Living the good life off of government benefits

[EdwardBaiamonte]

You actually believe social aid assistance ought to be left to the people to assist other people in need?

Yes. And to the degree that we are decent, compassionate society we will.

Except that, historically, people don't behave in that way.

of course they behave better than government which has killed millions and millions, historicially, and turned welfare programs into crippling treasonous vote buying schemes

 

[Dragonlady]

of course they behave better than government which has killed millions and millions, historicially, and turned welfare programs into crippling treasonous vote buying schemes

Since the Republicans took power, more than 1/3 of the wealth that was held by middle class and working class Americans has been transferred to the top 5% of Americans. Instead of looking upward at those who really are fleecing you, you're looking down at those they took EVERYTHING from and cursing them the pittance they're left with instead of a living wage.

Of course that's who Friedman and the Republicans have been blaming for their deficits since Reagan. The Republicans have become so corrupt, that there are now charges that Karl Rove funnelled millions of PAC contributions during the campaign back to his private consulting firm. Rove isn't the only high ranking Republican to "sell" his personal mailing list to his PAC for millions. Newt Gingerich did the same.

If they'd sell out their own cause for profit, you don't think they'd sell out their own country for a few million?

 

[Meathead]

of course they behave better than government which has killed millions and millions, historicially, and turned welfare programs into crippling treasonous vote buying schemes

Since the Republicans took power, more than 1/3 of the wealth that was held by middle class and working class Americans has been transferred to the top 5% of Americans. Instead of looking upward at those who really are fleecing you, you're looking down at those they took EVERYTHING from and cursing them the pittance they're left with instead of a living wage.

Of course that's who Friedman and the Republicans have been blaming for their deficits since Reagan. The Republicans have become so corrupt, that there are now charges that Karl Rove funnelled millions of PAC contributions during the campaign back to his private consulting firm. Rove isn't the only high ranking Republican to "sell" his personal mailing list to his PAC for millions. Newt Gingerich did the same.

If they'd sell out their own cause for profit, you don't think they'd sell out their own country for a few million?

Are you this vacuous in your personal life? Do you bore the crap out of strangers mere minutes after meeting them?

Sounds like the beginning of an advertisement, I know. Unfortunately, there is no product for your condition. It is clearly something you must deal with internally. I am sorry.

 

[JoeB131]

When large corporations like Walmart encourage workers to work part time in order to save on employee benefit costs, and encouraging workers to apply for food stamps, instead of paying people a minimum wage, I think that corporate America has already proven that they are neither fair nor compassionate. In other words, corporate America has to be forced to do the right thing.

perfectly stupid and liberal of course!! With that logic you could blame corporations for all the poverty in the world. All they have to do is pay enough and world poverty is history- right!!

Here's Econ 101 for you. Under Republican capitalism a corporation must have the lowest price and best quality or its customers send it into bankruptcy. And, it must provide the higest pay possible or its workers leave to work for others who pay more and again bankruptcy results.

America has the most capitalism(described above) and the best jobs and the best products. Now even you can see how Republican capitalism made America the richest country in human history.

We don't have the best products. That's the point, dumbass. Some things we don't even make here anymore and frankly, if you want quality, you buy Japanese.

Here's the problem. Because the focus in our economy has become making a few rich assholes richer, what you have are people turning to government to get what they SHOULD get as part of their compensation package. And then they vote for Democrats.

That Republicans don't get this is the scary part. They'll just whine about Obama giving out "Free stuff".

 

[dblack]

You actually believe social aid assistance ought to be left to the people to assist other people in need?

Yes. And to the degree that we are decent, compassionate society we will.

Except that, historically, people don't behave in that way.

Sure they do. We'd have died out long ago if the hadn't. By and large people are decent. And if they're not, if we don't care enough about each other to suffice - will forcing it with government really change that?

 

[Polk]

The only think we need to not die out is for people to reach productive age. There isn't any evolutionary advantage to taking care of the old and severely disabled. My goal isn't to force people to care about each other. It's to provide for those in need.

 

[JQPublic1]

Yes. And to the degree that we are decent, compassionate society we will.

Except that, historically, people don't behave in that way.

Sure they do. We'd have died out long ago if the hadn't. By and large people are decent. And if they're not, if we don't care enough about each other to suffice - will forcing it with government really change that?

Considering the positive effects of past Civil Rights legislation and the Voting Rights Act, I'd say that government intervention has done wonders for millions of formerly disenfranchised women and men!

 

[Dragonlady]

Compassion cannot be legislated as we can see from these threads where people disdain the poor and blame them for their situation. That doesn't mean we can't enforce fairness in treatment by the powerful to the powerless.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Considering the positive effects of past Civil Rights legislation and the Voting Rights Act, I'd say that government intervention has done wonders for millions of formerly disenfranchised women and men!

Too stupid and 100% liberal!! Civil Rights and voting rights did no good whatsoever since most of the newly enfranchised voted liberal and thus against their best interests. Blacks where the primary target of the legislation.It amounted to a near genocide featuring most young black men in jail, the black family destroyed, and kids born into broken impoverished homes.

Is that really over a liberal's head???

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

There isn't any evolutionary advantage to taking care of the old and severely disabled.

too stupid!! the old have knowledge and wisdom, and at worst, experience. For example, the old can remember when America was a conservative safe place, when you didn't have to lock your door at night against liberalism. That experience is priceless.

Remember when Reagan said we were always just one generation away from pure barbarism. Well, the old, those from a previous generation, can teach us that the current sickening liberal reality is not the only option. Conservative 1950's Republican America was actually a safe place where people respected each other and left their doors open.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Staph, you still don't get it, do you?

Once upon a time, Americans had good union jobs and they got all these things themselves. Wives could stay home with the kids because their Husbands earned good paychecks.

And the Plutocrats decided this was just horrible, because they didn't have enough money for Dressage Horsies. So they busted up the unions, they m oved those good manufacturing jobs to third world shitholes, they got "right to work" and "At Will" employment so they could fire people easily whenever there was a recession and hire people who'd work for less.

But here was the thing... working folks and poor folks didn't just obediently starve so their Plutocratic Masters could have more Dressage Ponies.

They voted for programs so they could keep eating. They became Democrats.

And this is the tragedy of the whole thing. You did this to yourselves.

Once upon that time, one out of two families had a T.V. and it was Black and White. The same number had a car - virtually no one had two cars and the idea the each family member would have their own automobile was unheard of. A 3 minute telephone call from Los Angeles to New York cost 2 hours worth of work at minimum wage. Potatoes, rice and beans were the major diet of the middle class. Steak was a couple times a year treat. The house shared by the family would generally be a 1200 square ft 3 bedroom with a single bath, not the 3500 sq ft McMansion that defines current housing.

You see comrade Stalin, you communist spin fantastical tales of Workers uniting and how wonderful it all was.

Only problem is that you're lying.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The only think we need to not die out is for people to reach productive age. There isn't any evolutionary advantage to taking care of the old and severely disabled. My goal isn't to force people to care about each other. It's to provide for those in need.

Do you support our rulers mercifully killing the elderly and sick when they are no longer of use to the state?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

And the Plutocrats decided this was just horrible, because they didn't have enough money for Dressage Horsies. So they busted up the unions, .

too stupid but 100% liberal. The unions busted themselves up by pricing themselves out of the market! If many companies did not move to China and elsewhere off shore they would have gone bankrupt against lower cost competition from all over the world. The unions gave our companies no choice.

 

[Uncensored2008]

And the Plutocrats decided this was just horrible, because they didn't have enough money for Dressage Horsies. So they busted up the unions, .

too stupid but 100% liberal. The unions busted themselves up by pricing themselves out of the market! If many companies did not move to China and elsewhere off shore they would have gone bankrupt against lower cost competition from all over the world. The unions gave our companies no choice.

What you attributed to me, was not written by me.

Knock it off.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

And the Plutocrats decided this was just horrible, because they didn't have enough money for Dressage Horsies. So they busted up the unions, .

too stupid but 100% liberal. The unions busted themselves up by pricing themselves out of the market! If many companies did not move to China and elsewhere off shore they would have gone bankrupt against lower cost competition from all over the world. The unions gave our companies no choice.

What you attributed to me, was not written by me.

Knock it off.

sorry

 

[Dragonlady]

Too stupid and 100% liberal!! Civil Rights and voting rights did no good whatsoever since most of the newly enfranchised voted liberal and thus against their best interests. Blacks where the primary target of the legislation.It amounted to a near genocide featuring most young black men in jail, the black family destroyed, and kids born into broken impoverished homes.

Is that really over a liberal's head???

No but it's clearly over your head. I think the fact that there is now a black President of the United States pretty much puts the lie to any notion that the Civil Rights Act did no good whatsoever, unless of course, you're a racist biggot who thinks that giving black people and women the vote destroyed America.

And of they're going to vote Democrat because, unlike poor white people, they have the good sense to know that voting Republican only benefits the wealthy.

As for your tales of a black genocide, what about a thriving black middle class. What about the numbers of bright black people who made it out of the ghettos and into a normal middle class life.

Poverty, crime and lack of opportunity destroyed black families. Systemic racism, and lack of meaningful opportunities, and government policies which allowed poisonous drugs to flow into urban ghettos.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

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I think the fact that there is now a black President of the United States pretty much puts the lie to any notion that the Civil Rights Act did no good whatsoever,

like that makes up for the near genocidal attack on blacks in general, an attack that put most black young men in jail, destroyed the black family, and insured black kids would be born into broken impoverished homes.

See why we say slow, so very very slow??? What other conclusion is possible???

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

voting Republican only benefits the wealthy.

dear, 23 million, not wealthy people, are unemployed under Obama. Did you know he is a Democrat??????


See why we say slow, so very very slow???????????

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

As for your tales of a black genocide, what about a thriving black middle class. What about the numbers of bright black people who made it out of the ghettos and into a normal middle class life.

very few actually and that hardly makes up for the liberal genocide which sent more black men to jail than there were slaves in 1860!!

Slow?????????

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

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Poverty, crime and lack of opportunity destroyed black families. Systemic racism, and lack of meaningful opportunities, and government policies which allowed poisonous drugs to flow into urban ghettos.

too stupid, liberal, and 100% illiterate as always!!!

Even in the antebellum era, when slaves often weren’t permitted to wed, most black children lived with a biological mother and father. During Reconstruction and up until the 1940s, 75% to 85% of black children lived in two-parent families. Today, more than 70% of black children are born to single women. “The welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery couldn’t do, what Jim Crow couldn’t do, what the harshest racism couldn’t do,” Mr. Williams says. “And that is to destroy the black family

The black family survived centuries of slavery and generations of Jim Crow, but it has disintegrated in the wake of the liberals' expansion of the welfare state. Most black children grew up in homes with two parents during all that time but most grow up with only one parent today.

Liberals have pushed affirmative action, supposedly for the benefit of blacks and other minorities. But two recent factual studies show that affirmative action in college admissions has led to black students with every qualification for success being artificially turned into failures by being mismatched with colleges for the sake of racial body count.

The two most recent books that show this with hard facts are "Mismatch" by Richard Sander and Stuart Taylor, Jr., and "Wounds That Will Not Heal" by Russell K. Nieli. My own book "Affirmative Action Around the World" shows the same thing with different evidence.



Thus began an unprecedented commitment of federal funds to a wide range of measures aimed at redistributing wealth in the United States.[1] From 1965 to 2008, nearly $16 trillion of taxpayer money (in constant 2008 dollars) was spent onmeans-tested welfare programs for the poor.

The economic milieu in which the War on Poverty arose is noteworthy. As of 1965, the number of Americans living below the official poverty line had been declining continuously since the beginning of the decade and was only about half of what it had been fifteen years earlier. Between 1950 and 1965, the proportion of people whose earnings put them below the poverty level, had decreased by more than 30%. The black poverty rate had been cut nearly in half between 1940 and 1960. In various skilled trades during the period of 1936-59, the incomes of blacks relative to whites had more than doubled. Further, the representation of blacks in professional and other high-level occupations grew more quickly during the five years preceding the launch of the War on Poverty than during the five years thereafter.

Despite these trends, the welfare state expanded dramatically after LBJ's statement. Between the mid-Sixties and the mid-Seventies, the dollar value of public housing quintupled and the amount spent on food stamps rose more than tenfold. From 1965 to 1969, government-provided benefits increased by a factor of 8; by 1974 such benefits were an astounding 20 times higher than they had been in 1965. Alsoas of 1974, federal spending on social-welfare programs amounted to 16% of America’s Gross National Product, a far cry from the 8% figure of 1960. By 1977 the number of people receiving public assistance had more than doubled since 1960.


The most devastating by-product of the mushrooming welfare state was the corrosive effect it had (along with powerful cultural phenomena such as the feminist and Black Power movements) on American family life, particularly in the black community.
 As provisions in welfare laws offered ever-increasing economic incentives for shunning marriage and avoiding the formation of two-parent families, illegitimacy rates rose dramatically.

The calamitous breakdown of the black family is a comparatively recent phenomenon, coinciding precisely with the rise of the welfare state. Throughout the epoch of slavery and into the early decades of the twentieth century, most black children grew up in two-parent households.
 Post-Civil War studies revealed that most black couples in their forties had been together for at least twenty years. In southern urban areas around 1880, nearly three-fourths of black households were husband-or father-present; in southern rural settings, the figure approached 86%. As of 1940, the illegitimacy rate among blacks nationwide was approximately 15%—scarcely one-fifth of the current figure.
 As late as 1950, black women were more likely to be married than white women, and only 9% of black families with children were headed by a single parent.

During the nine decades between the Emancipation Proclamation and the 1950s, the black family remained a strong, stable institution. Its cataclysmic destruction was subsequently set in motion by such policies as the anti-marriage incentives that are built into the welfare system have served only to exacerbate the problem. As George Mason University professor Walter E. Williams puts it: “The welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery couldn't do, what Jim Crow couldn't do, what the harshest racism couldn't do. And that is to destroy the black family.” Hoover Institution Fellow Thomas Sowell concurs: “The black family, which had survived centuries of slavery and discrimination, began rapidly disintegrating in the liberal welfare state that subsidized unwed pregnancy and changed welfare from an emergency rescue to a way of life.”