Mexican Wall Question

[Asclepias]

Serious question.
Please only well thought out serious replies.
Why specifically is the Mexican government so adamantly opposed to the USA putting up a wall to prevent illegals from entering the country?

Because they consider the Southwest to be Mexican territory and are intent upon repatriating it by re-populating it with a majority of Mexicans. Research the Reconquista Movement.

100% spot on!
The corrupt mexican government elected officials along the US border have been running on and being elected by promising their 18th century peasants that one day all of the US SE will once again belong to mexico.

Picture the city of Dallas empty of all Whites. They've all left. The city now belongs to the mexicans.
In four months the city would be worse off than Detroit and that's saying something.

There was a time when there were no whites in the area now called Dallas and they were just fine. Its not like it would be something new.

 

[Markle]

Mexico loses $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

So does the US.

We need them as much as they need us.

I've explained this many times in the Immigration forum.

There will be no wall.

YES, we need them BUT we also need to control how many, who they are and if they have criminal records. A nation without borders is NOT a nation.

 

[Asclepias]

The idea of a wall has to be seen as an insult, and to be told that they will be forced to pay for it would be enough to piss anybody off.

Hard as it is for Progressives to believe, Mexico is not part of the United States.

How can it be seen as an insult? Do they NOT have a wall between themselves and Guatemala? Does Mexico care if they insult anyone from South of THEIR border?

What happens if an American illegally crosses into Mexico?

You conservatives are naive and mentally pliable. You believe anything as long as they show you a picture.

Border Disorder

"This photograph does not show a barbed wire border fence between Mexico and Guatemala. It's actually a barrier between Israel and Egypt."

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Serious question.
Please only well thought out serious replies.
Why specifically is the Mexican government so adamantly opposed to the USA putting up a wall to prevent illegals from entering the country?
It's obvious that the mexican government has failed for decades to make mexico a place where most mexicans want to live. Why so?
If for some reason millions of Canadians started crossing into the US illegally and the US government said "we must put a stop to it by building a wall" would the Canadian government be adamantly opposed to the wall?
If so why so?

The difference is the level of sophistication of the countries. Mexico is a poor nation, not including cartel involvement, whereas Canada is nearly equal to the U.S. There are high level professional positions just like there are in the U.S. either through technology or natural resources. Education opportunities abound in Canada and here, but not in Mexico. Mexican physicians and similar fields are almost all U.S. educated and trained, then they go back to Mexico to practice, earn a good living, and escape the IRS structure here. With Canada and the U.S. being on fairly equal footing from a societal perspective there'd be no reason to build a wall. If you are a Canadian citizen and you want to maintain that status and all that goes along with it, there are specific guidelines regarding how many days you can be here in the States. It's not like citizens fleeing poverty and the associated entrapments thereof are an issue between our two counties like they are with Mexico.

Wow. This isn't even close to being true.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Mexico loses $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

So does the US.

We need them as much as they need us.

I've explained this many times in the Immigration forum.

There will be no wall.

YES, we need them BUT we also need to control how many, who they are and if they have criminal records. A nation without borders is NOT a nation.

I've never said anything different.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Mexico loses $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

So does the US.

We need them as much as they need us.

I've explained this many times in the Immigration forum.

There will be no wall.

Because illegal immigration is legal slavery.
They do the hard work and get no rights.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Serious question.
Please only well thought out serious replies.
Why specifically is the Mexican government so adamantly opposed to the USA putting up a wall to prevent illegals from entering the country?
It's obvious that the mexican government has failed for decades to make mexico a place where most mexicans want to live. Why so?
If for some reason millions of Canadians started crossing into the US illegally and the US government said "we must put a stop to it by building a wall" would the Canadian government be adamantly opposed to the wall?
If so why so?

Please post a link to what the Mexican government has actually said.

You want a link to show the Mexican government opposes a wall/secure border????

Wow. Next you'll want a link to show the sun is bright and a link to prove the ocean is wet.

Show where I asked for "a link to show the Mexican government opposes a wall/secure border".

Or, learn to read.

Him: Posted a post saying Mexican government opposes a wall
You: Link it
Me: It's common sense bro....Mexico doesn't want a huge wall
You: I never asked for a link showing tbey wanted a wall
Me: Slacked jawed at trying to comprehend your level of retardedness

bucs90

Liar.

I never said anything like this.

Nor this - Show where I asked for "a link to show the Mexican government opposes a wall/secure border".


THIS is what I actually wrote -
Please post a link to what the Mexican government has actually said.

 

[dannyboys]

Serious question.
Please only well thought out serious replies.
Why specifically is the Mexican government so adamantly opposed to the USA putting up a wall to prevent illegals from entering the country?
It's obvious that the mexican government has failed for decades to make mexico a place where most mexicans want to live. Why so?
If for some reason millions of Canadians started crossing into the US illegally and the US government said "we must put a stop to it by building a wall" would the Canadian government be adamantly opposed to the wall?
If so why so?

Several reasons. First, its openly, xenophobically anti-mexican. And Mexico eats enough shit from the US for 3 countries.

Second, illegals are a huge industry in Mexico. In terms of economic impact, money sent by Mexican nationals in the US to mexico is second only to oil in the country and ahead of even tourism.

Third, walls make it much more likely that illegals will stay. And Mexico doesn't want to lose the citizens. They would much prefer the arrangement that they had with the US for most of the first half of the last century: seasonal migrant labor. Mexicans come to the US, work and go home. The more expensive, difficult and dangerous you make it to get into the US....the less likely Mexicans are to do that last part.

Fourth, because Trump insists that Mexico is going to pay for it. Which is just thuggish horseshit. If we want the wall, we're gonna pay for it. And build it on our own territory.

#1 I have no idea what you are talking about. Either do you.
#2 So any country ought to allow millions of illegals in so they can work for half of what legal citizens do the job for?

So the fucking mexican government has sunk so low it depends on its citizens committing illegal acts to prop up the economy? That's pretty pathetic. "Hey kids. You all need to go out a do some stealing because us parents can't survive without it" Ya fuckijng right?

What are you babbling about? Who said a thing about 'allowing millions of illegals'? We're discussing why Mexico would oppose a wall.

And Mexicans aren't stealing. They're working.

#3 You are so fucking dumb you are contradicting yourself within the same sentence!
Mexican LEGAL labor allowed into the US to pick crops are NOT the problem! It's the millions of mexicans who are totally illiterate, can't speak english, have zero skills who expect to be given free shit from the Makers in the US who are the problem.

See, shitstain......there's your dilemma. 60 years ago a Mexican family would drive across the border, work for a season and then go home. Then do it again the next year. They were migrant laborers. And their decision is an economic one.

As you ramped up border security and made it more difficult to go home and come back.....people don't go home. They stay. Which is why the illegal population in the US skyrocketed as we ramped up border security...increasing 4 fold as we 'secured our border'.

Creating a wall will make it more expensive to go home and come back. So they'll be even less likely to go home. As their decisions are still economic ones. They'll have to work longer just to cover the cost of the border crossing. And be far less likely to go home because they'd have to brave it all again.

It also feeds cartels hundreds of millions of dollars as they control the professional coyotes.

Its also traumatic and dangerous for the illegals. Its not uncommon for those who brave the trip to arrive in the US with PTSDs. Making it even less likely that they'd want to brave the trip again unless they had to. Thus increasing the likelyood that they stay.

Very simple question pal: So why did the government "ramp up" border security? This ought to be good.

You tell me. Its your argument. Just remember that our illegal population exploded as we ramped it up.

No. I asked you a reasonable question. You said the US border security was "ramped up". So why do think that happened?

 

[Markle]

The idea of a wall has to be seen as an insult, and to be told that they will be forced to pay for it would be enough to piss anybody off.

Then why does Mexico insult central and south America by having a harshly strict Southern border of its own? If you try to cross Mexicos Southern border they fuck you up.

But....libs never mention that.

What does that have to do with a dumb assed wall that won't work anyway?

How did the wall work between East and West Berlin? Does the FORTY FOOT WALL around the Vatican work? How about the one between North and South Korea?

Why are you adamantly opposed to controlling our immigration problem? Why are you opposed to us knowing who is coming into our country, why, where they are and if they have a criminal record? Specifically please.

 

[Asclepias]

Serious question.
Please only well thought out serious replies.
Why specifically is the Mexican government so adamantly opposed to the USA putting up a wall to prevent illegals from entering the country?
It's obvious that the mexican government has failed for decades to make mexico a place where most mexicans want to live. Why so?
If for some reason millions of Canadians started crossing into the US illegally and the US government said "we must put a stop to it by building a wall" would the Canadian government be adamantly opposed to the wall?
If so why so?

Please post a link to what the Mexican government has actually said.

You want a link to show the Mexican government opposes a wall/secure border????

Wow. Next you'll want a link to show the sun is bright and a link to prove the ocean is wet.

Show where I asked for "a link to show the Mexican government opposes a wall/secure border".

Or, learn to read.

Him: Posted a post saying Mexican government opposes a wall
You: Link it
Me: It's common sense bro....Mexico doesn't want a huge wall
You: I never asked for a link showing tbey wanted a wall
Me: Slacked jawed at trying to comprehend your level of retardedness

bucs90

Liar.

I never said anything like this.

Nor this - Show where I asked for "a link to show the Mexican government opposes a wall/secure border".


THIS is what I actually wrote -
Please post a link to what the Mexican government has actually said.

Buc always resorts to lying when he realizes he has been called out. Now he is hoping you forgot that you asked him to post a link to what the Mexican government actually said. That way he can stall and pretend he knows while you spend time defending yourself from his lie.

 

[dannyboys]

The 'Wall' around the White house is being raised six feet. Why?

 

[Fang]

Serious question.
Please only well thought out serious replies.
Why specifically is the Mexican government so adamantly opposed to the USA putting up a wall to prevent illegals from entering the country?
It's obvious that the mexican government has failed for decades to make mexico a place where most mexicans want to live. Why so?
If for some reason millions of Canadians started crossing into the US illegally and the US government said "we must put a stop to it by building a wall" would the Canadian government be adamantly opposed to the wall?
If so why so?

It's a great question. An even better question is why are Liberals opposed to it as well? The wall is about stopping ILLEGAL immigration, not legal immigration. It's about stopping drugs and violent criminals from crossing the border. It's about stopping those who ignore our laws from taking jobs from Americans. It's makes to much sense, which is probably why Liberals don't get it.

 

[Markle]

The idea of a wall has to be seen as an insult, and to be told that they will be forced to pay for it would be enough to piss anybody off.

Then why does Mexico insult central and south America by having a harshly strict Southern border of its own? If you try to cross Mexicos Southern border they fuck you up.

But....libs never mention that.

What does that have to do with a dumb assed wall that won't work anyway?

Seems to me that walls have worked everywhere in the world they have been used. Why won't it work here???

Or....are you saying the world's most powerful nation of all time....cant stop some poor peasants with shovels and ladders?

You're right. We definitely need a wall between the Carolinas.
Y'all are just fucked up.

Come back when you have something intelligent to post.

 

[Asclepias]

The 'Wall' around the White house is being raised six feet. Why?

Is the white house fence the same size as the one that would be required between the us and mexico? I thought a POTUS lived in the white house?

 

[Markle]

Serious question.
Please only well thought out serious replies.
Why specifically is the Mexican government so adamantly opposed to the USA putting up a wall to prevent illegals from entering the country?
It's obvious that the mexican government has failed for decades to make mexico a place where most mexicans want to live. Why so?
If for some reason millions of Canadians started crossing into the US illegally and the US government said "we must put a stop to it by building a wall" would the Canadian government be adamantly opposed to the wall?
If so why so?

Several reasons. First, its openly, xenophobically anti-mexican. And Mexico eats enough shit from the US for 3 countries.

Second, illegals are a huge industry in Mexico. In terms of economic impact, money sent by Mexican nationals in the US to mexico is second only to oil in the country and ahead of even tourism.

Third, walls make it much more likely that illegals will stay. And Mexico doesn't want to lose the citizens. They would much prefer the arrangement that they had with the US for most of the first half of the last century: seasonal migrant labor. Mexicans come to the US, work and go home. The more expensive, difficult and dangerous you make it to get into the US....the less likely Mexicans are to do that last part.

Fourth, it feeds the cartels. As the more difficult you make it, the more expensive it becomes. And the more professional coyotes charge. Meaning far more cash to criminal organizations. And they are already ludicrously powerful from all the drugs they sell a voracious US black market.

Fifth, it hurts their citizens. 60 years ago a mexican family could drive over the border, work for a season and come home. Now it costs thousands of dollars to a coyote, is dangerous, and often immensely traumatic. Its not uncommon for people who brave the trip to have PTSD's when they complete it.

Sixth, because Trump insists that Mexico is going to pay for it. Which is just thuggish horseshit. If we want the wall, we're gonna pay for it. And build it on our own territory.

You live in your own fantasy world don't you?

 

[Pogo]

The idea of a wall has to be seen as an insult, and to be told that they will be forced to pay for it would be enough to piss anybody off.

Then why does Mexico insult central and south America by having a harshly strict Southern border of its own? If you try to cross Mexicos Southern border they fuck you up.

But....libs never mention that.

What does that have to do with a dumb assed wall that won't work anyway?

How did the wall work between East and West Berlin? Does the FORTY FOOT WALL around the Vatican work? How about the one between North and South Korea?

Why are you adamantly opposed to controlling our immigration problem? Why are you opposed to us knowing who is coming into our country, why, where they are and if they have a criminal record? Specifically please.

Come back when you have something intelligent to post.

 

[Markle]

(1) The biggest reason is that it is an insult. It is a large physical manifestation of the fact that Mexico is so undesirable that a wall is needed to keep its citizens from leaving.

(2) The Mexican government LOVES the fact that millions of ethnic Mexicans are living in the U.S., regardless of whether they are here legally or not. The reason is because they send hundreds of millions of dollars (i.e., hard currency) back to Mexico, where it is a significant contributor to their moribund economy.

(3) Adding to the "insult" factor is Trump's "promise" to ensure that the Mexican government pays for the wall. While sketchy on the details, if Trump is able to even create the illusion that somehow the wall is paid for by either the Mexican government or by Mexican people, it will be a huge slap in the face of the whole country.

Trump's promise to complete the Wall and to make Mexico pay for it is total nonsense, intended to get a rise out of ignorant, working-class American white men who are gullible enough to believe it. When Trump first brought this up he was talking "out of his ass," knowing that he could promise anything because he would never be elected President.

Nothing has changed. He still has no chance of being elected, and a year from now he will STILL be able to say, "If only you had elected me, everything would be wonderful now, and tourists would be trekking to Arizona and Texas to see the wonderful new Wall I would have been building!"

I would refer you to the results of today's primary in Indiana.

Primary being the operative word.

For you to, at this point, continue to claim Trump "has no chance of being elected" is a bit 'previous' don't you think?

He polls poorly with the general electorate. 'No chance' is too strong. But a poor chance is pretty accurate. He's a very weak candidate with some of the highest disapproval ratings of any major candidate in polling history and surprisingly tepid support among republicans. 1 in 4 republicans indicate they would sooner vote for Hillary than Trump.

As you know, or should know, that scenario is changing as more and more people realize that Donald Trump will be the Republican nominee and Hillary Clinton is obviously a severely damaged candidate who has been pulled so far to the left as to be a virtual twin of Socialist Bernie Sanders.

 

[Asclepias]

Serious question.
Please only well thought out serious replies.
Why specifically is the Mexican government so adamantly opposed to the USA putting up a wall to prevent illegals from entering the country?
It's obvious that the mexican government has failed for decades to make mexico a place where most mexicans want to live. Why so?
If for some reason millions of Canadians started crossing into the US illegally and the US government said "we must put a stop to it by building a wall" would the Canadian government be adamantly opposed to the wall?
If so why so?

It's a great question. An even better question is why are Liberals opposed to it as well? The wall is about stopping ILLEGAL immigration, not legal immigration. It's about stopping drugs and violent criminals from crossing the border. It's about stopping those who ignore our laws from taking jobs from Americans. It's makes to much sense, which is probably why Liberals don't get it.

You sound very illiterate. Erecting some fence wont stop any of that. Let me guess. Trump supporter right?

 

[Weatherman2020]

The idea of a wall has to be seen as an insult, and to be told that they will be forced to pay for it would be enough to piss anybody off.

Then why does Mexico insult central and south America by having a harshly strict Southern border of its own? If you try to cross Mexicos Southern border they fuck you up.

But....libs never mention that.

What does that have to do with a dumb assed wall that won't work anyway?

Terrorism dropped 98% upon its completion.
Walls work. Just ask Obama who's raising the fence around the White House higher.

 

[BULLDOG]

The idea of a wall has to be seen as an insult, and to be told that they will be forced to pay for it would be enough to piss anybody off.

Then why does Mexico insult central and south America by having a harshly strict Southern border of its own? If you try to cross Mexicos Southern border they fuck you up.

But....libs never mention that.

What does that have to do with a dumb assed wall that won't work anyway?

How did the wall work between East and West Berlin? Does the FORTY FOOT WALL around the Vatican work? How about the one between North and South Korea?

Why are you adamantly opposed to controlling our immigration problem? Why are you opposed to us knowing who is coming into our country, why, where they are and if they have a criminal record? Specifically please.

I already gave specifics on the Berlin wall and the Great Wall of China, but generally, a wall is only effective in a highly populated area where delaying the crosser for 5 or 10 minutes makes a difference. Open areas,like the 2000 mile border between Mexico and the US would be nothing more than an inconvenience. It won't do what you want.