Liberal Intellectual Elite ("LIE")

[geauxtohell]

I've repeatedly asked one of you what makes her qualified to determine what's in my best interests as she insists. She steadfastly refuses to answer.

Have you never thought that other people should act more like you act, believe more like you believe, support more of what you support? Have you never thought you had a superior view on an issue than someone else? Have you never wanted to elect people who would impose laws on the people of this country even though they might not agree with those laws?

If I have, and I articulate it, I have a damn good reason why. NOTE: "Just because I say so" isn't a good reason.

My primary concern is my family. If what's good for my family also benefits you, yay.

So, admittedly, the thing you are griping about is okay when you have a "damn good reason why" and it involves your family.

On the same vein as what you were griping about; who are you to say what is good for your family is good for me?

 

[NYcarbineer]

actually alpha, i willingly concede the fact that the ideologies of the two major political parties have not remained constant over the years. I willingly concede that, prior to the mid-twentieth century - about the time that I was born - had I been born a generation earlier, I would have probably been a republican for not other reason than the democratic party's position on race. But what you fail to concede is that, in the last half of the last century, and the first decade of THIS century, the parties have slowly shifted their ideological focus. You are more than willing to stand up and scream about the faults of the democrats of the past, but, concurrently, you are perfectly willing to let the balls of the republicans of the present rest gently on your chin while you smile and nod your head.

The last half of the last century and the first decade of this includes....

The Democrats opposition to civil rights...

The Democrats adoration of the their admitted Grand Cyclops of the KKK, who as late of 2001 was still using the term '******' with impunity.....

The atomic bomb on a beaten population and concentration camps in American

The Vietnam war...forgotten...the only war we lost because of draft dodgers and stoned liberals...including a certain Pres. Bill Clinton and Sen. Kerry

and I was a Democrat in the era of JFK and Johnson, until I looked at things from a different perspective....the perspective that still frowns upon Socialism and Communism....but not against charity and helping the helpless....individual responsibility instead of "it takes a village" attitude....

So while your politics might have changed, mine actually did....my values may be set in stone but never my politics....hardly a partisans mindset....

If the term n***** is so offensive, why do you keep using it?

And how many conservatives around here do you think agree with you that we should not have dropped the bomb on the Japanese?

 

[daveman]

and again Dave...it is not bigoted to state the facts concerning the leftward shift in public opinion that has occured over the past century. To deny it is ridiculous.

You can pretend that liberals are responsible for all the good in the world, and conservatives are responsible for all the evil -- but you just look like an idiot when you do.

I am not bigoted...you're just thick as a brick.

Of course you're bigoted against conservatives. But you refuse to take responsibility for yourself, and instead assign blame to me.

How's that workin' out for ya?

 

[daveman]

So, admittedly, the thing you are griping about is okay when you have a "damn good reason why" and it involves your family.

On the same vein as what you were griping about; who are you to say what is good for your family is good for me?

I never claimed it was. I said if it benefits you, that's just gravy. I have my family to take care of. I'm not responsible for yours. And you're not responsible for mine.

So stop pretending you are.

 

[maineman]

and alpha1... unlike you, I will admit when I have erred. I had always thought that during Byrd's brief two year association with the KKK, he had only reached the position of kleagle. But, in fact, he had become the exalted cyclops for his local klavern. Nonetheless, he quit the klan after only two years and his life's journey saw him come to renounce the racism that had been a part of his earlier life.

It is interesting to note that, in the kkk, every klavern, and there were many klaverns thoughout the south back in those days, had an exalted cyclops. All the exalted cyclopses in a given county or other small geographical area of a state reported to a Grand Giant, or provincial leader, and they all reported to a Grand Dragon, or state director; and they all reported to the Grand Wizard, or national chair. Below the Cyclops on the org chart were the Grand Magi, the Grand Monk, the Grand Exchequer, the Grand Turk, and, finally, the rank-and-file members known as Ghouls or Knights. The Exalted Cyclops' responsibilities included presiding over Klavern meetings, initiating new members, and appointing Councils of Centaurs—that's Klan-speak for a jury—to try and punish wayward Ghouls. Sounds like a shriner's club to me!

and I find it interesting to note that even the KKK didn't think so much about Byrd's brief association, either. "He wasn't a Klansman long enough to get his sheet broke in," said Travis Pierce, national membership director for the Ku Klux Klan, "It's much ado about nothing."

but clearly, it is to YOU

and clearly, you want to continue to define the democrats of today as the democrats of yesterday... and republicans of yesterday as the republicans of today.... you want to take us back to a time when blacks in America voted for republican candidates overwhelmingly and when democrats were shunned by blacks as being the party of Jim Crow. Oddly enough, blacks in America ain't buyin' that line of bullshit anymore. They KNOW how the tables have turned. They KNOW which party is the party of racism today and they vote overwhelmingly for the other guys.

You can scream about how Byrd was once a klansman at the top of your lungs... blacks in America don't care to listen. They got guys like YOU all figured out.... sorry.

 

[geauxtohell]

So, admittedly, the thing you are griping about is okay when you have a "damn good reason why" and it involves your family.

On the same vein as what you were griping about; who are you to say what is good for your family is good for me?

I never claimed it was. I said if it benefits you, that's just gravy. I have my family to take care of. I'm not responsible for yours. And you're not responsible for mine.

So stop pretending you are.

Where did I do that?

At any rate, I am just pointing out the whole "they act like they know what is best for us!" whine is silly. We all support policies that are going to affect the entire nation. We do so because we believe it's best for the country and not to "impose" on other people.

 

[maineman]

and again Dave...it is not bigoted to state the facts concerning the leftward shift in public opinion that has occured over the past century. To deny it is ridiculous.

You can pretend that liberals are responsible for all the good in the world, and conservatives are responsible for all the evil -- but you just look like an idiot when you do.

I am not bigoted...you're just thick as a brick.

Of course you're bigoted against conservatives. But you refuse to take responsibility for yourself, and instead assign blame to me.

How's that workin' out for ya?

your silence when it comes to addressing any of my substanitive examples speaks loudly.

your refusal to admit the glacial shift of public opinion leftward over the past century is funny.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

and alpha1... unlike you, I will admit when I have erred. I had always thought that during Byrd's brief two year association with the KKK, he had only reached the position of kleagle. But, in fact, he had become the exalted cyclops for his local klavern. Nonetheless, he quit the klan after only two years and his life's journey saw him come to renounce the racism that had been a part of his earlier life.

It is interesting to note that, in the kkk, every klavern, and there were many klaverns thoughout the south back in those days, had an exalted cyclops. All the exalted cyclopses in a given county or other small geographical area of a state reported to a Grand Giant, or provincial leader, and they all reported to a Grand Dragon, or state director; and they all reported to the Grand Wizard, or national chair. Below the Cyclops on the org chart were the Grand Magi, the Grand Monk, the Grand Exchequer, the Grand Turk, and, finally, the rank-and-file members known as Ghouls or Knights. The Exalted Cyclops' responsibilities included presiding over Klavern meetings, initiating new members, and appointing Councils of Centaurs—that's Klan-speak for a jury—to try and punish wayward Ghouls. Sounds like a shriner's club to me!

and I find it interesting to note that even the KKK didn't think so much about Byrd's brief association, either. "He wasn't a Klansman long enough to get his sheet broke in," said Travis Pierce, national membership director for the Ku Klux Klan, "It's much ado about nothing."

but clearly, it is to YOU

and clearly, you want to continue to define the democrats of today as the democrats of yesterday... and republicans of yesterday as the republicans of today.... you want to take us back to a time when blacks in America voted for republican candidates overwhelmingly and when democrats were shunned by blacks as being the party of Jim Crow. Oddly enough, blacks in America ain't buyin' that line of bullshit anymore. They KNOW how the tables have turned. They KNOW which party is the party of racism today and they vote overwhelmingly for the other guys.

You can scream about how Byrd was once a klansman at the top of your lungs... blacks in America don't care to listen. They got guys like YOU all figured out.... sorry.

A passing association with the Klan is just like a passing association with the American Nazi Party or joining Al Qaeda, seriously, what's the big Deal?

 

[maineman]

and alpha1... unlike you, I will admit when I have erred. I had always thought that during Byrd's brief two year association with the KKK, he had only reached the position of kleagle. But, in fact, he had become the exalted cyclops for his local klavern. Nonetheless, he quit the klan after only two years and his life's journey saw him come to renounce the racism that had been a part of his earlier life.

It is interesting to note that, in the kkk, every klavern, and there were many klaverns thoughout the south back in those days, had an exalted cyclops. All the exalted cyclopses in a given county or other small geographical area of a state reported to a Grand Giant, or provincial leader, and they all reported to a Grand Dragon, or state director; and they all reported to the Grand Wizard, or national chair. Below the Cyclops on the org chart were the Grand Magi, the Grand Monk, the Grand Exchequer, the Grand Turk, and, finally, the rank-and-file members known as Ghouls or Knights. The Exalted Cyclops' responsibilities included presiding over Klavern meetings, initiating new members, and appointing Councils of Centaurs—that's Klan-speak for a jury—to try and punish wayward Ghouls. Sounds like a shriner's club to me!

and I find it interesting to note that even the KKK didn't think so much about Byrd's brief association, either. "He wasn't a Klansman long enough to get his sheet broke in," said Travis Pierce, national membership director for the Ku Klux Klan, "It's much ado about nothing."

but clearly, it is to YOU

and clearly, you want to continue to define the democrats of today as the democrats of yesterday... and republicans of yesterday as the republicans of today.... you want to take us back to a time when blacks in America voted for republican candidates overwhelmingly and when democrats were shunned by blacks as being the party of Jim Crow. Oddly enough, blacks in America ain't buyin' that line of bullshit anymore. They KNOW how the tables have turned. They KNOW which party is the party of racism today and they vote overwhelmingly for the other guys.

You can scream about how Byrd was once a klansman at the top of your lungs... blacks in America don't care to listen. They got guys like YOU all figured out.... sorry.

A passing association with the Klan is just like a passing association with the American Nazi Party or joining Al Qaeda, seriously, what's the big Deal?

good question.. maybe you can explain why the leader of YOUR party in the United States Senate said, in 2002, that America would be a better place TODAY if we had elected a racist segregationist in 1948 instead of Harry Truman.

I'll wait.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

and alpha1... unlike you, I will admit when I have erred. I had always thought that during Byrd's brief two year association with the KKK, he had only reached the position of kleagle. But, in fact, he had become the exalted cyclops for his local klavern. Nonetheless, he quit the klan after only two years and his life's journey saw him come to renounce the racism that had been a part of his earlier life.

It is interesting to note that, in the kkk, every klavern, and there were many klaverns thoughout the south back in those days, had an exalted cyclops. All the exalted cyclopses in a given county or other small geographical area of a state reported to a Grand Giant, or provincial leader, and they all reported to a Grand Dragon, or state director; and they all reported to the Grand Wizard, or national chair. Below the Cyclops on the org chart were the Grand Magi, the Grand Monk, the Grand Exchequer, the Grand Turk, and, finally, the rank-and-file members known as Ghouls or Knights. The Exalted Cyclops' responsibilities included presiding over Klavern meetings, initiating new members, and appointing Councils of Centaurs—that's Klan-speak for a jury—to try and punish wayward Ghouls. Sounds like a shriner's club to me!

and I find it interesting to note that even the KKK didn't think so much about Byrd's brief association, either. "He wasn't a Klansman long enough to get his sheet broke in," said Travis Pierce, national membership director for the Ku Klux Klan, "It's much ado about nothing."

but clearly, it is to YOU

and clearly, you want to continue to define the democrats of today as the democrats of yesterday... and republicans of yesterday as the republicans of today.... you want to take us back to a time when blacks in America voted for republican candidates overwhelmingly and when democrats were shunned by blacks as being the party of Jim Crow. Oddly enough, blacks in America ain't buyin' that line of bullshit anymore. They KNOW how the tables have turned. They KNOW which party is the party of racism today and they vote overwhelmingly for the other guys.

You can scream about how Byrd was once a klansman at the top of your lungs... blacks in America don't care to listen. They got guys like YOU all figured out.... sorry.

A passing association with the Klan is just like a passing association with the American Nazi Party or joining Al Qaeda, seriously, what's the big Deal?

good question.. maybe you can explain why the leader of YOUR party in the United States Senate said, in 2002, that America would be a better place TODAY if we had elected a racist segregationist in 1948 instead of Harry Truman.

I'll wait.

People change.

"I think one man is just as good as another so long as he's not a ****** or a Chinaman. Uncle Will says that the Lord made a White man from dust, a ****** from mud, then He threw up what was left and it came down a Chinaman. He does hate Chinese and Japs. So do I. It is race prejudice, I guess. But I am strongly of the opinion Negroes ought to be in Africa, Yellow men in Asia and White men in Europe and America." -- Harry Truman in a letter to his future wife Bess

 

[maineman]

A passing association with the Klan is just like a passing association with the American Nazi Party or joining Al Qaeda, seriously, what's the big Deal?

good question.. maybe you can explain why the leader of YOUR party in the United States Senate said, in 2002, that America would be a better place TODAY if we had elected a racist segregationist in 1948 instead of Harry Truman.

I'll wait.

People change.

this had nothing to do with people changing. This had to do with the republican leader of the united states senate, a mere eight years ago, expressing his opinion that America would be better off TODAY if we HAD elected Strom Thurmond running on the Dixiecrat platform and all that entailed, instead of Harry Truman.

 

[AllieBaba]

Lets just remember who hates higher education, science and History?

The left.

 

[AllieBaba]

and alpha1... unlike you, I will admit when I have erred. I had always thought that during Byrd's brief two year association with the KKK, he had only reached the position of kleagle. But, in fact, he had become the exalted cyclops for his local klavern. Nonetheless, he quit the klan after only two years and his life's journey saw him come to renounce the racism that had been a part of his earlier life.

It is interesting to note that, in the kkk, every klavern, and there were many klaverns thoughout the south back in those days, had an exalted cyclops. All the exalted cyclopses in a given county or other small geographical area of a state reported to a Grand Giant, or provincial leader, and they all reported to a Grand Dragon, or state director; and they all reported to the Grand Wizard, or national chair. Below the Cyclops on the org chart were the Grand Magi, the Grand Monk, the Grand Exchequer, the Grand Turk, and, finally, the rank-and-file members known as Ghouls or Knights. The Exalted Cyclops' responsibilities included presiding over Klavern meetings, initiating new members, and appointing Councils of Centaurs—that's Klan-speak for a jury—to try and punish wayward Ghouls. Sounds like a shriner's club to me!

and I find it interesting to note that even the KKK didn't think so much about Byrd's brief association, either. "He wasn't a Klansman long enough to get his sheet broke in," said Travis Pierce, national membership director for the Ku Klux Klan, "It's much ado about nothing."

but clearly, it is to YOU

and clearly, you want to continue to define the democrats of today as the democrats of yesterday... and republicans of yesterday as the republicans of today.... you want to take us back to a time when blacks in America voted for republican candidates overwhelmingly and when democrats were shunned by blacks as being the party of Jim Crow. Oddly enough, blacks in America ain't buyin' that line of bullshit anymore. They KNOW how the tables have turned. They KNOW which party is the party of racism today and they vote overwhelmingly for the other guys.

You can scream about how Byrd was once a klansman at the top of your lungs... blacks in America don't care to listen. They got guys like YOU all figured out.... sorry.

A passing association with the Klan is just like a passing association with the American Nazi Party or joining Al Qaeda, seriously, what's the big Deal?

good question.. maybe you can explain why the leader of YOUR party in the United States Senate said, in 2002, that America would be a better place TODAY if we had elected a racist segregationist in 1948 instead of Harry Truman.

I'll wait.

Good, you do that.

Which would have been most likely to do what was best for America? If it was the racist segregationist, then America would be a better place today.

It's hard to choose which is "best" between socialism and racism.

 

[Coyote]

Lets just remember who hates higher education, science and History?

You do. In fact your side routinely perverts all 3. Revisionist history, fake science and changing the method of teaching until no one learns a damn thing. Thanks Liberals.

I think he is confusing L.I.E. with C.R.A.P. (Conservative Revisionist Anti-science Partisans)

 

[maineman]

A passing association with the Klan is just like a passing association with the American Nazi Party or joining Al Qaeda, seriously, what's the big Deal?

good question.. maybe you can explain why the leader of YOUR party in the United States Senate said, in 2002, that America would be a better place TODAY if we had elected a racist segregationist in 1948 instead of Harry Truman.

I'll wait.

Good, you do that.

Which would have been most likely to do what was best for America? If it was the racist segregationist, then America would be a better place today.

It's hard to choose which is "best" between socialism and racism.

Harry Truman was a socialist?

 

[AllieBaba]

I think socialists can be racists too, btw:

"In 1922, Truman gave a friend $10 for an initiation fee for the Ku Klux Klan but later asked to get his money back; he was never initiated, never attended a meeting, and never claimed membership. Though it is a historical fact that Truman at times expressed anger towards Jews in his diaries, it is also worth remembering that his business partner and close friend Edward Jacobson was Jewish. Bess Truman however was proud that a Jew had never set foot in her or her mother's home.[1]"
Truman, Harry S.

 

[AllieBaba]

"On June 23, 1941, a day after Nazi Germany attacked the Soviet Union, Senator Truman declared, "If we see that Germany is winning we ought to help Russia and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany, and that way let them kill as many as possible, although I don't want to see Hitler victorious under any circumstances. Neither of them thinks anything of their pledged word" (The New York Times, June 24 1941). Liberals and conservatives alike were disturbed by his seeming suggestion of the possibility of America backing Nazi Germany, and he quickly backtracked."
Truman, Harry S.

 

[maineman]

OK...just so we're clear. You are calling Harry Truman a racist AND a socialist and you are agreeing with Trent Lott that we would be a better country TODAY if we had elected a racist segregationist as President in 1948 instead of Truman.

got it.

I'm all done with you.

 

[AllieBaba]

Say it's not true. I'm crushed.

 

[AllieBaba]

Though of course I didn't say we'd be better off if STROM was elected. I don't deal in what ifs.