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https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2019/10/Vindmanstatementfinal.pdf
I realize the war hero's opening statement is longer than a tweet, and therefore impossible for Trump supporters to read or comprehend. But I post it for anyone else who is interested.
Some real sickos on the Right have attacked Vindman, his character, and his loyalty to our country. They have thus exposed that there is no low too low for these fucktards. Fortunately, there are others on the Right who have criticized these attacks on Vindman.
Trump and his massive ego are tearing the entire country apart.
Now some quotes from the Purple Heart recipient's opening testimony:
Since 2008, Russia has manifested an overtly aggressive foreign policy, leveraging military power and employing hybrid warfare to achieve its objectives of regional hegemony and global influence. Absent a deterrent to dissuade Russia from such aggression, there is an increased risk of further confrontations with the West. In this situation, a strong and independent Ukraine is critical to U.S. national security interests because Ukraine is a frontline state and a bulwark against Russian aggression.
In spite of being under assault from Russia for more than five years, Ukraine has taken major steps towards integrating with the West. The U.S. government policy community’s view is that the election of President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and the promise of reforms to eliminate corruption will lock in Ukraine’s Western-leaning trajectory, and allow Ukraine to realize its dream of a vibrant democracy and economic prosperity.
This Western-leaning trajectory is exactly what Vladimir Putin has been working very hard to reverse. And he planted these asinine Ukrainian conspiracy theories in the mind of our idiot President in Helsinki.
To continue:
When I joined the NSC in July 2018, I began implementing the administration’s policy on Ukraine. In the Spring of 2019, I became aware of outside influencers promoting a false narrative of Ukraine inconsistent with the consensus views of the interagency. This narrative was harmful to U.S. government policy. While my interagency colleagues and I were becoming increasingly optimistic on Ukraine’s prospects, this alternative narrative undermined U.S. government efforts to expand cooperation with Ukraine.
Those "outside influencers" were Rudy Giuliani and his criminal cohort.
<snip>
On July 10, 2019, Oleksandr Danylyuk, the Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council for Ukraine, visited Washington, D.C. for a meeting with National Security Advisor Bolton. Ambassadors Volker and Sondland also attended, along with Energy Secretary Rick Perry.
The meeting proceeded well until the Ukrainians broached the subject of a meeting between the two presidents. The Ukrainians saw this meeting as critically important in order to solidify the support of their most important international partner. Amb. Sondland started to speak about Ukraine delivering specific investigations in order to secure the meeting with the President, at which time Ambassador Bolton cut the meeting short.
"...delivering specific investigation in order to secure the meeting with the President."
Quid. Pro. Quo.
I stated to Amb. Sondland that his statements were inappropriate, that the request to investigate Biden and his son had nothing to do with national security, and that such investigations were not something the NSC was going to get involved in or push. Dr. Hill then entered the room and asserted to Amb. Sondland that his statements were inappropriate. Following the debriefing meeting, I reported my concerns to the NSC’s lead counsel. Dr. Hill also reported the incident to the NSC’s lead counsel.
<snip>
On July 25, 2019, the call occurred. I listened in on the call in the Situation Room with colleagues from the NSC and the office of the Vice President. As the transcript is in the public record, we are all aware of what was said.
I was concerned by the call. I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen, and I was worried about the implications for the U.S. government’s support of Ukraine. I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support it has thus far maintained. This would all undermine U.S. national security. Following the call, I again reported my concerns to NSC’s lead counsel.
Where does it state the specific investigation was “into Biden”?
This guy is a hack, undermining his own Commander in Chief , and should be shit canned. He doesn’t get to make the big boy decisions, that’s what we elected President Trump for.
So.....only those loyal to Trump, not the country, are patriots?
I'm concerned that there is this precedence of patriotism being peddled where only those totally loyal to Trump can be patriots.
Is there anything that has happened during this Administration that has caused you to pause......anything.....?.
This guy is a Ukrainian immigrant. He testified that he was concerned about Ukraine getting bi-partisan support if it reopened an investigation that the Democrats obviously wanted shut down and had shut down. He put Ukraine’s welfare above the wishes of his own Commander-in-Chief. That is called being a TRAITOR.
That wasn't my question, Hawk. Try again
He doesn’t get to make the big boy decisions, that’s what we elected President Trump for.
He’s supposed to be an officer and obey the President.
Instead he put his home country, Ukraine, above his duty. That isn’t patriotism, it’s treason. Unless you’re counting it as “patriotism” towards Ukraine.
He doesn’t get to make the big boy decisions, that’s what we elected President Trump for.
The fact you voted for Trump to make 'big boy' decisions says all we need to know about you. None of it good.
You're a disgrace to your country.
He doesn’t get to make the big boy decisions, that’s what we elected President Trump for.
The fact you voted for Trump to make 'big boy' decisions says all we need to know about you. None of it good.
You're a disgrace to your country.
He’s supposed to be an officer and obey the President.
Instead he put his home country, Ukraine, above his duty. That isn’t patriotism, it’s treason. Unless you’re counting it as “patriotism” towards Ukraine.
1) So if The Orange Buffoon tells him to go downtown and shoot up Main St, he should?
2) How is he putting the Ukraine first?
Fuck your'e an idiot...you really are..
https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2019/10/Vindmanstatementfinal.pdf
I realize the war hero's opening statement is longer than a tweet, and therefore impossible for Trump supporters to read or comprehend. But I post it for anyone else who is interested.
Some real sickos on the Right have attacked Vindman, his character, and his loyalty to our country. They have thus exposed that there is no low too low for these fucktards. Fortunately, there are others on the Right who have criticized these attacks on Vindman.
Trump and his massive ego are tearing the entire country apart.
Now some quotes from the Purple Heart recipient's opening testimony:
Since 2008, Russia has manifested an overtly aggressive foreign policy, leveraging military power and employing hybrid warfare to achieve its objectives of regional hegemony and global influence. Absent a deterrent to dissuade Russia from such aggression, there is an increased risk of further confrontations with the West. In this situation, a strong and independent Ukraine is critical to U.S. national security interests because Ukraine is a frontline state and a bulwark against Russian aggression.
In spite of being under assault from Russia for more than five years, Ukraine has taken major steps towards integrating with the West. The U.S. government policy community’s view is that the election of President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and the promise of reforms to eliminate corruption will lock in Ukraine’s Western-leaning trajectory, and allow Ukraine to realize its dream of a vibrant democracy and economic prosperity.
This Western-leaning trajectory is exactly what Vladimir Putin has been working very hard to reverse. And he planted these asinine Ukrainian conspiracy theories in the mind of our idiot President in Helsinki.
To continue:
When I joined the NSC in July 2018, I began implementing the administration’s policy on Ukraine. In the Spring of 2019, I became aware of outside influencers promoting a false narrative of Ukraine inconsistent with the consensus views of the interagency. This narrative was harmful to U.S. government policy. While my interagency colleagues and I were becoming increasingly optimistic on Ukraine’s prospects, this alternative narrative undermined U.S. government efforts to expand cooperation with Ukraine.
Those "outside influencers" were Rudy Giuliani and his criminal cohort.
<snip>
On July 10, 2019, Oleksandr Danylyuk, the Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council for Ukraine, visited Washington, D.C. for a meeting with National Security Advisor Bolton. Ambassadors Volker and Sondland also attended, along with Energy Secretary Rick Perry.
The meeting proceeded well until the Ukrainians broached the subject of a meeting between the two presidents. The Ukrainians saw this meeting as critically important in order to solidify the support of their most important international partner. Amb. Sondland started to speak about Ukraine delivering specific investigations in order to secure the meeting with the President, at which time Ambassador Bolton cut the meeting short.
"...delivering specific investigation in order to secure the meeting with the President."
Quid. Pro. Quo.
I stated to Amb. Sondland that his statements were inappropriate, that the request to investigate Biden and his son had nothing to do with national security, and that such investigations were not something the NSC was going to get involved in or push. Dr. Hill then entered the room and asserted to Amb. Sondland that his statements were inappropriate. Following the debriefing meeting, I reported my concerns to the NSC’s lead counsel. Dr. Hill also reported the incident to the NSC’s lead counsel.
<snip>
On July 25, 2019, the call occurred. I listened in on the call in the Situation Room with colleagues from the NSC and the office of the Vice President. As the transcript is in the public record, we are all aware of what was said.
I was concerned by the call. I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen, and I was worried about the implications for the U.S. government’s support of Ukraine. I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support it has thus far maintained. This would all undermine U.S. national security. Following the call, I again reported my concerns to NSC’s lead counsel.
Where does it state the specific investigation was “into Biden”?
This guy is a hack, undermining his own Commander in Chief , and should be shit canned. He doesn’t get to make the big boy decisions, that’s what we elected President Trump for.
So.....only those loyal to Trump, not the country, are patriots?
I'm concerned that there is this precedence of patriotism being peddled where only those totally loyal to Trump can be patriots.
Is there anything that has happened during this Administration that has caused you to pause......anything.....?.
This guy is a Ukrainian immigrant. He testified that he was concerned about Ukraine getting bi-partisan support if it reopened an investigation that the Democrats obviously wanted shut down and had shut down. He put Ukraine’s welfare above the wishes of his own Commander-in-Chief. That is called being a TRAITOR.
That wasn't my question, Hawk. Try again
I did answer your question. He’s not just some guy that isn’t “loyal to Trump”. He’s supposed to be an officer and obey the President.
Instead he put his home country, Ukraine, above his duty. That isn’t patriotism, it’s treason. Unless you’re counting it as “patriotism” towards Ukraine.
https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2019/10/Vindmanstatementfinal.pdf
I realize the war hero's opening statement is longer than a tweet, and therefore impossible for Trump supporters to read or comprehend. But I post it for anyone else who is interested.
Some real sickos on the Right have attacked Vindman, his character, and his loyalty to our country. They have thus exposed that there is no low too low for these fucktards. Fortunately, there are others on the Right who have criticized these attacks on Vindman.
Trump and his massive ego are tearing the entire country apart.
Now some quotes from the Purple Heart recipient's opening testimony:
Since 2008, Russia has manifested an overtly aggressive foreign policy, leveraging military power and employing hybrid warfare to achieve its objectives of regional hegemony and global influence. Absent a deterrent to dissuade Russia from such aggression, there is an increased risk of further confrontations with the West. In this situation, a strong and independent Ukraine is critical to U.S. national security interests because Ukraine is a frontline state and a bulwark against Russian aggression.
In spite of being under assault from Russia for more than five years, Ukraine has taken major steps towards integrating with the West. The U.S. government policy community’s view is that the election of President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and the promise of reforms to eliminate corruption will lock in Ukraine’s Western-leaning trajectory, and allow Ukraine to realize its dream of a vibrant democracy and economic prosperity.
This Western-leaning trajectory is exactly what Vladimir Putin has been working very hard to reverse. And he planted these asinine Ukrainian conspiracy theories in the mind of our idiot President in Helsinki.
To continue:
When I joined the NSC in July 2018, I began implementing the administration’s policy on Ukraine. In the Spring of 2019, I became aware of outside influencers promoting a false narrative of Ukraine inconsistent with the consensus views of the interagency. This narrative was harmful to U.S. government policy. While my interagency colleagues and I were becoming increasingly optimistic on Ukraine’s prospects, this alternative narrative undermined U.S. government efforts to expand cooperation with Ukraine.
Those "outside influencers" were Rudy Giuliani and his criminal cohort.
<snip>
On July 10, 2019, Oleksandr Danylyuk, the Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council for Ukraine, visited Washington, D.C. for a meeting with National Security Advisor Bolton. Ambassadors Volker and Sondland also attended, along with Energy Secretary Rick Perry.
The meeting proceeded well until the Ukrainians broached the subject of a meeting between the two presidents. The Ukrainians saw this meeting as critically important in order to solidify the support of their most important international partner. Amb. Sondland started to speak about Ukraine delivering specific investigations in order to secure the meeting with the President, at which time Ambassador Bolton cut the meeting short.
"...delivering specific investigation in order to secure the meeting with the President."
Quid. Pro. Quo.
I stated to Amb. Sondland that his statements were inappropriate, that the request to investigate Biden and his son had nothing to do with national security, and that such investigations were not something the NSC was going to get involved in or push. Dr. Hill then entered the room and asserted to Amb. Sondland that his statements were inappropriate. Following the debriefing meeting, I reported my concerns to the NSC’s lead counsel. Dr. Hill also reported the incident to the NSC’s lead counsel.
<snip>
On July 25, 2019, the call occurred. I listened in on the call in the Situation Room with colleagues from the NSC and the office of the Vice President. As the transcript is in the public record, we are all aware of what was said.
I was concerned by the call. I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen, and I was worried about the implications for the U.S. government’s support of Ukraine. I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support it has thus far maintained. This would all undermine U.S. national security. Following the call, I again reported my concerns to NSC’s lead counsel.
Where does it state the specific investigation was “into Biden”?
This guy is a hack, undermining his own Commander in Chief , and should be shit canned. He doesn’t get to make the big boy decisions, that’s what we elected President Trump for.
So.....only those loyal to Trump, not the country, are patriots?
I'm concerned that there is this precedence of patriotism being peddled where only those totally loyal to Trump can be patriots.
Is there anything that has happened during this Administration that has caused you to pause......anything.....?.
This guy is a Ukrainian immigrant. He testified that he was concerned about Ukraine getting bi-partisan support if it reopened an investigation that the Democrats obviously wanted shut down and had shut down. He put Ukraine’s welfare above the wishes of his own Commander-in-Chief. That is called being a TRAITOR.
That wasn't my question, Hawk. Try again
I did answer your question. He’s not just some guy that isn’t “loyal to Trump”. He’s supposed to be an officer and obey the President.
Instead he put his home country, Ukraine, above his duty. That isn’t patriotism, it’s treason. Unless you’re counting it as “patriotism” towards Ukraine.
Yes, you answered one of my questions. I apologize, I'm multi tasking tonight and not doing a very good job apparently. lol
My other question was whether there is anything at all that has happened under this Administration that has caused you to pause or to have any concern.
Also, to address your statement above, I respectfully disagree. Soldiers take an oath to the Constitution, to the Country not to a man. Yes, the military is set up to follow orders but not blindly. Soldiers also have a responsibility to speak up when they see something that they feel is harmful to the country. This man was forced to go outside his chain of command BECAUSE his chain of command let him down.
Why did Trump try to hide the transcript of that phone call afterwards?How many people were listening to that one phone call? Jesus Christ.
He knew he was doing something wrong and tried to bury it. But too many people had already raised concerns about Trump's and Rudy the Hand Grenade's activities before the call even took place.
So.....only those loyal to Trump, not the country, are patriots?
I'm concerned that there is this precedence of patriotism being peddled where only those totally loyal to Trump can be patriots.
Is there anything that has happened during this Administration that has caused you to pause......anything.....?.
This guy is a Ukrainian immigrant. He testified that he was concerned about Ukraine getting bi-partisan support if it reopened an investigation that the Democrats obviously wanted shut down and had shut down. He put Ukraine’s welfare above the wishes of his own Commander-in-Chief. That is called being a TRAITOR.
That wasn't my question, Hawk. Try again
I did answer your question. He’s not just some guy that isn’t “loyal to Trump”. He’s supposed to be an officer and obey the President.
Instead he put his home country, Ukraine, above his duty. That isn’t patriotism, it’s treason. Unless you’re counting it as “patriotism” towards Ukraine.
Yes, you answered one of my questions. I apologize, I'm multi tasking tonight and not doing a very good job apparently. lol
My other question was whether there is anything at all that has happened under this Administration that has caused you to pause or to have any concern.
Also, to address your statement above, I respectfully disagree. Soldiers take an oath to the Constitution, to the Country not to a man. Yes, the military is set up to follow orders but not blindly. Soldiers also have a responsibility to speak up when they see something that they feel is harmful to the country. This man was forced to go outside his chain of command BECAUSE his chain of command let him down.
Bullshit. Officers and enlisted are not to follow an illegal order. Did he receive an illegal order? No. He just disagreed with his decision and his policy. NOT his call. The guy is a native Ukrainian and even testified his concern was for the Ukraine.
There is plenty that has happened “under this Administration” that gives me pause. Namely the never-Trumpers and deep-state shills that constantly undermine the President, including this latest shill. But, the President isn’t stymied by these assholes and keeps fighting the good fight.
Why did Trump try to hide the transcript of that phone call afterwards?How many people were listening to that one phone call? Jesus Christ.
He knew he was doing something wrong and tried to bury it. But too many people had already raised concerns about Trump's and Rudy the Hand Grenade's activities before the call even took place.
He expressed his concern that if the Biden investigation wasn't dropped then Ukraine would lose support from the Democrats.He’s supposed to be an officer and obey the President.
Instead he put his home country, Ukraine, above his duty. That isn’t patriotism, it’s treason. Unless you’re counting it as “patriotism” towards Ukraine.
1) So if The Orange Buffoon tells him to go downtown and shoot up Main St, he should?
2) How is he putting the Ukraine first?
He released the transcript. How the hell is that not cooperating?Great! Then the president can start cooperating. I'll let him know what you said.I read the transcript of the call. Nothing there to be concerned about.
I would never cooperate with a democrat. He released the call transcript. That’s enough. No reason to deal with you idiots further.Why can't Trump? Why can't he just cooperate?Why can't left wingers tell us what's in the file?
Haha....*crickets*
He ordered all executive branch staff to defy congressional subpoenas. How is that cooperating?He released the transcript. How the hell is that not cooperating?
Then hey, they can just force you to do so, with subpoenas and court rulings.I would never cooperate with a democrat.
Are you saying the transcript is word for word the entire phone call?I read the transcript of the call. Nothing there to be concerned about.
So why the hell should I care about this guys feelings about it?
No. Oddly enough, he is saying it shows us everything we wpuld ever need to know about the phone call, while simultaneously complaining about the guy who said he tried to have ommitted parts put in. That's the guy in the thread topic.Are you saying the transcript is word for word the entire phone call?
