Methane worse than CO2

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    With all the hoopla about CO2 and the pending disastrous for the economy legislation that will be crammed down our throats to curb CO2 emissions, it seems we are ignoring a larger more easily remedied piece of the puzzle.

    Robert Watson And Mohamed El-Ashry:A Fast, Cheap Way to Cool the Planet - WSJ.com

    Any guesses a to why our oh so smart government is ignoring this option?

    The answer is simple.

    Methane reduction can be done quickly cheaply and actually create a profit for private citizens while having a measurable effect on climate in the short run where as CO2 legislation requires higher taxes and more government agencies to exert more controls on the population and would take many decades of higher taxes and government control to see any results..
     
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    You spoiled an otherwise really interesting thread with this little burst of laughable paranoia at the end.

    Honestly - you really do believe your scheming, evil government is bent on destroying your life, don't you?

    In the real world, a lot is being done to reduce methane emissions - to the extent that I know of at least one government who have researched ways of stopping farm animals from farting. And that is also a partial answer to your question - a lot of methane is released by animals, and at the moment we know of no way of stopping that.

    I know the use of industrial methane is under review here in Europe because of climate change, as I imagine it is in the US, too, although in general the US seems to be around 10 - 15 years behind on this.
     
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    You may trust your government and give your jug eared horse faced future king blow jobs but I have absolutely no faith in our politicians or our government to do anything right.

    The answer is not more government but less.

    but the so called progressives don't think that way their answer is more government more taxes and less freedom
     
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    There is a huge difference between not believing everything a government does or not having blind faith in them - and believing they are so stupid that a 16 year old high school drop out knows more about climate change than the government does. (Example only - I don't mean you!) That's insane.

    Like the government or hate them, they have access to genuinely expert advice, and most governments utilise that expertise.

    What you might do is look at what other governments are doing around the world, and you'll find most are also pursuing CO2 policy first and most, with methane policy active, but definitely a secondary consideration.

    Why is that?

    btw, I have no idea why you see climate change as a liberal/conservative issue - it isn't.
     
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    It has nothing to do with that. The CO2 scare and the proposed policy are brilliant marketing for those who are in the 'carbon' business.

    Without such CO2 policy, there is no chance to make a penny.
     
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    The enactment of laws and taxes for climate change is certainly a political issue.

    And you know as well as I that the government will only use such "expert" advice that supports their agenda at the moment.
     
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    You get it.

    The simpler, least expensive more effective strategy is being ignored to concentrate on the most expensive, least efficient strategy because the latter will fatten government coffers and corrupt politicians wallets more than the former.
     
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    More paranoia.

    As opposed to the coal and nuclear industries, of course. Because they employ lobbyists as well, don't they? Would you care to tell us how much coal spent on lobbying last year, Si Modo?

    A lot of companies around the world will make a lot of money and create a lot of jobs building and exporting solar, wind and osmosis technologies - there is no question about that. They are already are.

    They will also do so largely without any government support beyond start-up funding.

    The only question is - will the US miss out on this industry entirely, and instead sits around whining about government?
     
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    The US has no nuclear industry does it? The Democrats have seen to that.

    And our government is making it nearly impossible to start new technology ventures here.

    As I have said before government needs to get out of the way and then we'll see some major improvements in the USA's ability to compete in the global energy market
     
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    No, it is not a political issue - at least, it shouldn't be. It is - and should be - a science issue.

    And the proof of this is that so many conservative politicians and conservative parties completely reject your political view of climate change - because they have actually looked at the science objectively, and chosen what they think is best for the country and party.

    How else do you explain the policies of Angela Merkel, Sakorzy, or the UK Conservative Party?
     

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