Libya Goes Islamic And We Helped Pave The Way

So, Republicans are giving all the credit for toppling Khadaffi to the French and the British.

So why are you now trying to blame Obama if regime change results in a radical Islamic state?

Problem the same reason Democrats
take all the credit for Iraq now
:eusa_whistle:

The Republicans are attacking Obama for getting out of Iraq.

Not the getting out but the how

you really need to get some better talking points
 
So, Republicans are giving all the credit for toppling Khadaffi to the French and the British.

So why are you now trying to blame Obama if regime change results in a radical Islamic state?

Nato started running out of bombs in the first week.

Who do you think resupplied them?

Also, it wouldn't take much for me to find out if my old unit here at Ft Campbell had teams training the rebels.

My guess they did under orders from Obama.

So you acknowledge that people like Marco Rubio are full of shit and lying through their teeth when they claim that the credit goes to the French and British?

Okay.

Ohhhhhh, so Rubio is the target de jore?

If anything you folks are predictable.

I think the UK and the French did the heavy lifting but without our support things would be different in Libya.
 
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No matter how obama wants to spin this, it was a British and French operation. In fact, if you want to back to the beginning of American involvement, obama said it was a British-French led NATO action with minimal American participation.

Obama

Such a reading of the Libyan adventure must rely on ignoring numerous unpleasant facts. Despite the implication that Obama assembled this coalition and thus deserves credit for it, in fact he was dragged into Libya by France and England.

Winning over Obama was key moment in securing Libya no-fly zone | World news | The Guardian

When, earlier this week, Britain and France tabled a draft resolution for initial discussion at the UN on imposing a no-fly zone it was seen as an act of desperation, a throw of the dice. Britain had no clear view of how Barack Obama would fall, but decided there was no alternative but to force the pace.

Tom In Paine: In Libya France takes the lead, Obama goes to Brazil

In Libya France takes the lead, Obama goes to Brazil

Even before the U.N. passed its resolution authorizing any means necessary to prevent Gadaffi from killing his own people in response to the rebel uprising, French president Sarkozy had ordered French fighter jets into Libya.

obama coming in now, after the fact, to take credit is not going to endear him to the real players. obama is a pesky fly who is no doubt becoming more irritating by the day.
 
..... Thanks to the wisdom of Barrack Hussein Obama we can count another country to be added to the list of fledgling theocracies.

Democrats are worried about the GOP installing a theocratic government here, but Obama is helping install them all over the Middle East.

Pretty soon every country in that region will be an enemy of the U.S. and of Israel.

..... To you liberals.......we told you so.:eusa_whistle:

You see victory yet we're losing the war on terror and paying for it with U.S. dollars.

Idiots.
Obama could have allowed Gadafhi to murder 1000's of innocent civilians or continued providing support to a host of unpopular right-wing dictators in North Africa and the Middle East!

The problem is that such approaches have already been tried with the Shah of Iran and Saddam in Iraq by former Administrations - and America is still living with the consequences of some misguided decisions made 60 years ago.

The reality is that America is no longer in a position to continue imposing dictatorships who may be friendly to the US, but increasingly unpopular with their own people!

Yeah, that Iranian deal worked out real well for us.
 
No matter how obama wants to spin this, it was a British and French operation. In fact, if you want to back to the beginning of American involvement, obama said it was a British-French led NATO action with minimal American participation.

Obama

Such a reading of the Libyan adventure must rely on ignoring numerous unpleasant facts. Despite the implication that Obama assembled this coalition and thus deserves credit for it, in fact he was dragged into Libya by France and England.

Winning over Obama was key moment in securing Libya no-fly zone | World news | The Guardian

So?
When, earlier this week, Britain and France tabled a draft resolution for initial discussion at the UN on imposing a no-fly zone it was seen as an act of desperation, a throw of the dice. Britain had no clear view of how Barack Obama would fall, but decided there was no alternative but to force the pace.

Tom In Paine: In Libya France takes the lead, Obama goes to Brazil

In Libya France takes the lead, Obama goes to Brazil

Even before the U.N. passed its resolution authorizing any means necessary to prevent Gadaffi from killing his own people in response to the rebel uprising, French president Sarkozy had ordered French fighter jets into Libya.

obama coming in now, after the fact, to take credit is not going to endear him to the real players. obama is a pesky fly who is no doubt becoming more irritating by the day.

So?
 
Uhhhh, not their government.:cuckoo:

Islam has always been the official religion of the state, even under Gaddafi, every Muslim country is this way.

Turkey is legally secular via their Constitution
though one does have to wonder how that works in reality

That will change via democracy and perhaps another democratic revolution if the government refuses to change the Constitution.

More than Half in Turkey Oppose Non-Muslim Religious Meetings

ISTANBUL, December 4 (CDN) — More than half of the population of Muslim-majority Turkey opposes members of other religions holding meetings or publishing materials to explain their faith, according to a recently issued survey.

Fully 59 percent of those surveyed said non-Muslims either “should not” or “absolutely should not” be allowed to hold open meetings where they can discuss their ideas. Fifty-four percent said non-Muslims either “should not” or “absolutely should not” be allowed to publish literature that describes their faith.

The survey also found that almost 40 percent of the population of Turkey said they had “very negative” or “negative” views of Christians. In the random survey, 60 percent of those polled said there is one true religion; over 90 percent of the population of Turkey is Sunni Muslim.
 
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Obama Akbar......

Thanks to the wisdom of Barrack Hussein Obama we can count another country to be added to the list of fledgling theocracies.

Democrats are worried about the GOP installing a theocratic government here, but Obama is helping install them all over the Middle East.

Pretty soon every country in that region will be an enemy of the U.S. and of Israel.

New Rulers In Libya Installing Sharia Law

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The transitional government leader Mustafa Abdul-Jalil set out a vision for the post-Gadhafi future with an Islamist tint, saying that Islamic Sharia law would be the "basic source" of legislation in the country and that existing laws that contradict the teachings of Islam would be nullified. In a gesture that showed his own piety, he urged Libyans not to express their joy by firing in the air, but rather to chant "Allahu Akbar," or God is Great. He then stepped aside and knelt to offer a brief prayer of thanks.

"This revolution was looked after by God to achieve victory," he told the crowd at the declaration ceremony in the eastern city of Benghazi, the birthplace of the uprising against Gadhafi began. He thanked those who fell in the fight against Gadhafi's forces. "This revolution began peacefully to demand the minimum of legitimate rights, but it was met by excessive violence."
Libya's transitional leader declares liberation - Yahoo! News

To you liberals.......we told you so.:eusa_whistle:

You see victory yet we're losing the war on terror and paying for it with U.S. dollars.

Idiots.
Saudi Arabia, Dubai, UAE, and other countries in the middle east have sharia law.....and that's not a problem for us.

We're not responsible for keeping sharia law from being implemented everywhere.
 
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Problem the same reason Democrats
take all the credit for Iraq now
:eusa_whistle:

The Republicans are attacking Obama for getting out of Iraq.

Not the getting out but the how

you really need to get some better talking points

He's getting out in accordance with the Status of Forces agreement signed by Bush in 2008.

Article 24—Withdrawal of the United States Forces from Iraq

Recognizing the performance and increasing capacity of the Iraqi Security Forces, the assumption of full security responsibility by those Forces, and based upon the strong relationship between the Parties, an agreement on the following has been reached:

1.All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011.


You're an idiot, btw.

Status of Forces Agreement, 2008 - Wikisource
 
The Republicans are attacking Obama for getting out of Iraq.

Not the getting out but the how

you really need to get some better talking points

He's getting out in accordance with the Status of Forces agreement signed by Bush in 2008.

Article 24—Withdrawal of the United States Forces from Iraq

Recognizing the performance and increasing capacity of the Iraqi Security Forces, the assumption of full security responsibility by those Forces, and based upon the strong relationship between the Parties, an agreement on the following has been reached:

1.All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011.


You're an idiot, btw.

Status of Forces Agreement, 2008 - Wikisource


idiot coming from you really means something


Again, using radical left wing blogs and the MSM as your only news source does
make you sound any smarter

Again, it is a question of how not when

For example, granted it is not the NYT telling you that everything Papa Obama
does is great
:eusa_whistle:


How the Obama administration bungled the Iraq withdrawal negotiations



The Obama administration is claiming it always intended to withdraw all U.S. troops from Iraq by the end of this year, in line with the president's announcement today, but in fact several parts of the administration appeared to try hard to negotiate a deal for thousands of troops to remain -- and failed.

Sullivan was one of 40 conservative foreign policy professionals who wrote to Obama in September to warn that even a residual force of 4,000 troops would "leave the country more vulnerable to internal and external threats, thus imperiling the hard-fought gains in security and governance made in recent years at significant cost to the United States."

She said that the administration's negotiating strategy was flawed for a number of reasons: it failed to take into account Iraqi politics, failed to reach out to a broad enough group of Iraqi political leaders, and sent contradictory messages on the troop extension throughout the process.

"From the beginning, the talks unfolded in a way where they largely driven by domestic political concerns, both in Washington and Baghdad. Both sides let politics drive the process, rather than security concerns," said Sullivan.
 
The Republicans are attacking Obama for getting out of Iraq.

Not the getting out but the how

you really need to get some better talking points

He's getting out in accordance with the Status of Forces agreement signed by Bush in 2008.

Article 24—Withdrawal of the United States Forces from Iraq

Recognizing the performance and increasing capacity of the Iraqi Security Forces, the assumption of full security responsibility by those Forces, and based upon the strong relationship between the Parties, an agreement on the following has been reached:

1.All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011.


You're an idiot, btw.

Status of Forces Agreement, 2008 - Wikisource
That whole agreement did not take into account the possibility that US forces would lose their immunity from prosecution.

The Iraqiis want us gone, and most Americans want us gone.
 
Not the getting out but the how

you really need to get some better talking points

He's getting out in accordance with the Status of Forces agreement signed by Bush in 2008.

Article 24—Withdrawal of the United States Forces from Iraq

Recognizing the performance and increasing capacity of the Iraqi Security Forces, the assumption of full security responsibility by those Forces, and based upon the strong relationship between the Parties, an agreement on the following has been reached:

1.All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011.


You're an idiot, btw.

Status of Forces Agreement, 2008 - Wikisource
That whole agreement did not take into account the possibility that US forces would lose their immunity from prosecution.

The Iraqiis want us gone, and most Americans want us gone.


shhh

the NYT tells them that Papa Obama is great and can do no wrong
they must be right
:lol:
 
Not the getting out but the how

you really need to get some better talking points

He's getting out in accordance with the Status of Forces agreement signed by Bush in 2008.

Article 24—Withdrawal of the United States Forces from Iraq

Recognizing the performance and increasing capacity of the Iraqi Security Forces, the assumption of full security responsibility by those Forces, and based upon the strong relationship between the Parties, an agreement on the following has been reached:

1.All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011.


You're an idiot, btw.

Status of Forces Agreement, 2008 - Wikisource


idiot coming from you really means something


Again, using radical left wing blogs and the MSM as your only news source does
make you sound any smarter

My source was the actual text of actual Status of Forces Agreement actually signed by Bush.
 
You were supposed to wait til the BO Admin hung up the "Mission Accomplished" banner.

Oh well.. Sharia law IS their culture. Probably SHOULD be the backbone of their civil law. It's just the arrogance of Americans to EXPECT that something different would be their choice.

Now the test will be how INDEPENDENT they are from radical Islamic causes like the Brotherhood, or Hamas, or Hezbollah.. I don't care if they stone people rather than use lethal injection.. I DO care if they align with sworn enemies of my country..

Sharia law isn't their culture whatsoever. Wow. I think you just registered 10 on the richter scale of dumb fucks who don't understand Islam whatsoever.

Oh and by the way, you don't care if they stone people? You must be a moron or seriously drinking/injecting or snorting something here.

Do you know what stoning a person to death entails? You don't do you? You're just popping off in a forum.

And what arrogance of Americans? See I know what you are when you post like a little rat, like a little pig.

When you post like that you are caught out because you can't resist yourself. Actually if you had been following American boards, you would realize conservative Americans knew from the get go all of the Arab Spring bullshit was exactly that.

Show me one democracy and one election since the Arab Spring movement started....
waiting.

You can't show me can you?

:lol:

And I caught you out. You are not an American.

Well it's ARROGANCE exactly like YOU have displayed in this thread. Especially when you reveal that you are working for Islamic "women's rights". THAT would be attempting to dictate to their culture. The idea that by MILITARY FORCE this country is gonna IMPOSE Western style values and democracy on these people is ARROGANT and dangerous. YOU are not American if that is your agenda to franchise Western values in every 3rd world hell hole with missiles raining down.

Of COURSE Islam and Sharia law is part of the Arab culture in Libya. Only a moron would deny that. In fact -- there is polling to show that the MAJORITY of Arab women in the Arab World are PROUD of their Islamic role in their society.

You must have missed the Primary quote from the OP..

The transitional government leader Mustafa Abdul-Jalil set out a vision for the post-Gadhafi future with an Islamist tint, saying that Islamic Sharia law would be the "basic source" of legislation in the country and that existing laws that contradict the teachings of Islam would be nullified.

Show me a POLL where the MAJORITY of Libyans are AGAINST this!!!!!!!!!

Take your American Militarized Imperialism and shove it up your heiny.......
 
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