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[PoliticalChic]

1. What does that statement have to do with anything about the fact that millions of Africans were systematically kidnapped, raped and killed to feed the slave trade. Just remember, the other country's kids are always uglier than yours.

2. besides forgetting that the White Man knew exactly what he was doing when spreading germs amongst the native Americans (did you not learn about the Small Pox and Chlorea blankets they happily gave them), The restricting of Native Americans to reservations, driving them off their land, etc. contributed to their decline. Oh, so the massacres were rare, but the genocide was real.


3. Wow, you went to "Right Wing Propaganda" School, and got a Magnum Cum Laude in bullshit, didn't you.

The "Black Book of Communism" is considered a joke in most intellectual circles. Besides repeating a lot rather silly Cold War propaganda, it blames Communism (which is actually a pretty bad economic system) for ethnic and historical events.

Pol Pot did not kill a quarter of his country's population because they didn't believe in Marx. he killed them because of ethnic grudges that were excerbated by our policies. Nixon's bombing of Cambodia killed nearly 1 million Cambodians, while our puppet government under Lon Nol went along with it. In short, we brutalized these people, and then wondered why they acted like savages.

"...besides forgetting that the White Man knew exactly what he was doing when spreading germs amongst the native Americans (did you not learn about the Small Pox and Chlorea blankets they happily gave them),...'

Amazing what a compendium of fatuity you are.

That story is bogus....the only 'germs spread' are your liberal fables....


Learn:

1. Guenter Lewy (born 1923, Germany) is an author and historian[citation needed], and a professor emeritus of political science at the University of Massachusetts. In September 2004, Lewy published an essay entitled Were American Indians the Victims of Genocide ?in which he says [Ward] Churchill's assertion that the U.S. Army intentionally spread smallpox among American Indians by distributing infected blankets in 1837 is false. Lewy calls Churchill's claim of 100,000 deaths from the incident "obviously absurd".

2. There is the often repeated story of Lord Jeffrey Amherst ordering the distribution of smallpox-infected blankets to the Indians, as an example of ‘germ warfare’ used by Europeans. The story is not documented, except as a ‘possibility.’

See the study of Professor d’Errico:
Historian Francis Parkman, in his book "The Conspiracy of Pontiac and the Indian War after the Conquest of Canada" [Boston: Little, Brown, 1886] refers to a postscript in an earlier letter from Amherst to Bouquet wondering whether smallpox could not be spread among the Indians:

“Could it not be contrived to send the Small Pox among those disaffected tribes of Indians? We must on this occasion use every stratagem in our power to reduce them”. [Vol. II, p. 39 (6th edition)]

I have not found this letter, but there is a letter from Bouquet to Amherst, dated 23 June 1763, three weeks before the discussion of blankets to the Indians, stating that Captain Ecuyer at Fort Pitt (to which Bouquet would be heading with reinforcements) has reported smallpox in the Fort. This indicates at least that the writers knew the plan could be carried out.

It is curious that the specific plans to spread smallpox were relegated to postscripts.


Again: "I have not found this letter,..."


You liberal hand-wringers are laughable. There exists less scholarship, and more acceptance of gossip from you Liberals than is to be found in the junior high schools girls bath room.....


.....bet you believe that J.Edgar Hoover waltzed around in a dress....



3. "The "Black Book of Communism" is considered a joke in most intellectual circles."

First of all, how would you know any thing about "intellectual circles"????

You use that hackneyed excuse every time a scholarly work rams a stake through your propaganda.

The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression is a book authored by several European academics and edited by Stéphane Courtois,[1] which describes a history of repressions, both political and civilian, by Communist states, including genocides, extrajudicial executions, deportations, and artificial famines. The book was originally published in 1997 in France under the title Le Livre noir du communisme: Crimes, terreur, répression by Éditions Robert Laffont. In the United States it is published by Harvard University Press.[2]
^ *Stéphane Courtois is a director of research at the Centre national de la recherche scientifique (CNRS).
Nicolas Werth is a researcher at the Institut d'Histoire du Temps Présent (IHTP) in Paris.
Jean-Louis Panné is a specialist on the international Communist movement.
Andrzej Paczkowski is the deputy director of the Institute for Political Studies of the Polish Academy of Sciences and a member of the archival commission for the Polish Ministry of Internal Affairs.
Karel Bartošek (1930–2004) was a historian from the Czech Republic, and a researcher at IHTP.
Jean-Louis Margolin is a lecturer at the Université de Provence and a researcher as the Research Institute on Southeast Asia.
Sylvain Boulougue is a research associate at GEODE, Université Paris X.
Pascal Fontaine is a journalist with a special knowledge of Latin America.
Rémi Kauffer is a specialist in the history of intelligence, terrorism, and clandestine operations.
Pierre Rigoulet is a researcher at the Institut d'Histoire Sociale.
Yves Santamaria is a historian.
The Black Book of Communism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Here's another bet....bet you've never read the tome....have you?


Turns out you're the joke, huh?

And not even an honest joke....
....simply a buffoon poseur.

 

[JoeB131]

Scholarly works don't rehash tired propaganda.

As for the intentional spreading of disease, educate yourself.

Native American disease and epidemics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to many accounts, the spread of disease from European contact was not entirely accidental. Europeans who were arriving in the Americas had already been exposed to the diseases, attaining immunity, and thus were not affected by them. Therefore, it would be an effective technique when others were exhausted to use disease as a biological weapon.[6]

There is at least one instance documented by many in which disease was proposed to be used as a weapon against Native American tribes. During the French and Indian War Jeffrey Amherst, 1st Baron Amherst, Britain's commander in chief in North America suggested using the smallpox disease to wipe out their Native American enemy. It is quoted from his writings to Colonel Henry Bouquet concerning the situation in western Pennsylvania[6] that the spread of disease would be beneficial to achieve their means and Bouquet confirmed his intentions to do so. In 1763 at the Siege of Fort Pitt, many historians claim that smallpox-infested blankets were removed from fallen British soldiers. They were then to be distributed to Native Americans who accepted the blankets as their own. An English trader is quoted concerning the two Indian chiefs given "two blankets and a handkerchief out of the small pox hospital. I hope it will have the desired effect."[7] A smallpox outbreak did occur in this area among Indians in the spring.

 

[Rinata]

*yawn*

i'd wager we'd see a similar thread from PC if we looked back, oh... about four years.

how is VP Palin doing?'

The OP is such a dumb broad!!!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Scholarly works don't rehash tired propaganda.

As for the intentional spreading of disease, educate yourself.

Native American disease and epidemics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to many accounts, the spread of disease from European contact was not entirely accidental. Europeans who were arriving in the Americas had already been exposed to the diseases, attaining immunity, and thus were not affected by them. Therefore, it would be an effective technique when others were exhausted to use disease as a biological weapon.[6]

There is at least one instance documented by many in which disease was proposed to be used as a weapon against Native American tribes. During the French and Indian War Jeffrey Amherst, 1st Baron Amherst, Britain's commander in chief in North America suggested using the smallpox disease to wipe out their Native American enemy. It is quoted from his writings to Colonel Henry Bouquet concerning the situation in western Pennsylvania[6] that the spread of disease would be beneficial to achieve their means and Bouquet confirmed his intentions to do so. In 1763 at the Siege of Fort Pitt, many historians claim that smallpox-infested blankets were removed from fallen British soldiers. They were then to be distributed to Native Americans who accepted the blankets as their own. An English trader is quoted concerning the two Indian chiefs given "two blankets and a handkerchief out of the small pox hospital. I hope it will have the desired effect."[7] A smallpox outbreak did occur in this area among Indians in the spring.

Bogus.

Here is the 'escapy phrase' right up front: 'According to many accounts,....'


I provided the specific explanation,
a. the provenance, a foot note on a letter....

b. the fact that smallpox had broken out three weeks before that letter was written.

AND....

c. no researchers can find the original Amherst letter!!!



Of course...since it supports your anti-white, anti-American boilerplate...you'll continue to spread the gossip.

 

[PoliticalChic]

*yawn*

i'd wager we'd see a similar thread from PC if we looked back, oh... about four years.

how is VP Palin doing?'

The OP is such a dumb broad!!!

That's MS. DUMB BROAD to you.

 

[JoeB131]

Bogus.

Here is the 'escapy phrase' right up front: 'According to many accounts,....'

I provided the specific explanation,
a. the provenance, a foot note on a letter....

b. the fact that smallpox had broken out three weeks before that letter was written.

AND....

c. no researchers can find the original Amherst letter!!!

Of course...since it supports your anti-white, anti-American boilerplate...you'll continue to spread the gossip.

Yawn... so Wounded Knee and the Trail of Tears and all those other acts of Genocide were just nasty rumors made up by anti-American and Anti-White people.

Got it.

You know, we can't heal until we own up to our wrongs..

 

[PoliticalChic]

Bogus.

Here is the 'escapy phrase' right up front: 'According to many accounts,....'

I provided the specific explanation,
a. the provenance, a foot note on a letter....

b. the fact that smallpox had broken out three weeks before that letter was written.

AND....

c. no researchers can find the original Amherst letter!!!

Of course...since it supports your anti-white, anti-American boilerplate...you'll continue to spread the gossip.

Yawn... so Wounded Knee and the Trail of Tears and all those other acts of Genocide were just nasty rumors made up by anti-American and Anti-White people.

Got it.

You know, we can't heal until we own up to our wrongs..

1. Glad to see you running away from the the smallpox-blankets fable....


2. During the 4 centuries following European entry into North America, Indian population fell. By the beginning of the 20th Century, officials found only 250,000 Indians in the territory of the US, as opposed to 2,476,000 identified as “American Indians or Alaska Natives” in the 2000 census. Scholars estimate pre-Columbian North American population range from 1.2 million (1928 tribe-by-tribe assessment) up to 20 million by activists.
Collectively these data suggest that population numbered about 1,894,350 at about A.D. 1500. Epidemics and other factors reduced this number to only 530,000 by 1900. Modern data suggest that by 1985 population size has increased to over 2.5 million.
North American Indian population size, A.D. 1500 to 1985 - Ubelaker - 2005 - American Journal of Physical Anthropology - Wiley Online Library

The reported population of Native Americans by the most recent Census has soared more than 1000% since 1900, over 3 times that of the US as a whole. A reasonable explanation is that intermarriage and assimilation reveal that a portion of the reported disappearance of native Americans may be that many still exist but in a different description..

3. Pop culture anti-Americans (shoe fits?) unfailingly paint the army as brutal killers, as in the famous South Dakota Wounded Knee ‘massacre,’ December 29, 1890.

Robert Marshall Utley (born in 1929) is an author and historian who has written sixteen books on the history of the American West, including "The Last Days of the Sioux Nation," Yale University Press, New Haven, CT (1963) in which he concludes that the army court of inquiry was correct in clearing the soldiers, and that “the Indians fired at least 50 shots before the troops returned fire.”


So, what really happened to huge numbers of our Indian brethren???


4. "Potentates of Pop-Culture suggest the dignity and gentleness of native societies in pre-Columbian North America, regularly find phrases such as “noble civilizations,’ and “lived in peace,” etc. “Harvard archaeologist [Steven] LeBlanc and his co-author [in "Constant Battles: The Myth of the Peaceful, Noble Savage" ] dismantle the notion of the noble savage,... most people envision prehistoric people as peace-seeking nature lovers. LeBlanc insists repeatedly that it is not only foolish, but also dangerous, to believe in an Edenic past when the evidence reveals overpopulation and violence wherever we look.”
(Publisher’s Weekly)

a. Craig Childs wrote in the NYTimes “A Past That Makes Us Squirm,” “children killed the same way, human sacrifices to an ancient water deity, their bodies buried under pre-Columbian ball courts or at the foot of pillars in important rooms,” “archaeological record of the Americas read like a war-crimes indictment, with charred skeletons stacked like cordwood and innumerable human remains missing heads, legs and arms. In the American Southwest, which is my area of research, human tissue has been found cooked to the insides of kitchen jars and stained into a ceramic serving ladle. A grinding stone was found full of crushed human finger bones. A sample of human feces came up containing the remains of a cannibal’s meal.” Childs also refers to the accuracy of “ Mel Gibson’s movie ‘Apocalypto.’ “ How do we rectify the age-old perception of noble and peaceful native America with the reality that at times violence was coordinated on a scale never before witnessed by humanity? The answer is simple. We don’t.”


b. Here's one that someone with your outlook might like to celebrate:
August 30, 1813 The Fort Mims Massacre. ( Baldwin County, Alabama) Fort Mims was a simple stockade in which about 550 white civilians and mixed-blood Creeks and 120 militiamen and about 300 slaves took refuge from a thousand Red Stick Creeks commanded by Red Eagle (William Weatherford, who had chosen his mother’s family over his father’s) and another part-Indian named Paddy Welsh, systematically butchered the White inhabitants: White children had their brains splattered against the fort’s stockade, pregnant women were sliced open and their fetuses ripped from their wombs, and over 250 scalps taken. The blacks were spared to become slaves to the attackers. Andrew Jackson led Tennessee soldiers and responded in a similar manner. Jackson, under the authority of President Madison, imposed a treaty that ceded 23 million acres to the United States.


And, another book you've never read: "Our Savage Neighbors: How Indian War Transformed Early America" by Peter Silver

Tribes fought each other unendingly....especially as a result of taking sides during and prior to the Seven Year War.


Amazing how you pontificate, yet know so little history.
You must be a Liberal....

 

[Dick Tuck]

When your parents are U.S. Citizens and you are born in a territory you are still a U.S. Citizen.
The Gov. of Puerto Rico isn't.

Puerto Ricans are US citizens.

 

[JoeB131]

Political Chick just convinced me... all those native Americans deserved to die because they weren't white like her.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Political Chick just convinced me... all those native Americans deserved to die because they weren't white like her.

Amazingly consistent streak of every single post being wrong!
I don't know how you find your way back to that refrigerator box your call home...

Looking toward the day you change your handle to "Erroneous Joe."

I'm not white.

 

[JoeB131]

Political Chick just convinced me... all those native Americans deserved to die because they weren't white like her.

Amazingly consistent streak of every single post being wrong!
I don't know how you find your way back to that refrigerator box your call home...

Looking toward the day you change your handle to "Erroneous Joe."

I'm not white.

Sure you're not...

 

[PoliticalChic]

Political Chick just convinced me... all those native Americans deserved to die because they weren't white like her.

Amazingly consistent streak of every single post being wrong!
I don't know how you find your way back to that refrigerator box your call home...

Looking toward the day you change your handle to "Erroneous Joe."

I'm not white.

Sure you're not...

Funny, isn't it, how true the old saying is: 'We can only judge others by ourselves...."

Unlike you, I don't fib.



You might take a glance at my profile pic.

 

[JoeB131]

WHy would I bother to do that?

Frankly, your words are what they are... tired old Young Republican talking points. The kind of shit I said 30 years ago before I learned better.

Get back to me when you've lived a little.

 

[PoliticalChic]

WHy would I bother to do that?

Frankly, your words are what they are... tired old Young Republican talking points. The kind of shit I said 30 years ago before I learned better.

Get back to me when you've lived a little.

As you are wrong with metronomic regularity, I'm not surprised you don't care to verify your prediction.

Carry on, ErroneousJoe

 

[JoeB131]

Sorry, I won't take your claims for whatever you just changed on your profile ten minutes ago...

 

[PoliticalChic]

Sorry, I won't take your claims for whatever you just changed on your profile ten minutes ago...

Another pretense?

You know better, Erroneous Joe.

 

[JoeB131]

You're like a black hole of emotional need, aren't you, PC.

Get back to me when you grow a brain.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You're like a black hole of emotional need, aren't you, PC.

Get back to me when you grow a brain.

How would you recognize a brain, Erroneous?

You have yet to show your recognize an emanation thereof....


If you're good, I'll continue to advance your history education.

 

[JoeB131]

PC = Black Hole of Emotional Need...

 

[Toro]

PC = not white

rofl