LWIR FAILS to Warm the Atmosphere by Empirical Experiment.

[SSDD]

The Greenhouse Effect doesn't have to "override" anything. It is not fighting with conduction or convection. Planet-wide, the only changes taking place with conduction and convection are those due to the increased temperature of the planet. CO2 is slowing the release of LWIR to space and thus causing the planet to warm. Humans are the source of the increased CO2 and that of several other GHGs. You are an idiot, a liar and a troll.

Got any observed, measured evidence to support that claim?

Didn't think so.

According to data from NOAA, outgoing LW into space has not been decreasing as your hypothesis predicts, but increasing.



In addition, it is highly questionable that we are the cause for increases in CO2. There are a number of published papers that have analyzed changes in atmospheric CO2 and a very good case can be made that we are not the cause of increased CO2.

https://www.researchgate.net/public...SPHERIC_CO2_TO_ANTHROPOGENIC_EMISSIONS_A_NOTE

Clip: “A necessary condition for the theory of anthropogenic global warming is that there should be a close correlation between annual fluctuations of atmospheric CO2 and the annual rate of anthropogenic CO2 emissions. Data on atmospheric CO2 and anthropogenic emissions provided by the Mauna Loa measuring station and the CDIAC in the period 1959-2011 were studied using detrended correlation analysis to determine whether, net of their common long term upward trends, the rate of change in atmospheric CO2 is responsive to the rate of anthropogenic emissions in a shorter time scale from year to year. … [R]esults do not indicate a measurable year to year effect of annual anthropogenic emissions on the annual rate of CO2 accumulation in the atmosphere.”

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Clip: “[T]he warming and cooling of the ocean waters control how much CO2 is exchanged with atmosphere and thereby controlling the concentration of atmospheric CO2. It is obvious that when the oceans are cooled, in this case due to volcanic eruptions or La Niña events, they release less CO2 and when it was an extremely warm year, due to an El Niño, the oceans release more CO2. [D]uring the measured time 1979 to 2006 there has been a continued natural increase in temperature causing a continued increase of CO2 released into the atmosphere. This implies that temperature variations caused by El Niños, La Niñas, volcanic eruptions, varying cloud formations and ultimately the varying solar irradiation control the amount of CO2 which is leaving or being absorbed by the oceans.”


https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ef800581r

Clip: “[With the short (5−15 year) RT [residence time] results shown to be in quasi-equilibrium, this then supports the (independently based) conclusion that the long-term (∼100 year) rising atmospheric CO2 concentration is not from anthropogenic sources but, in accordance with conclusions from other studies, is most likely the outcome of the rising atmospheric temperature, which is due to other natural factors. This further supports the conclusion that global warming is not anthropogenically driven as an outcome of combustion.”

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2009GL040613

Clip: “[T]he trend in the airborne fraction [ratio of CO2 accumulating in the atmosphere to the CO2 flux into the atmosphere due to human activity] since 1850 has been 0.7 ± 1.4% per decade, i.e. close to and not significantly different from zero. The analysis further shows that the statistical model of a constant airborne fraction agrees best with the available data if emissions from land use change are scaled down to 82% or less of their original estimates. Despite the predictions of coupled climate-carbon cycle models, no trend in the airborne fraction can be found.”


Your entire belief system is based on assumptions and terribly flawed models...empirical evidence shows quite clearly that you have been duped

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Energy movement through the troposphere is so completely dominated by conduction and convection that the very idea of a radiative greenhouse effect in the troposphere is laughable.

Well, you are wrong, and you are an uneducated slob that knows less than nothing about this topic. You would get laughed out of a room of climate scientists, and you have done zero research, have zero education, and have zero experience in any of these fields.

 

[SSDD]

Energy movement through the troposphere is so completely dominated by conduction and convection that the very idea of a radiative greenhouse effect in the troposphere is laughable.

Well, you are wrong, and you are an uneducated slob that knows less than nothing about this topic. You would get laughed out of a room of climate scientists, and you have done zero research, have zero education, and have zero experience in any of these fields.

So tell me...how much energy do you believe moves through the troposphere via radiation compared to conduction and convection? Let me guess...you have no idea...you are just repeating the opinion that someone with a political agenda gave you.

 

[jc456]

Talking away the 10% uv rays, it’s the most coming from the sun. What’s your point?

Nobody asked about UV.
My point is, you made a claim about SWIR but don't know how much of the total energy we get from the Sun is in the SWIR range.

Are you then saying our heat doesn’t come from swir?

Are you saying it does? How much?

Are you saying it doesn’t?

How much?

all visible light

 

[SSDD]

Nobody asked about UV.
My point is, you made a claim about SWIR but don't know how much of the total energy we get from the Sun is in the SWIR range.

Are you then saying our heat doesn’t come from swir?

Are you saying it does? How much?

Are you saying it doesn’t?

How much?

52 to 55% with an additional 10% UV, all visible light

Actually radiation accounts for something less than 10% of the energy moving through the troposphere...the time between molecular collisions is so much shorter than the time it takes a molecule to absorb radiation and then emit it that most molecules capable of absorbing IR lose it to oxygen or nitrogen molecules via collision before they have time to radiate it on to space.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Nobody asked about UV.
My point is, you made a claim about SWIR but don't know how much of the total energy we get from the Sun is in the SWIR range.

Are you then saying our heat doesn’t come from swir?

Are you saying it does? How much?

Are you saying it doesn’t?

How much?

all visible light

Visible light is a much larger portion than SWIR.
You didn't know that?
I'm shocked!!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Are you then saying our heat doesn’t come from swir?

Are you saying it does? How much?

Are you saying it doesn’t?

How much?

52 to 55% with an additional 10% UV, all visible light

Actually radiation accounts for something less than 10% of the energy moving through the troposphere...the time between molecular collisions is so much shorter than the time it takes a molecule to absorb radiation and then emit it that most molecules capable of absorbing IR lose it to oxygen or nitrogen molecules via collision before they have time to radiate it on to space.

most molecules capable of absorbing IR lose it to oxygen or nitrogen molecules via collision before they have time to radiate it on to space.

Nice of you to finally learn how IR warms our atmosphere.

 

[SSDD]

Are you saying it does? How much?

Are you saying it doesn’t?

How much?

52 to 55% with an additional 10% UV, all visible light

Actually radiation accounts for something less than 10% of the energy moving through the troposphere...the time between molecular collisions is so much shorter than the time it takes a molecule to absorb radiation and then emit it that most molecules capable of absorbing IR lose it to oxygen or nitrogen molecules via collision before they have time to radiate it on to space.

most molecules capable of absorbing IR lose it to oxygen or nitrogen molecules via collision before they have time to radiate it on to space.

Nice of you to finally learn how IR warms our atmosphere.

Sorry...air is warmed via conduction...IR does not warm the air. Again, refer to the infrared heating industry...they don't live by models...they are constrained with reality and what actually happens in the world vs what happens in a model...

 

[jc456]

Are you then saying our heat doesn’t come from swir?

Are you saying it does? How much?

Are you saying it doesn’t?

How much?

52 to 55% with an additional 10% UV, all visible light

Actually radiation accounts for something less than 10% of the energy moving through the troposphere...the time between molecular collisions is so much shorter than the time it takes a molecule to absorb radiation and then emit it that most molecules capable of absorbing IR lose it to oxygen or nitrogen molecules via collision before they have time to radiate it on to space.

I was referring to surface absorption, there is no downward LWIR. So the sun is our heater and only the sun.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Are you saying it doesn’t?

How much?

52 to 55% with an additional 10% UV, all visible light

Actually radiation accounts for something less than 10% of the energy moving through the troposphere...the time between molecular collisions is so much shorter than the time it takes a molecule to absorb radiation and then emit it that most molecules capable of absorbing IR lose it to oxygen or nitrogen molecules via collision before they have time to radiate it on to space.

most molecules capable of absorbing IR lose it to oxygen or nitrogen molecules via collision before they have time to radiate it on to space.

Nice of you to finally learn how IR warms our atmosphere.

Sorry...air is warmed via conduction...IR does not warm the air. Again, refer to the infrared heating industry...they don't live by models...they are constrained with reality and what actually happens in the world vs what happens in a model...

Sorry...air is warmed via conduction...IR does not warm the air.

You just said, IR is absorbed and then the IR energy is lost by collision.
The energy from IR has now warmed the atmosphere.
Two steps to warmer air.

Again, refer to the infrared heating industry...they don't live by models...

Did you bother to look at emission spectra of those IR heaters and the absorption spectra of the atmosphere?
It would highlight your errors, so I understand your reluctance.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Are you saying it does? How much?

Are you saying it doesn’t?

How much?

52 to 55% with an additional 10% UV, all visible light

Actually radiation accounts for something less than 10% of the energy moving through the troposphere...the time between molecular collisions is so much shorter than the time it takes a molecule to absorb radiation and then emit it that most molecules capable of absorbing IR lose it to oxygen or nitrogen molecules via collision before they have time to radiate it on to space.

I was referring to surface absorption, there is no downward LWIR. So the sun is our heater and only the sun.

there is no downward LWIR.

It's funny, even when you say it.

 

[SSDD]

Are you saying it doesn’t?

How much?

52 to 55% with an additional 10% UV, all visible light

Actually radiation accounts for something less than 10% of the energy moving through the troposphere...the time between molecular collisions is so much shorter than the time it takes a molecule to absorb radiation and then emit it that most molecules capable of absorbing IR lose it to oxygen or nitrogen molecules via collision before they have time to radiate it on to space.

I was referring to surface absorption, there is no downward LWIR. So the sun is our heater and only the sun.

there is no downward LWIR.

It's funny, even when you say it.

What is funny is that you believe it exists even though it can't be measured unless you cool the instrument down to a temperature lower than that of the atmosphere...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How much?

52 to 55% with an additional 10% UV, all visible light

Actually radiation accounts for something less than 10% of the energy moving through the troposphere...the time between molecular collisions is so much shorter than the time it takes a molecule to absorb radiation and then emit it that most molecules capable of absorbing IR lose it to oxygen or nitrogen molecules via collision before they have time to radiate it on to space.

I was referring to surface absorption, there is no downward LWIR. So the sun is our heater and only the sun.

there is no downward LWIR.

It's funny, even when you say it.

What is funny is that you believe it exists even though it can't be measured unless you cool the instrument down to a temperature lower than that of the atmosphere...

What's funny is you think the atmosphere can sense the temperature of the instrument when the instrument can't radiate (because it's colder).

 

[jc456]

52 to 55% with an additional 10% UV, all visible light

Actually radiation accounts for something less than 10% of the energy moving through the troposphere...the time between molecular collisions is so much shorter than the time it takes a molecule to absorb radiation and then emit it that most molecules capable of absorbing IR lose it to oxygen or nitrogen molecules via collision before they have time to radiate it on to space.

I was referring to surface absorption, there is no downward LWIR. So the sun is our heater and only the sun.

there is no downward LWIR.

It's funny, even when you say it.

What is funny is that you believe it exists even though it can't be measured unless you cool the instrument down to a temperature lower than that of the atmosphere...

What's funny is you think the atmosphere can sense the temperature of the instrument when the instrument can't radiate (because it's colder).

2nd law! That’s all

 

[jc456]

How much?

52 to 55% with an additional 10% UV, all visible light

Actually radiation accounts for something less than 10% of the energy moving through the troposphere...the time between molecular collisions is so much shorter than the time it takes a molecule to absorb radiation and then emit it that most molecules capable of absorbing IR lose it to oxygen or nitrogen molecules via collision before they have time to radiate it on to space.

most molecules capable of absorbing IR lose it to oxygen or nitrogen molecules via collision before they have time to radiate it on to space.

Nice of you to finally learn how IR warms our atmosphere.

Sorry...air is warmed via conduction...IR does not warm the air. Again, refer to the infrared heating industry...they don't live by models...they are constrained with reality and what actually happens in the world vs what happens in a model...

Sorry...air is warmed via conduction...IR does not warm the air.

You just said, IR is absorbed and then the IR energy is lost by collision.
The energy from IR has now warmed the atmosphere.
Two steps to warmer air.

Again, refer to the infrared heating industry...they don't live by models...

Did you bother to look at emission spectra of those IR heaters and the absorption spectra of the atmosphere?
It would highlight your errors, so I understand your reluctance.

IR can’t warm air. Dude, you can write it down as often as you feel. Just doesn’t. If you put your arms in front of an IR heater, it will heat your arms, that’s it. And it is SSDD and I laughing at you.

 

[SSDD]

You just said, IR is absorbed and then the IR energy is lost by collision.

Sorry guy...failure to understand...when the energy is in the molecule, it is just energy...not infrared. It is only infrared once it has been emitted.

Did you bother to look at emission spectra of those IR heaters and the absorption spectra of the atmosphere?
It would highlight your errors, so I understand your reluctance.

Clearly you didn't....far infrared...just like IR from the surface of the earth. In fact, they go to great lengths to explain that fact...had you ever bothered to look. It is unfortunate to accept an opinion from someone else....pretty much stops your learning process in its tracks.

 

[Wuwei]

the time between molecular collisions is so much shorter than the time it takes a molecule to absorb radiation and then emit it that most molecules capable of absorbing IR lose it to oxygen or nitrogen molecules via collision before they have time to radiate it on to space.

If the CO2 loses most of it's energy by colliding with O2 or N2, that means the air must heat up. Right? You better tell Billy that.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Actually radiation accounts for something less than 10% of the energy moving through the troposphere...the time between molecular collisions is so much shorter than the time it takes a molecule to absorb radiation and then emit it that most molecules capable of absorbing IR lose it to oxygen or nitrogen molecules via collision before they have time to radiate it on to space.

I was referring to surface absorption, there is no downward LWIR. So the sun is our heater and only the sun.

there is no downward LWIR.

It's funny, even when you say it.

What is funny is that you believe it exists even though it can't be measured unless you cool the instrument down to a temperature lower than that of the atmosphere...

What's funny is you think the atmosphere can sense the temperature of the instrument when the instrument can't radiate (because it's colder).

2nd law! That’s all

The 2nd Law allows the atmosphere to sense the temperature of an instrument to tell whether it is cooled or not?

That's funny!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

52 to 55% with an additional 10% UV, all visible light

Actually radiation accounts for something less than 10% of the energy moving through the troposphere...the time between molecular collisions is so much shorter than the time it takes a molecule to absorb radiation and then emit it that most molecules capable of absorbing IR lose it to oxygen or nitrogen molecules via collision before they have time to radiate it on to space.

most molecules capable of absorbing IR lose it to oxygen or nitrogen molecules via collision before they have time to radiate it on to space.

Nice of you to finally learn how IR warms our atmosphere.

Sorry...air is warmed via conduction...IR does not warm the air. Again, refer to the infrared heating industry...they don't live by models...they are constrained with reality and what actually happens in the world vs what happens in a model...

Sorry...air is warmed via conduction...IR does not warm the air.

You just said, IR is absorbed and then the IR energy is lost by collision.
The energy from IR has now warmed the atmosphere.
Two steps to warmer air.

Again, refer to the infrared heating industry...they don't live by models...

Did you bother to look at emission spectra of those IR heaters and the absorption spectra of the atmosphere?
It would highlight your errors, so I understand your reluctance.

IR can’t warm air. Dude, you can write it down as often as you feel. Just doesn’t. If you put your arms in front of an IR heater, it will heat your arms, that’s it. And it is SSDD and I laughing at you.

IR can’t warm air.

If any component of the air absorbs any IR, it does warm.

If you put your arms in front of an IR heater, it will heat your arms, that’s it.

Of course, those coils get HOT!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You just said, IR is absorbed and then the IR energy is lost by collision.

Sorry guy...failure to understand...when the energy is in the molecule, it is just energy...not infrared. It is only infrared once it has been emitted.

Did you bother to look at emission spectra of those IR heaters and the absorption spectra of the atmosphere?
It would highlight your errors, so I understand your reluctance.

Clearly you didn't....far infrared...just like IR from the surface of the earth. In fact, they go to great lengths to explain that fact...had you ever bothered to look. It is unfortunate to accept an opinion from someone else....pretty much stops your learning process in its tracks.

when the energy is in the molecule, it is just energy...not infrared.

Yup, absorbed energy is energy.

It is only infrared once it has been emitted.

Yup, infrared is infrared. How profound.

Clearly you didn't....far infrared...just like IR from the surface of the earth.

Post the spectra. Not "just like IR from the surface of the earth"

It is unfortunate to accept an opinion from someone else....

Says the guy with the solo misinterpretation.