Liberals Aren’t Liking This Newly-Discovered Photo Of The 1924 Democratic Convention…

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    By the way I looked up Google Maps to tell me how far it is from Madison Square Garden (where the actual Democratic convention really was) to Long Branch New Jersey (where the Klan had its 'picnic'). If you're driving today it takes over an hour, 55 to 60 miles. How long it would take in 1924, I don't know -- you could double or triple it. And that's the closest the Klan got to the convention, and it was gone well before the convention was concluded.
     
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    Anyone who has trouble accepting Snopes in general is deserving of getting a RPFLMAO!!!

    The fake news image of the OP is the caliber of crap the far right dishes out but can't take without crying.

    I like this OP because it reveals the Trumpers and their supporters simply cannot come up with honest material, so the make up alt facts and use lying news.
     
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    Off the topic I know, but I looked in anyway out of curiosity.

    First line of the blurb:

    >> Not since 1860 have the Democrats so fanatically refused to accept the result of a free election. That year, their target was Lincoln. They smeared him. They went to war to defeat him. In the end, they assassinated him. <<​

    :laugh2:

    Ah, so it's fantasy fiction.


    Apparently the filmmaker is counting on the public to not know that in 1860 the Democrat, who ran on a platform of keeping the union intact, came in last, carrying one (1) state and being shut out in the South, that nobody of the four candidates in that election 'refused to accept' it; that after that election that losing Democrat went on a speaking tour to try to stave off the secession and when that failed, advised Lincoln to increase his military presence and that the seceders could not be trusted; that once the various states seceded the Confederacy abolished political parties altogether; and that Lincoln's military governor in Tennessee and then his VP who took over after his death, was a Democrat, as was a large contingent of Lincoln's support in the North -- the ones who were not Republicans.

    Fake news comes to the movies. And appropriately it's named after another fake history comes to the movies movie.

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    Then you need to correct History, who states that it was CONFEDERATES who created the group:

    "Founding of the Ku Klux Klan
    A group including many former Confederate veterans founded the first branch of the Ku Klux Klan as a social club in Pulaski, Tennessee, in 1866. The first two words of the organization’s name supposedly derived from the Greek word “kyklos,” meaning circle. In the summer of 1867, local branches of the Klan met in a general organizing convention and established what they called an “Invisible Empire of the South.” Leading Confederate general Nathan Bedford Forrest was chosen as the first leader, or “grand wizard,” of the Klan; he presided over a hierarchy of grand dragons, grand titans and grand cyclopses."

    It was REPUBLICAN President Grant and other Republicans who tried to shut down the KKK:

    Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871 was passed by Republicans.

    "This expansion of federal authority–which Ulysses S. Grant promptly used in 1871 to crush Klan activity in South Carolina and other areas of the South–outraged Democrats and even alarmed many Republicans. From the early 1870s onward, white supremacy gradually reasserted its hold on the South as support for Reconstruction waned; by the end of 1876, the entire South was under Democratic control once again."
     
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    More or less accurate although the year was 1865 (Christmas) and the group of "many" was specifically six in number, twentysomething vets whose names are all known. They modeled what was basically conceived as a college fraternity after a popular fraternity of the time called Kuklos Adelphon and the silly rituals, alliterative terms and costumes were soon taken over by regional vigilante "night riders" who formed at least two dozen such groups around the occupied former Confederacy. Forrest, who was not present in the beginning stages, was drafted in absentia in 1867 and his first and only General Order No. 1 ordered the organization disbanded and its regalia destroyed, though that order was largely ignored as Forrest had been a figurehead. By the early 1870s it was toast and took its place in the anals of history.

    That's in effect a different Klan from the one pictured in the OP, which was far larger, far more widespread and lasted much longer than the original, which modeled itself after the movie stylings of Birth of a Nation (e.g. the cross burnings which were a D.W. Griffith invention) and was founded in 1915 by an opportunist looking to make money from selling memberships by making the Klan of the movie into a real thing. Racism spurred by the Cult of the Lost Cause, which also produced Birth of a Nation (1915) as well as the novel "The Clansman" that it was based on (1905), was rampant at the time, as was xenophobia, antisemitism and antiCatholicism, all of which became Klan targets along with alcohol, adultery, "loose women" and people who didn't go to church. Neither the six 1865 founders nor Simmons the 1915 founder had any known political affiliations, though SImmons had been a Methodist minister.

    Both of those Klans operated independent of political party affiliation since their impetus was social structure rather than political power for its own sake. Once Simmons lost control of his Klan, a victim of his own success in proliferating it, the KKK started working, especially through the 1920s, to support sympathetic politicians and oppose unsympathetic ones, be they Republicans, Democrats or unaffiliated. That meant Democrats in the South, Republicans in the midwest and the west. Maine for example was as solidly Republican as the South was Democratic, so being nominated by the Republican Party in Maine was tantamount to election just as being nominated as the Democratic candidate in Georgia. Ergo both the pro- and anti- Klan forces were affiliated with the same political party in each state. In Georgia, Talmadge (Democrat) supported the Klan while Arnall (Democrat) opposed it (and shut it down). In Maine Brewster (Republican) supported the KKK while Baxter (Republican) opposed it. So all this amateur jockeying to put political party uniforms on the Klan as if some kind of elemental causation deliberately ignores the history and context they lived in.

    The Klan in the OP is, obviously, the 1915-founded one, in the peak year of its reach, which was coast-to-coast and numbered in the millions. Though the errant Wisconsin trolley tracks photo has nothing to do with any political convention, it did seek to influence both political parties' conventions that year, to little effective result in either case. It's become "fashionable" to conflate a Klan picnic sixty miles away with the Democratic convention and claim it was called "Klanbake" but all the evidence indicates that's yet another 21st century internet historical revision. The OP and his careless conflation of a December day on Wisconsin trolley tracks with a political convention five months earlier and a thousand miles away, indicates just how recklessly partisan hacks will present their hackery expecting the gullible to line up to buy it. Just as "Colonel Joe" Simmons in 1915 expected gullibles to line up to buy his new Klan.


    What's ultimately interesting in all of this in the sense of rhetorical analysis is how these same revisionists want to take this clearly Christian terrorist organization and ignore its religious foundations, painting them over with contrived political party ones, while at the same time taking clearly political terrorist organizations e.g. al Qaeda, ignore their political foundations and paint them over with contrived religious ones. As I like to say after the old MasterCard commercial --- "Having it both ways: Priceless".
     
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