Michael Moore: Know who you give your money to...

[Jimmyeatworld]

I came across this today and haven't seen it anywhere on the board. I'm sure everyone remembers Michael Moore insisting that his documentary/propoganda movie/Yahoo! message board post was not an endorsement of John Kerry. He also claimed that he was not registered with the Democratic party blah blah blah...Welllllll....

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0628041moore1.html

 

[007]

Originally posted by Merlin1047
Is this the same Michael Moore who has completed three "documentaries" that are a compendium of spliced video, dubbed-in audio, mis-quotes, outright fabrications, and comments taken out of context or edited to fit Moore's purposes?

He is referred to in the article you sourced as "champion of the little guy". Would this be the same Michael Moore who sicced the cops on a former employee who was following him with a megaphone in the same manner Moore had stalked the CEO of an automaker? (Apparently Moore felt that this type of conduct should not be permissible for plebians) Would this be the same Moore who referred to Mom and Pop small businesses as "Nazis" and believes that the average American is too stupid and too emotional to be allowed to own a weapon?

If you're going to present a viewpoint, perhaps you should do a little checking to make sure it's supportable. As it is, your support of Moore only serves to identify you as just another knee-jerk leftie whose opinions come straight out of the noxious swill served up by such highly credible sources as MoveOn.org.

 

[007]

Originally posted by NightTrain
Another truly heart-warming statement by MM is the one where he compares terrorists to American Revolutionary Minute Men.

Yep, he really does love America. A real patriot...

Michael Moore:
"The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not 'insurgents' or 'terrorists' or 'The Enemy.' They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow -- and they will win."

Christopher Hitchens on Moore:
"...speaking here in my capacity as a polished, sophisticated European as well, it seems to me the laugh here is on the polished, sophisticated Europeans. They think Americans are fat, vulgar, greedy, stupid, ambitious and ignorant and so on. And they‘ve taken as their own, as their representative American someone who actually embodies all of those qualities."


Thanks, Mikey.

 

[007]

You guys have employed your power of pervasive speach throught fact. As I have done posting links to many, many pages on the web PROVING MM is a damn LIAR!

The libs just simply IGNORE all this, like it was never true. Say's a whole damn lot about what the libs are about doesn't it?

 

[MrMarbles]

I'm a fan of Micheal Moore. He poses a view on american society, that alot of people don't like to see or hear. But no amount of covering your eyes, plugging your ears and humming star spangeld banner, is going to make it go away.

The 'lies' you guys tend to quote from him over the entire span of his career, are out of context.

I've seen the movie, i liked what it had to say. 'Liberal commie'? Sure, better that then a neo-con who would rather destroy the world then help out there fellow man.

 

[007]

Originally posted by MrMarbles
I'm a fan of Micheal Moore. He poses a view on american society, that alot of people don't like to see or hear. But no amount of covering your eyes, plugging your ears and humming star spangeld banner, is going to make it go away.

The 'lies' you guys tend to quote from him over the entire span of his career, are out of context.

I've seen the movie, i liked what it had to say. 'Liberal commie'? Sure, better that then a neo-con who would rather destroy the world then help out there fellow man.

Uh----oh.......... here it comes again.......

 

[insein]

Originally posted by MrMarbles
I'm a fan of Micheal Moore. He poses a view on american society, that alot of people don't like to see or hear. But no amount of covering your eyes, plugging your ears and humming star spangeld banner, is going to make it go away.

The 'lies' you guys tend to quote from him over the entire span of his career, are out of context.

I've seen the movie, i liked what it had to say. 'Liberal commie'? Sure, better that then a neo-con who would rather destroy the world then help out there fellow man.

How ironic that we are called neo-cons and are told that we are destroying the world when we are the only ones fighting to preserve it.

Communism doesn't work. It destroys the human spirit and allows monsters to come into power. Forced charity doesn't work. Want proof? Go look at the numbers of volunteer charity during Clinton's era where taxes were high. $182.09 billion per year average through Chruches and other non-profit orgs. During Bush's era where taxes were cut and people retained more of their earnings, $239.35 billion per year. 31.4% increase there huh. Yea we really suck at helping our fellow man since Evil Bush took office.

http://www.aafrc.org/press_releases/trustreleases/americansgive.html
http://www.blogsforbush.com/mt/archives/001334.html

 

[Annie]

Originally posted by insein
How ironic that we are called neo-cons and are told that we are destroying the world when we are the only ones fighting to preserve it.

Communism doesn't work. It destroys the human spirit and allows monsters to come into power. Forced charity doesn't work. Want proof? Go look at the numbers of volunteer charity during Clinton's era where taxes were high. $182.09 billion through Chruches and other non-profit orgs. During Bush's era where taxes were cut and people retained more of their earnings, $239.35 billion. 31.4% increase there huh. Yea we really suck at helping our fellow man since Evil Bush took office.

http://www.aafrc.org/press_releases/trustreleases/americansgive.html
http://www.blogsforbush.com/mt/archives/001334.html

 

[Avatar4321]

Originally posted by MrMarbles
I've seen the movie, i liked what it had to say. 'Liberal commie'? Sure, better that then a neo-con who would rather destroy the world then help out there fellow man.

Are you totally oblivious to the past 100 years of history? Communism also known as socialism and found being taught by many liberals has been responsible for the death of more people than Adolf Hitler.

Because of comunism we have Stalins purges, the killing fields of cambodia, we have cubans less than 100 miles from our nation fleeing for their lives to escape this menace. The whole nation of North Korea is starving because of communism.

If you were living on mars, in a cave, with your eyes shut and your ears closed, it still isnt that tough to realize that there is ntohing about communism that helps the world.

As has been shown, under conservative rule Charity double. And according to the statistics conservative states donate more money to good causes then liberal states.

Also, conservatives have shown how much we love freedom and how we are willing to die to liberate other nations. (Im talking as in the movement not individuals because im sure there are individuals who consider themselves liberal who would be right with us) We have liberated Aghanistan and Iraq and brought Kadafi under control somewhat in libya. can you name a President other than FDR/Truman or Reagan that can claim to have liberated two nations and convinced a hostile nation to back down?

Tell me, why on earth we should listen to anyone like Michael Moore? If his point of view was so strong he wouldnt have to make up facts. He would simply argue from the truth.

 

[MrMarbles]

Originally posted by Avatar4321
Are you totally oblivious to the past 100 years of history? Communism also known as socialism and found being taught by many liberals has been responsible for the death of more people than Adolf Hitler.

Because of comunism we have Stalins purges, the killing fields of cambodia, we have cubans less than 100 miles from our nation fleeing for their lives to escape this menace. The whole nation of North Korea is starving because of communism.

If you were living on mars, in a cave, with your eyes shut and your ears closed, it still isnt that tough to realize that there is ntohing about communism that helps the world.

As has been shown, under conservative rule Charity double. And according to the statistics conservative states donate more money to good causes then liberal states.

Also, conservatives have shown how much we love freedom and how we are willing to die to liberate other nations. (Im talking as in the movement not individuals because im sure there are individuals who consider themselves liberal who would be right with us) We have liberated Aghanistan and Iraq and brought Kadafi under control somewhat in libya. can you name a President other than FDR/Truman or Reagan that can claim to have liberated two nations and convinced a hostile nation to back down?

Tell me, why on earth we should listen to anyone like Michael Moore? If his point of view was so strong he wouldnt have to make up facts. He would simply argue from the truth.

I was referring to myself as a 'liberal commie', it was a joke. I'm able to make fun of myself, it is a defining grace. You should try it, everyone should try it, everyone should just lighten up, that would do a world of good.

 

[dilloduck]

I don't see you " lighten up " when YOUR country is villified. You just like to see America bashed---even if it's by a liar.

 

[MrMarbles]

Originally posted by dilloduck
I don't see you " lighten up " when YOUR country is villified. You just like to see America bashed---even if it's by a liar.

When it is villiefied, it's just called names, there is no substances, just 'f@ck canada!" for the sake of saying it. If there was a genuine argument, then i would accept it as an opposing view, if it was in good taste, I would let it go.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by MrMarbles
I was referring to myself as a 'liberal commie', it was a joke. I'm able to make fun of myself, it is a defining grace. You should try it, everyone should try it, everyone should just lighten up, that would do a world of good.

Do you always resort to self deprecating levity when you're losing arguments?

 

[dilloduck]

Originally posted by MrMarbles
When it is villiefied, it's just called names, there is no substances, just 'f@ck canada!" for the sake of saying it. If there was a genuine argument, then i would accept it as an opposing view, if it was in good taste, I would let it go.

And how about some rich, hypocritical, lying, fat, SOB saying that your countrymen are stupid idiots while he is vacationing in Europe with thier money? If you would let this go, you are one of those "sit on your ass " citizens. Glad you are in Canada.

 

[007]

Originally posted by MrMarbles
When it is villiefied, it's just called names, there is no substances, just 'f@ck canada!" for the sake of saying it. If there was a genuine argument, then i would accept it as an opposing view, if it was in good taste, I would let it go.

Maybe YOU should just try saying something that was worth reading in the first place, instead of spewing your liberal, head up your ass, garbage.

 

[MrMarbles]

Settle down guys......

The problem here is you call MM a liar. Yet none of you have produced real contridicting evidence to support yourselves. Have any of you even seen the movie? If not, don't quote second-hand knowledge. The last time you did that, you invaded Iraq.

Settle down guys.....

 

[Avatar4321]

Originally posted by MrMarbles
Settle down guys......

The problem here is you call MM a liar. Yet none of you have produced real contridicting evidence to support yourselves. Have any of you even seen the movie? If not, don't quote second-hand knowledge. The last time you did that, you invaded Iraq.

Settle down guys.....

Um are you blind. We have about 20 fricken threads documenting his lies and deceptions.

As for invading Iraq. Im glad Saddam and his sons are out of power. I dont know about you but i dont really like the idea of civilians being tortured, raped, and murdered in mass graves. Nor did i like the thought of Saddam giving WMDs to the terorrists to use against the US.

 

[MrMarbles]

Originally posted by Avatar4321
Um are you blind. We have about 20 fricken threads documenting his lies and deceptions.

As for invading Iraq. Im glad Saddam and his sons are out of power. I dont know about you but i dont really like the idea of civilians being tortured, raped, and murdered in mass graves. Nor did i like the thought of Saddam giving WMDs to the terorrists to use against the US.

Hows it changed?

 

[Jimmyeatworld]

Originally posted by MrMarbles
Settle down guys......

The problem here is you call MM a liar. Yet none of you have produced real contridicting evidence to support yourselves. Have any of you even seen the movie? If not, don't quote second-hand knowledge. The last time you did that, you invaded Iraq.

Settle down guys.....

I've seen the movie. No, Michael Moore won't be getting any of my money. Sometimes it's helpful to have friends in the right places .

The basic problem is that it isn't up to people to disprove his accusation, it's up to him to provide evidense to back up what he says. He doesn't do that. To top it off, sometimes not telling the whole truth is just as bad as a lie. I'm sure everyone has seen the clip of President Bush saying, "We must stop these terrorist killers. Now watch this drive", then he hits the golf ball. Moore presents that in a way that you think he's talking about Bin Laden or the 9/11 attack. Problem is, Bush isn't talking about Bin Laden, the 9/11 attack or anything to do with that. He was talking about a Palestinian attack on Israel.

Moore's credibility is thin, which is the only thing thin about him. He is a glowing example of the fact that if you have to twist the truth to support your stance, your stance is not very valid.

 

[Annie]

Moore could care less about accuracy, much less truth. Like the famous '7 minutes.' What the hell did you want the man, not a god, to do? He's the executive, the decisions and actions are down the chain, not to mention until the second hit, they had to make sure not some freak accident, while unlikely, not impossible.