2aguy
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You lie & quoted an incorrect website. Just because you quote some fake info online doesn't make it true.No training, vetting, background check or permits required to carry a gun here in St. Louis, MO. Yet we have the highest murder rate in the country!It's not a unique privilege to carry a loaded pistol all day. But it should be more so than it is today. Crackpots should be stripped of many of their rights like driving, flying, guns, explosives, chemicals, etc....
Of course it's a unique privilege. How many of those sheep marching in those "I'm skeered of guns" marches today have been trained, vetted, background-checked, and permitted to carry a firearm?
Probably not a single one of them.
Have you even looked into Missouri's gun laws? What you stated was incorrect and anyone carrying a concealed pistol in the manner you are suggesting, is committing a felony.
"The right to carry guns in Missouri is a little more rigorous. It is illegal to carry a concealed handgun without a concealed carry endorsement, which is labeled on the Missouri driver's license.
To obtain a carry endorsement the applicant must be at least 23 years of age, a citizen of the United States, and reside in Missouri for a minimum of 6 months. Applications to legally carry and conceal a firearm are submitted to the sheriff of the county of residence. The application includes basic information, state and federal background checks, fingerprinting, and proof of weapons training completion.
Once all documentation is filed the sheriff has three days to issue the certificate of qualification for a concealed carry endorsement. In addition to the endorsement, any state concealment permit will be upheld by Missouri gun laws-the right to carry guns will be considered legal if any concealment permit is shown to law enforcement. Once obtained the endorsement, is valid for 3 years."
Missouri Gun Laws - Gun | Laws.com
I see that now.
"As of January 1, 2017, a permit is not required to carry concealed"
Gun laws in Missouri - Wikipedia
Evidently Missouri is one of those states that have Constitutional Carry, along with Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho, Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Vermont, West Virginia, and Wyoming.
Except what does St. Louis have that Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho, Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Vermont, West Virginia, and Wyoming doesn't have?
Why are the crime rates in Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho, Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Vermont, West Virginia, and Wyoming so low compared to the rates in St. Louis, MO and East St. Louis, IL?
The neighborhood Scout website is showing East St. Louis, IL to have the number one highest murder rate and St. Louis, MO to have the number 4 highest murder rate in the US, as of 2018.
Top 30 Highest Murder Rate Cities in the U.S. - NeighborhoodScout
So how would you explain that East St. Louis which is in Illinois, which is a state that has some of the most stringent gun control laws, and St. Louis, MO are on a par as far as the murder rates?
I'll give you a hint here: It has something to do with the ethnicity of those two city's population, and nothing to do with their firearms laws.
I can answer that....the reason St. louis has a high gun murder rate?
The democrats keep letting violent gun criminals out of jail...out on bond, out on parole, they drop gun charges....and are surprised when their violent pets go out and murder each other and innocent people....
Rise in Murders Has St. Louis Debating Why
Jennifer M. Joyce, the city’s circuit attorney, or prosecutor, an elected position, complains that in St. Louis, the illegal possession of a gun is too often “a crime without a consequence,” making it difficult to stop confrontation from turning lethal.
At the same time, deeper social roots of violence such as addiction and unemployment continue unchecked. And city officials also cite what they call a “Ferguson effect,” an increase in crime last year as police officers were diverted to control protests after a white officer shot and killed Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager in the nearby suburb on Aug. 9.
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Now, an overstretched department is forced to pick one neighborhood at a time to flood with officers. Last month, Chief Dotson even asked the state highway patrol if it could lend a dozen men to help watch downtown streets; the agency declined.
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When the police discover a gun in a car with several passengers, including some with felony records, but no one admits to owning the gun, criminal charges are often impossible, Mr. Rosenfeld said.
In addition, according to a 2014 study by Mr. Rosenfeld and his colleagues, a majority of those who are convicted of illegally possessing a gun but not caught using it in a crime receive probation rather than jail time. Gun laws and enforcement are stiffer in many other cities.