorry- dupes are lovely people- but I can't take their lazy, ignorant, careless, stupid politics a minute longer. Sorry
I say cut off all public assistance then and lets really screw those lazy ass republicans. The dems should go for this. We can balance the budget just by taking public assistance away from all the republicans, oh, and that one democrat that is on public assistance somewhere in the mountains of Colorado.
The fact that you actually think what you do is proof that you are too lazy to research these things for yourself. Maybe we should start a new government agency, department of research, that way democrats will be able to have research available to them also.
And the Fairness doctrine, or maybe a media that cares about facts for a change...Intelligence and fairness and justice, dupe?BUT, polls show that 60% of America believes it is the responsibility of the US government to ensure that all Americans have health care coverage.
Isn't that the core of the question? Should people be able to vote for others to take care of them? Or, more broadly, what should "60% of America" be allowed to force on everyone else? Anything?
And how do you intend to determine what is intelligent, fair and just? Lemme guess, majority vote?
can you provide proof of this great number of blacks that have been lifted from poverty by the democrats?Blacks aren't liberals. They just know which party is full of racists who cut programs that help ALL the poor and unemployed get out of poverty.you dems are not just as self supporting. The majority of those sucking up welfare, or running around claiming that the rich dont pay their fair share (even though they pay millions to your thousands) are liberals.We Dems are just as self supporting as you dupes. The problem is you believe a giant pile of bs GOP propaganda, so you vote for a pile of crap. It's not a personal insult, it's a political insult. Read my book. It's THE big story of US politics the last 30 years.Little off subject but Im trying to help you out here.Intelligence and fairness and justice, dupe?Isn't that the core of the question? Should people be able to vote for others to take care of them? Or, more broadly, what should "60% of America" be allowed to force on everyone else? Anything?
I know that the democrats are instructed to call people names, your talking point leaders tell you that people dont want to be called names and that they will agree with you just so you dont call them names, but here is the reality, It only serves to make you look like the bottom of the class at the special ed school for lower learning.
Signed,
Self supporting Dupe.
and I did not vote for a piece of shit, I would never vote for clintion. or obama, the two biggest pieces of shit this country has seen for many years, maybe in the countries history. The problem is that you are so wrapped up in what your masters tell you to think that you are unable to think for yourself anymore.
the only people that have been robbing me are the lazy ass moochers that refuse to support themselves. If not for the rich, I most likely would not have a place to work and earn my living to start with.White Dems and Dupes are the same as far as assistance goes. You're in the white party. Congrats, dupe. Meanwhile, your greedy idiot heroes have been robbing the nonrich and the country blind for 35 years. And YOU, dupe.republicans are lazy? thats pretty funny.Hilariously ironic, dupe. Example? That's not a prediction blocked by the mindless GOP, or just total bs that makes up the GOP fake news planet, please?and that is what the liberals are too stupid to understand.Lots of companies did. Trust me, I work in industry and talk to people at different companies all day long. Because of Commie Care, it's spreading like cancer. The Democrats expected this to happen. You can find that information in the Federal Registry. Need a link, just ask. Before they started Commie Care, they estimated that up to 80% of employers would drop coverage for their employees. Then, all those people would have to buy insurance with after-tax money which would have been a huge windfall for the federal government. Last year they kept over a billion dollars in fines from people that didn't get coverage. The federal government is making out like bandits.
when the government says the ACA is going to save billions of dollars, they were not referring to the taxpayers saving any money. First off, the billions that are saved are not going to result in lower taxes, it will be used most likely for more programs to keep the unworthy alive and leaching off of society.
When the employer drops the health care contributions from the employees, the employer is not going to pass those savings on to the worker, that money is going to go to build the bottom line of the companies books.
All of the savings are for big business and government. The cost is going to just be transferred over to the workers, that big number that is spent on health care in the U.S is not going away, its still getting paid, but now we are going to be paying the same amount in taxes plus the added amount for the insurance.
Liberals prove every day that they are without a doubt the biggest idiots that have ever walked the face of the earth.
It's why I've always said if I were ever going to try and sell a bridge to somebody, I'd make sure it was a liberal, because they'll believe anything.
4 million illegals voted, Obama had 2 years of control, his policies cause this mess, this isn't Reaganism rolling on, Total Pub Propaganda BS: ACORN, Kenyan Muslim Marxist,Tides, Mosque, Death Panel, lose your doctor, huge costs, DEBT CRISIS, Obama Recession, stimulus failed, Barney Frank, Nazi Soros, Nazi socialists, Volt suqs, Iran making bomb etc etc.
I'm sorry- dupes are lovely people- but I can't take their lazy, ignorant, careless, stupid politics a minute longer. Sorry
I say cut off all public assistance then and lets really screw those lazy ass republicans. The dems should go for this. We can balance the budget just by taking public assistance away from all the republicans, oh, and that one democrat that is on public assistance somewhere in the mountains of Colorado.
The fact that you actually think what you do is proof that you are too lazy to research these things for yourself. Maybe we should start a new government agency, department of research, that way democrats will be able to have research available to them also.
. We'll get ready to be shocked, because things are gonna get better.Yup, great job saboging it and refusing to have anything to do with fixing problems. Great job- back to scams, cutoffs, and deaths...or shock me.Ray's boss believed the GOP fear mongering....and stopped his health program.I understand your concern over the mandate being removed before any consideration what it would do to the families that are being subsidized was taken in to consideration, I really do.No, again that isn't the question.I'm sure something will be worked out. But i never supported fining or 'penalizing' American Citizens in that way. It was Un-American. And i am truly grateful Trump recognized that and ended it.
Making a change without knowing the consequences of that change is NOT acceptable. And, even more so, as the topic is the health care coverage of American families.
Let's remember that even if the mandate HAD to be removed, the ramifications of that change should be known so that they can be mitigated in some other way.
That mandate was there for important reasons. Simply deleting it HAS to have ramifications that we should consider BEFORE they hit American families - without even so much as a WARNING!!
So, I want to know what this change will mean for American families.
And, the idea that congress would make that change without knowing what would happen is just not acceptable.
However, where was your concern when it came to what the mandate and the tripling of premiums to subsidize those families would do to the ones that suddenly without warning found themselves unable to afford insurance any more.
Did you have as much concern for those people?
As Ray in Cleveland, If I remember correctly, I believe he said that the ACA caused him to go without insurance for the first time in his working career, Where is your concern for him? or the millions of others like him that have made sure to carry coverage, that did show a level of personal responsibility. I guess now that he cant afford the new triple cost premiums, you would consider him a free loader?
Personally, I have compassion and concern for people like Ray, someone that has always worked hard to support himself and is family, that has not been a burden on society, that has not looked at my wallet as if the contents inside were somehow owed to him. He and those like him are the ones that I care about. Not the ones that expect everyone else to support them.
Lots of companies did. Trust me, I work in industry and talk to people at different companies all day long. Because of Commie Care, it's spreading like cancer. The Democrats expected this to happen. You can find that information in the Federal Registry. Need a link, just ask. Before they started Commie Care, they estimated that up to 80% of employers would drop coverage for their employees. Then, all those people would have to buy insurance with after-tax money which would have been a huge windfall for the federal government. Last year they kept over a billion dollars in fines from people that didn't get coverage. The federal government is making out like bandits.
. We'll get ready to be shocked, because things are gonna get better.Yup, great job saboging it and refusing to have anything to do with fixing problems. Great job- back to scams, cutoffs, and deaths...or shock me.Ray's boss believed the GOP fear mongering....and stopped his health program.I understand your concern over the mandate being removed before any consideration what it would do to the families that are being subsidized was taken in to consideration, I really do.No, again that isn't the question.
Making a change without knowing the consequences of that change is NOT acceptable. And, even more so, as the topic is the health care coverage of American families.
Let's remember that even if the mandate HAD to be removed, the ramifications of that change should be known so that they can be mitigated in some other way.
That mandate was there for important reasons. Simply deleting it HAS to have ramifications that we should consider BEFORE they hit American families - without even so much as a WARNING!!
So, I want to know what this change will mean for American families.
And, the idea that congress would make that change without knowing what would happen is just not acceptable.
However, where was your concern when it came to what the mandate and the tripling of premiums to subsidize those families would do to the ones that suddenly without warning found themselves unable to afford insurance any more.
Did you have as much concern for those people?
As Ray in Cleveland, If I remember correctly, I believe he said that the ACA caused him to go without insurance for the first time in his working career, Where is your concern for him? or the millions of others like him that have made sure to carry coverage, that did show a level of personal responsibility. I guess now that he cant afford the new triple cost premiums, you would consider him a free loader?
Personally, I have compassion and concern for people like Ray, someone that has always worked hard to support himself and is family, that has not been a burden on society, that has not looked at my wallet as if the contents inside were somehow owed to him. He and those like him are the ones that I care about. Not the ones that expect everyone else to support them.
Lots of companies did. Trust me, I work in industry and talk to people at different companies all day long. Because of Commie Care, it's spreading like cancer. The Democrats expected this to happen. You can find that information in the Federal Registry. Need a link, just ask. Before they started Commie Care, they estimated that up to 80% of employers would drop coverage for their employees. Then, all those people would have to buy insurance with after-tax money which would have been a huge windfall for the federal government. Last year they kept over a billion dollars in fines from people that didn't get coverage. The federal government is making out like bandits.
exactly what is a saboging? its hard to respond to a post if one has no idea of what something means.Yup, great job saboging it and refusing to have anything to do with fixing problems. Great job- back to scams, cutoffs, and deaths...or shock me.Ray's boss believed the GOP fear mongering....and stopped his health program.I understand your concern over the mandate being removed before any consideration what it would do to the families that are being subsidized was taken in to consideration, I really do.No, again that isn't the question.I'm sure something will be worked out. But i never supported fining or 'penalizing' American Citizens in that way. It was Un-American. And i am truly grateful Trump recognized that and ended it.
Making a change without knowing the consequences of that change is NOT acceptable. And, even more so, as the topic is the health care coverage of American families.
Let's remember that even if the mandate HAD to be removed, the ramifications of that change should be known so that they can be mitigated in some other way.
That mandate was there for important reasons. Simply deleting it HAS to have ramifications that we should consider BEFORE they hit American families - without even so much as a WARNING!!
So, I want to know what this change will mean for American families.
And, the idea that congress would make that change without knowing what would happen is just not acceptable.
However, where was your concern when it came to what the mandate and the tripling of premiums to subsidize those families would do to the ones that suddenly without warning found themselves unable to afford insurance any more.
Did you have as much concern for those people?
As Ray in Cleveland, If I remember correctly, I believe he said that the ACA caused him to go without insurance for the first time in his working career, Where is your concern for him? or the millions of others like him that have made sure to carry coverage, that did show a level of personal responsibility. I guess now that he cant afford the new triple cost premiums, you would consider him a free loader?
Personally, I have compassion and concern for people like Ray, someone that has always worked hard to support himself and is family, that has not been a burden on society, that has not looked at my wallet as if the contents inside were somehow owed to him. He and those like him are the ones that I care about. Not the ones that expect everyone else to support them.
Lots of companies did. Trust me, I work in industry and talk to people at different companies all day long. Because of Commie Care, it's spreading like cancer. The Democrats expected this to happen. You can find that information in the Federal Registry. Need a link, just ask. Before they started Commie Care, they estimated that up to 80% of employers would drop coverage for their employees. Then, all those people would have to buy insurance with after-tax money which would have been a huge windfall for the federal government. Last year they kept over a billion dollars in fines from people that didn't get coverage. The federal government is making out like bandits.
I also START by calling you dupes dupes too, dupe. It's the whole point of US politics the last 30 years...you're intelligent enough, just totally ignorant and misinformed at this point. Like most of the country. For example, a high % believes foreign aid is a big part of US spending (less than 1%) or ACA caused high costs, a wall will solve anything (SS ID CARD!!!!!) etc etc....He knows this.Humbug, dupe. GOP has just as many poor workers and pre-existing conditions people as Dems. The ones on welfare already got Medicaid everywhere...This is realty- how much Big Health and Big Pharma COST- now we have to go after cost. We the people IS the gov't. It's certainly not the Dems' fault it's a pander to the rich mess, dupe.
Commie Care was not created for "we the people" it was created for likely Democrat voters.
Utter bull. When Romney ran for President, there were some districts (like here in Cleveland) where he didn't even get on vote. Inner cities is where most of the poor live all vote Democrat.
Ive noticed over time that when he is proven wrong and he knows it, he starts calling everyone a dupe.
I think in his mind the word dupe translates to an extremely intelligent person.
Just like things improved under W LOL...don't say I didn't say so. " I know- a big tax cut for the rich!!". We'll get ready to be shocked, because things are gonna get better.Yup, great job saboging it and refusing to have anything to do with fixing problems. Great job- back to scams, cutoffs, and deaths...or shock me.Ray's boss believed the GOP fear mongering....and stopped his health program.I understand your concern over the mandate being removed before any consideration what it would do to the families that are being subsidized was taken in to consideration, I really do.
However, where was your concern when it came to what the mandate and the tripling of premiums to subsidize those families would do to the ones that suddenly without warning found themselves unable to afford insurance any more.
Did you have as much concern for those people?
As Ray in Cleveland, If I remember correctly, I believe he said that the ACA caused him to go without insurance for the first time in his working career, Where is your concern for him? or the millions of others like him that have made sure to carry coverage, that did show a level of personal responsibility. I guess now that he cant afford the new triple cost premiums, you would consider him a free loader?
Personally, I have compassion and concern for people like Ray, someone that has always worked hard to support himself and is family, that has not been a burden on society, that has not looked at my wallet as if the contents inside were somehow owed to him. He and those like him are the ones that I care about. Not the ones that expect everyone else to support them.
Lots of companies did. Trust me, I work in industry and talk to people at different companies all day long. Because of Commie Care, it's spreading like cancer. The Democrats expected this to happen. You can find that information in the Federal Registry. Need a link, just ask. Before they started Commie Care, they estimated that up to 80% of employers would drop coverage for their employees. Then, all those people would have to buy insurance with after-tax money which would have been a huge windfall for the federal government. Last year they kept over a billion dollars in fines from people that didn't get coverage. The federal government is making out like bandits.
He or she will never acknowledge it. Their still stuck in Obamabot-Defense Mode. You can't reason with them. So don't waste too much time trying.
I dont know why liberals keep pointing to W as if he was the republicans,, actually, I think he might have been the Republicans dream. But he was far from the conservatives dream. Trump is far from the conservatives dream but he will serve his purpose, and he will do it in the one term that he will be in office.Just like things improved under W LOL...don't say I didn't say so. " I know- a big tax cut for the rich!!". We'll get ready to be shocked, because things are gonna get better.Yup, great job saboging it and refusing to have anything to do with fixing problems. Great job- back to scams, cutoffs, and deaths...or shock me.Ray's boss believed the GOP fear mongering....and stopped his health program.
Lots of companies did. Trust me, I work in industry and talk to people at different companies all day long. Because of Commie Care, it's spreading like cancer. The Democrats expected this to happen. You can find that information in the Federal Registry. Need a link, just ask. Before they started Commie Care, they estimated that up to 80% of employers would drop coverage for their employees. Then, all those people would have to buy insurance with after-tax money which would have been a huge windfall for the federal government. Last year they kept over a billion dollars in fines from people that didn't get coverage. The federal government is making out like bandits.
He or she will never acknowledge it. Their still stuck in Obamabot-Defense Mode. You can't reason with them. So don't waste too much time trying.
Sabotaging. From throwing a wooden shoe (sabot, fr.) into the machinery.exactly what is a saboging? its hard to respond to a post if one has no idea of what something means.Yup, great job sabotaging it and refusing to have anything to do with fixing problems. Great job- back to scams, cutoffs, and deaths...or shock me.Ray's boss believed the GOP fear mongering....and stopped his health program.I understand your concern over the mandate being removed before any consideration what it would do to the families that are being subsidized was taken in to consideration, I really do.No, again that isn't the question.
Making a change without knowing the consequences of that change is NOT acceptable. And, even more so, as the topic is the health care coverage of American families.
Let's remember that even if the mandate HAD to be removed, the ramifications of that change should be known so that they can be mitigated in some other way.
That mandate was there for important reasons. Simply deleting it HAS to have ramifications that we should consider BEFORE they hit American families - without even so much as a WARNING!!
So, I want to know what this change will mean for American families.
And, the idea that congress would make that change without knowing what would happen is just not acceptable.
However, where was your concern when it came to what the mandate and the tripling of premiums to subsidize those families would do to the ones that suddenly without warning found themselves unable to afford insurance any more.
Did you have as much concern for those people?
As Ray in Cleveland, If I remember correctly, I believe he said that the ACA caused him to go without insurance for the first time in his working career, Where is your concern for him? or the millions of others like him that have made sure to carry coverage, that did show a level of personal responsibility. I guess now that he cant afford the new triple cost premiums, you would consider him a free loader?
Personally, I have compassion and concern for people like Ray, someone that has always worked hard to support himself and is family, that has not been a burden on society, that has not looked at my wallet as if the contents inside were somehow owed to him. He and those like him are the ones that I care about. Not the ones that expect everyone else to support them.
Lots of companies did. Trust me, I work in industry and talk to people at different companies all day long. Because of Commie Care, it's spreading like cancer. The Democrats expected this to happen. You can find that information in the Federal Registry. Need a link, just ask. Before they started Commie Care, they estimated that up to 80% of employers would drop coverage for their employees. Then, all those people would have to buy insurance with after-tax money which would have been a huge windfall for the federal government. Last year they kept over a billion dollars in fines from people that didn't get coverage. The federal government is making out like bandits.
Perhaps you are smarter than I am, you know words that I don't.
. Well to be fair, I work full time, and I have been working full time since I got out of school. Around 15 to 20 years ago the company supplied insurance programs began going crazy. Every 2 years they would come to us and say that we had to change insurance companies. So what we were doing was basically giving our money away for nothing. The policies became crap, and the rates kept going up, up, up, and up. Then we went for a time period where we weren't offered any insurance. All this bull crap began happening after Clinton signed that dam NAFTA trade deal it seemed, and after that companies started becoming less reliant or loyal to their American employees. Infact it seemed that after that the entire nation became highly unstable in many ways. Scams started to become common place, and trends of lying, cheating, and stealing also became common place. No one could be proud of anything America anymore, and it's why we are seeing the anarchy that we are seeing right now. The citizens don't trust anything anymore, and it's showing now big time. Rebellious little children this nations citizens have become now, and it's time to make America great again, but 1st the real culprits have to be identified, and reprogrammed.the greedy idiot rich that work vs your version of an upstanding deserving intelligent citizen that does nothing but sits on their ass waiting for handouts from those greedy rich?Cockroaches? Nice- Only ignorance and bigotry make such bs possible. Enjoy hell. FIX ACA with all these ideas. Whatever system we have, if we even have one, should be cooperated with and TINKERED with forever. Make it Trumpcare, no one cares if it works, but going back to the GOP scam "system" is a horror. Invest in America instead of giving it away to the greedy idiot rich like the last 30 years...me a dem? no, I just want things that I dont use to be taxed to pay for the ACA, I dont want to be forced to pay. I can quit smoking, and I would just to make sure none of my money went to keeping a cockroach alive.Any ideas like that should be ADDED to ACA, AND going after ridiculous costs. So you support tax on big sodas, limits? You are a Dem. lolOf course its going to cost those that get the subsidies more without the mandate. With a mandate in place that forces people to purchase insurance, companies are essentially allowed to charge the non subsidized individuals whatever it is they want/need to cover those that are getting subsidized. If you are forced to purchase, then the price is not something that you can argue.Hell no. Health care is way too expensive...It will cost plenty more without a mandate, but who? There is no plan.
If there is no mandate, those that would have to pay the outrageous premiums and out of pockets to cover the subsidies are free to find other means to cover their medical costs, or just go without out.
The subsidized are going to end up having to pay more than they currently do because there will not be enough people covering their 0 to 100.00 premiums.
In order to offset the subsidies, insurance companies are going to have to attract more people in the higher earning bracket to buy from them, this is going to have to be done through offering lower prices to attract more people.
The cost to the non subsidized payer is what prompted the fight against the ACA. for example, if lets say the ACA had passed and it meant that I would have had to pay 100.00 more a month in premium but my coverage and policy terms all stayed the same, I would have bitched about it, but I most likely would not have been so adamant about shutting the ACA down. However when my premiums would have doubled and my out of pocket would have gone up by 12,000 a year, there is no way that I could sit back and quietly pay the price.
As he always did, obama misread the peoples
I think it will cost the average non subsidized client less by not having a mandate. Insurance companies are going to have to have price wars to get enough people paying full price to offset those paying next to nothing.Hell no. Health care is way too expensive...It will cost plenty more without a mandate, but who? There is no plan.
The mandate allowed companies to charge whatever they wanted/needed.
I think the ACA should be covered with a tax on cigarettes (I smoke) junk foods and other lifestyle choices that are not generally associated with good health.
I hate to be cold but if someone refuses to better themselves and pay their own way, maybe it is for the good of society if they were to just get sick and die.
Society does not advance and evolution does not take place by keeping the weak and worthless in the gene pool.
You seriously have things backwards in your world.
How about this, how about the lazy go ahead and get a job, earn some money and pay for their own needs for a change.
Just like things improved under W LOL...don't say I didn't say so. " I know- a big tax cut for the rich!!". We'll get ready to be shocked, because things are gonna get better.Yup, great job saboging it and refusing to have anything to do with fixing problems. Great job- back to scams, cutoffs, and deaths...or shock me.Ray's boss believed the GOP fear mongering....and stopped his health program.
Lots of companies did. Trust me, I work in industry and talk to people at different companies all day long. Because of Commie Care, it's spreading like cancer. The Democrats expected this to happen. You can find that information in the Federal Registry. Need a link, just ask. Before they started Commie Care, they estimated that up to 80% of employers would drop coverage for their employees. Then, all those people would have to buy insurance with after-tax money which would have been a huge windfall for the federal government. Last year they kept over a billion dollars in fines from people that didn't get coverage. The federal government is making out like bandits.
He or she will never acknowledge it. Their still stuck in Obamabot-Defense Mode. You can't reason with them. So don't waste too much time trying.
And the Fairness doctrine, or maybe a media that cares about facts for a change...Intelligence and fairness and justice, dupe?BUT, polls show that 60% of America believes it is the responsibility of the US government to ensure that all Americans have health care coverage.
Isn't that the core of the question? Should people be able to vote for others to take care of them? Or, more broadly, what should "60% of America" be allowed to force on everyone else? Anything?
And how do you intend to determine what is intelligent, fair and just? Lemme guess, majority vote?
Fox and Rush and Heritage fake news took over the GOP. Trump is temporary, they'll be back- along with their establishment. If they ever left. We'll see.I dont know why liberals keep pointing to W as if he was the republicans,, actually, I think he might have been the Republicans dream. But he was far from the conservatives dream. Trump is far from the conservatives dream but he will serve his purpose, and he will do it in the one term that he will be in office.Just like things improved under W LOL...don't say I didn't say so. " I know- a big tax cut for the rich!!". We'll get ready to be shocked, because things are gonna get better.Yup, great job saboging it and refusing to have anything to do with fixing problems. Great job- back to scams, cutoffs, and deaths...or shock me.Lots of companies did. Trust me, I work in industry and talk to people at different companies all day long. Because of Commie Care, it's spreading like cancer. The Democrats expected this to happen. You can find that information in the Federal Registry. Need a link, just ask. Before they started Commie Care, they estimated that up to 80% of employers would drop coverage for their employees. Then, all those people would have to buy insurance with after-tax money which would have been a huge windfall for the federal government. Last year they kept over a billion dollars in fines from people that didn't get coverage. The federal government is making out like bandits.
He or she will never acknowledge it. Their still stuck in Obamabot-Defense Mode. You can't reason with them. So don't waste too much time trying.
I said before, the republican party is dead, they committed suicide, the conservatives are going to take over the party and bring it back to life. but the republicans as a organized party? gone, dead. Not wanted.
