Lott Guns Down Costas!

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    1."Did Jovan Belcher, the 6’2” 228 pound linebacker for the Kansas City Chiefs, need a gun to kill his girlfriend Kasandra Perkins? How about to commit suicide? Apparently some think that Saturday's murder-suicide tragedy in Kansas City wouldn't have happened if he hadn't had a firearm. Amazingly, during halftime on NBC’s "Sunday Night Football," Bob Costas told viewers he believed: “If Jovan Belcher didn’t possess a gun, he and Kasandra Perkins would both be alive today.”

    2. Even if no weapon existed, the strength differential is so large that Belcher could have easily killed Perkins in any number of ways....Costas’ rant falls under the category of if gun control could save just one life it would be worth it. The argument makes as much sense as saying we shouldn’t have gun control if guns can save one life.

    3. ...what Costas ignores is that guns save a lot more lives than they cost each year. And that's not even mentioning the roughly 2 million times a year that people use guns defensively.




    4. Whether people like Costas like it or not the facts speak for themselves: Murder rates consistently rise when guns are banned. This is not just a US phenomenon in places such as Washington, DC and Chicago, but has been observed worldwide....gun bans disarm law-abiding good people, not criminals.

    5. Gun control advocates frequently point out that the majority of murders are committed by acquaintances,...What isn’t mentioned by these same advocates is that most of these acquaintances are not people who are emotionally close to each other. They involve rival gang members who know each other.

    a. Acquaintance murders also include prostitutes and their pimps or Johns as well as cab drivers who are murdered by their fares.

    6. ...criminals are not typical citizens. About 90 percent of adult murderers have an adult criminal record. They tend to have low IQs and long histories of social problems.




    7. If women want to protect themselves, they should get a gun. The FBI’s National Crime Victimization Survey indicates that by far the safest course of action for women to take when they are confronted by a criminal is to have a gun.

    8. ...two groups of people who benefit the most from gun ownership: people who are weaker physically (women and the elderly) and those who are most likely to be victims of violent crime (primarily poor blacks who live in high crime urban areas).

    9. ...gun ownership has no impact on suicide rates. To the extent that gun control has any impact, restrictions just change the way in which the suicide is committed.

    10. Bob Costas’ emotional reaction..."
    The truth about Costas, Belcher and guns | Fox News




    If I may....Costas' was a calculated reaction...not an emotional one....
    As an inveterate Liberal, Costas couldn't stop himself from blasting the Second Amendment, but when it came to antagonizing one of the Left's protected groups, Muslims....heck, that he was able to control

    "Before the Olympics this summer, Costas criticized the International Olympic Committee's decision not to hold a moment of silence to mark the deaths of 11 Israeli athletes and coaches killed by Palestinian gunmen in Munich in 1972. But he stopped short of repeating that criticism on the air."

    Read more here: Bob Costas gun control commentary stirs a fuss - KansasCity.com
     
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    Actually Costas didn't comment on "gun control" or gun laws. Never mentioned either one. Neither did the Whitlock column he quoted.

    Rather, they spoke of the gun culture, which is an altogether different thing. I know a lot of wags jumped on the waggin' train to derail the commentary and pretend it was something it wasn't but there it is. The commentaries weren't about laws; they were about attitudes.
     
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    We have meet the enemy and it is you.


    Of course, you couldn't be more wrong.

    "Perhaps America's 90 million gunowners should be grateful to sports pundit Bob Costas for exposing how ignorant the mainstream media is about guns and gun laws in his now infamous 90-second halftime soundbite that serves as insightful commentary today.

    Costas, quoting heavily during Dec. 2's Sunday Night Football halftime on NBC from a column by foxsports.com's Jason Whitlock about Kansas City Chiefs Jovan Belcher’s murder-suicide, ignored the crime and the victim, dismissed assigning blame to criminals who commit crimes, and opted instead to make an emotional appeal for gun control by exclusively blaming guns and the "gun culture" without mentioning domestic violence, NFL brain injuries, or substance abuse."
    Bob Costas' Rant Exposes Ignorance of the Gun Control Lobby | Outdoor Life



    "Bob Costas did a grave disservice to the world recently when he chose to redirect the discussion about Jovan Belcher’s murder-suicide to a rant on lax gun laws."
    Bob Costas Gun Rant: The Blame Lies With Jovan Belcher, Not Guns


    "I think it’s obvious if you’ve traveled abroad, and traveled to countries where they have legitimate gun laws,..."
    Columnist Who Inspired Bob Costas Rant: 'The NRA Is The New KKK'


    Let me know if you need more help with this.
     
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    Lott's real brave when it's about a TV show. AWOL all other times.
     
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    Thanks, I won't need that because before posting anything about this I actually read the entire transcript and the Whitlock article and watched the commentary. It isn't in there, period. Nothing about "laws", "restrictions", "controls", "bans" or "2nd amendment". Zero.

    Inaccurate contrived headlines engineered to create controversy don't change the actual history of what was printed and spoken. They just don't.

    Go ahead, don't take my word for it -- check me. Come back with quotes.

    Rotsa ruck.
     
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    "Thanks, I won't need that..."
    Au contraire.

    You see, here is your problem.....

    You seem to be demanding that he read an actual proposal to ban guns.

    The same as the Leftists claiming that the words 'Death Panel" didn't appear in the ObamaCare legislation.....so it was false to claim the concept wan't there.

    It is.


    Now, you seem unable to bridge the same kind of chasm.
    What do you suppose he was talking about?

    Guns!
    Very good.


    And was he endorsing the ownership of same?
    No!!!
    Double good!


    Here we go: what do you think the take-away from his rant was, as far as gun ownership is concerned?



    Get it now, possum?
     
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    “If Jovan Belcher didn’t possess a gun, he and Kasandra Perkins would both be alive today.”


    Lamenting gun ownership isn't a call for greater restriction?

    Really?
     
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    No, I demand nothing but reading comprehension (fat lot of good that does though). Rather, you seem to be demanding to read ideas that are not there and never were.

    Uh :confused: -- exactly what he said they both were talking about: the gun culture. The wild west mentality. We don't need to reinvent what was already written and spoken to suit some agenda nobody brought up. A mentality is not a gun. It's not a physical object at all. A mentality is an attitude. That's what sports calls an "intangible". It's not something you can legislate, and not something specified anywhere in the Constitution. Deal with it.

    Even Bill O'Reilly gets this. He tries to bring in the tired old guilt-by-association fallacy but by the end (9:35) even Bill O'Reilly concedes that Costas has been rhetorically railroaded.

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    Sometimes one needs to be able to put two and two together....

    ...if someone said "there's a dead bird...."

    ...would you be looking up?



    BTW....did you happen to graduate from a government school?
     
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    Once again, the word "own" isn't there. And in this case ownership is irrelevant. It matters not a whit whether Jovan Belcher legally owned the gun, illegally owned it or stole it; the end result is the same. More evidence that maybe both commentaries are actually about what they said they were about and not about some attached fantasy.

    Here's the deal, and addressing the whole "he could have done it with a knife" fallacy:

    The choice of what weapon was used is not the point. That fallacy presumes that a murder/suicide is planned out and contemplated in a rational progression: Step one, identify goal; step two, plan how to accomplish goal. Which in this case would be Goal: kill Kasandra; Method: gun.

    But that's not how murder/suicide works. It's not a rational act and that's not how it's contemplated -- if it's contemplated at all. The progression of an emotional-based, irrational act is more along the lines of Step one: "I'm pissed at that bitch; Step two, "there's my gun"; Step three, "BLAM". That's not a rational progression.

    So what Whitlock and Costas are both saying is that Step Two "there's my gun" is too culturally exalted, too ready to shoot from the hip, to be a healthy productive dynamic in the society.

    Nothing in any of that says anything about what the laws are, or should be. Because that was not their topic. I'm afraid the entire OP list of counterarguments was an exercise in futility, refuting points that nobody made.

    Strawman shot to death.
    Oops, pardon me, bludgeoned to death with a baseball bat.
     

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