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seriously. If this were not on the internet these people would have already lynched these sand ******* by now.
You are an idiot.
no, you are a fucking idiot. See how silly your post is?
Indeed, the outcome has already been determined. and yes, letting them speak even though they won't sway anyone is exactly why out culture is superior to theirs. As long as you keep acting like they do then there is no real distinction between us and them. But hey, let me waterboard your agreement out of you and you'll understand.
and, i hate to break it to you, dummy, but a terrorist is going to react regardless of what we do to KSM. Troops won't all of a sudden start dying because we allowed labeled terrorists to speak on their own behalf. The idea of such is three shades of retarded. Again, sounds like you just don't want the general public to hear something which might cause more questions than a bullet to the back of the head would have allowed.
What a load of crap. If, as you say, the outcome of the trial is predetermined, then this farce is exactly what I said, a political show designed to do nothing more that bring back the dreaded Bush boogie man in order to try to save a few Democrat congressional seats in 2010. The fact that you know it's predetermined and still push for the show either makes you a tool or a fool. Your choice.
And please, will you really debase yourself by pretending that you don't know that KSM's desire is to increase Muslim outrage and recruit a few more terrorists for jihad? Nick Berg paid for the release of the Abu Graib photos and someone will pay for this. There will be nothing come out at this trial that the general public hasn't already heard. This farce will just stir the pot to try to ratchet up a little more outrage at those mean Republicans and take the focus off of double digit unemployment.
If anything THIS will allow us to retain even the slightest bit of validity and integrity regarding our legal system even if we've already accepted a predetermined result of the trial. If you would rather sweep everything under a nice rug then feel free to vote Ollie North for President in '12. Hopefully, the irony is not lost on those paying attention.
Again, the SHOW, as you put it, illustrates the superiority of our system versus theirs; one that is ironically mimicked in your solution to red stamp convictions. Pretending that terrorism all of a sudden becomes lethal because muslims are allowed to defend themselves outside of a closed room kangaroo court is just asinine. You can't predict what will or won't be said at this trial. But, your fervor in trying to mute the accuses speaks volumes about what length you'll go to keep mum anything that is not politically prudent.
Hell, that you seem to think this is some giant conspiracy meant to redirect attention from unemployment, as if the unemployed will forget that they are out of work, is three shades of fucking retarded and conveys just how desperate your kind is to polish the turd of your last pair of presidential votes.
too bad for you that half of us in the US still care about legal standards outside of back room bullets and red tape trials.
Indeed, the outcome has already been determined. and yes, letting them speak even though they won't sway anyone is exactly why out culture is superior to theirs. As long as you keep acting like they do then there is no real distinction between us and them. But hey, let me waterboard your agreement out of you and you'll understand.
and, i hate to break it to you, dummy, but a terrorist is going to react regardless of what we do to KSM. Troops won't all of a sudden start dying because we allowed labeled terrorists to speak on their own behalf. The idea of such is three shades of retarded. Again, sounds like you just don't want the general public to hear something which might cause more questions than a bullet to the back of the head would have allowed.
What a load of crap. If, as you say, the outcome of the trial is predetermined, then this farce is exactly what I said, a political show designed to do nothing more that bring back the dreaded Bush boogie man in order to try to save a few Democrat congressional seats in 2010. The fact that you know it's predetermined and still push for the show either makes you a tool or a fool. Your choice.
And please, will you really debase yourself by pretending that you don't know that KSM's desire is to increase Muslim outrage and recruit a few more terrorists for jihad? Nick Berg paid for the release of the Abu Graib photos and someone will pay for this. There will be nothing come out at this trial that the general public hasn't already heard. This farce will just stir the pot to try to ratchet up a little more outrage at those mean Republicans and take the focus off of double digit unemployment.
If anything THIS will allow us to retain even the slightest bit of validity and integrity regarding our legal system even if we've already accepted a predetermined result of the trial. If you would rather sweep everything under a nice rug then feel free to vote Ollie North for President in '12. Hopefully, the irony is not lost on those paying attention.
Again, the SHOW, as you put it, illustrates the superiority of our system versus theirs; one that is ironically mimicked in your solution to red stamp convictions. Pretending that terrorism all of a sudden becomes lethal because muslims are allowed to defend themselves outside of a closed room kangaroo court is just asinine. You can't predict what will or won't be said at this trial. But, your fervor in trying to mute the accuses speaks volumes about what length you'll go to keep mum anything that is not politically prudent.
Hell, that you seem to think this is some giant conspiracy meant to redirect attention from unemployment, as if the unemployed will forget that they are out of work, is three shades of fucking retarded and conveys just how desperate your kind is to polish the turd of your last pair of presidential votes.
too bad for you that half of us in the US still care about legal standards outside of back room bullets and red tape trials.
Yeah, people really started flocking to the Manson family after Charlie got his chance at a "podium" during his trial didn't they?
The notion that people will get sucked into a terrorist mentailty because of a public trial is absurd.
If we don't adhere to our constitution, then the terrorists win. It was their goal to use fear to undermine our values. Show a little backbone and we can prove to them that we can defeat them without casting aside those ideals and principles that make America a beacon among nations.
What a load of crap. If, as you say, the outcome of the trial is predetermined, then this farce is exactly what I said, a political show designed to do nothing more that bring back the dreaded Bush boogie man in order to try to save a few Democrat congressional seats in 2010. The fact that you know it's predetermined and still push for the show either makes you a tool or a fool. Your choice.
And please, will you really debase yourself by pretending that you don't know that KSM's desire is to increase Muslim outrage and recruit a few more terrorists for jihad? Nick Berg paid for the release of the Abu Graib photos and someone will pay for this. There will be nothing come out at this trial that the general public hasn't already heard. This farce will just stir the pot to try to ratchet up a little more outrage at those mean Republicans and take the focus off of double digit unemployment.
If anything THIS will allow us to retain even the slightest bit of validity and integrity regarding our legal system even if we've already accepted a predetermined result of the trial. If you would rather sweep everything under a nice rug then feel free to vote Ollie North for President in '12. Hopefully, the irony is not lost on those paying attention.
Again, the SHOW, as you put it, illustrates the superiority of our system versus theirs; one that is ironically mimicked in your solution to red stamp convictions. Pretending that terrorism all of a sudden becomes lethal because muslims are allowed to defend themselves outside of a closed room kangaroo court is just asinine. You can't predict what will or won't be said at this trial. But, your fervor in trying to mute the accuses speaks volumes about what length you'll go to keep mum anything that is not politically prudent.
Hell, that you seem to think this is some giant conspiracy meant to redirect attention from unemployment, as if the unemployed will forget that they are out of work, is three shades of fucking retarded and conveys just how desperate your kind is to polish the turd of your last pair of presidential votes.
too bad for you that half of us in the US still care about legal standards outside of back room bullets and red tape trials.
Oh please, we know exactly what is going to come out at trial. The same things that we've already heard. Mean ole Bush waterboarded me. They said they'd kill my children. They wouldn't let me sleep. They made me listen to Barry Manilow. Blah, blah, blah. I think we all know that "enhanced interrogation methods" were used. The only thing new to the public that is liable to come out at trial are the programs our intelligence agencies use to thwart terrorist plots. We'll just hand our playbook to the jihadi's. And there is nothing in this farce that shows U.S. court superiority. Military tribunals allow for a full defense. JUst admit it, you don't care about the legal standards here, you just want to watch the spectacle. And if you really don't think that this is a deflection away from current Obama policies and their results in order to save the 2010 elections, then may I offer you a beautiful bridge in New York at an awesome price.
You are an idiot.
no, you are a fucking idiot. See how silly your post is?
no, shogun, this time you are the idiot, bonafide and certified.. I'm so sorry for you and your terrorists friends but that's just the way it is, playing politics with dead Americans ain't cool.
Yeah, people really started flocking to the Manson family after Charlie got his chance at a "podium" during his trial didn't they?
The notion that people will get sucked into a terrorist mentailty because of a public trial is absurd.
If we don't adhere to our constitution, then the terrorists win. It was their goal to use fear to undermine our values. Show a little backbone and we can prove to them that we can defeat them without casting aside those ideals and principles that make America a beacon among nations.
Can you tell us where the legal precedent to take an enemy combatant from a battlefield and try him in a U.S. court is?
And really, your statement of " The notion that people will get sucked into a terrorist mentailty because of a public trial is absurd." cracks me up. May I remind you of the number of people who died over a cartoon published
in Denmark?
Yeah, people really started flocking to the Manson family after Charlie got his chance at a "podium" during his trial didn't they?
The notion that people will get sucked into a terrorist mentailty because of a public trial is absurd.
If we don't adhere to our constitution, then the terrorists win. It was their goal to use fear to undermine our values. Show a little backbone and we can prove to them that we can defeat them without casting aside those ideals and principles that make America a beacon among nations.
Can you tell us where the legal precedent to take an enemy combatant from a battlefield and try him in a U.S. court is?
And really, your statement of " The notion that people will get sucked into a terrorist mentailty because of a public trial is absurd." cracks me up. May I remind you of the number of people who died over a cartoon published
in Denmark?
What a load of crap. If, as you say, the outcome of the trial is predetermined, then this farce is exactly what I said, a political show designed to do nothing more that bring back the dreaded Bush boogie man in order to try to save a few Democrat congressional seats in 2010. The fact that you know it's predetermined and still push for the show either makes you a tool or a fool. Your choice.
And please, will you really debase yourself by pretending that you don't know that KSM's desire is to increase Muslim outrage and recruit a few more terrorists for jihad? Nick Berg paid for the release of the Abu Graib photos and someone will pay for this. There will be nothing come out at this trial that the general public hasn't already heard. This farce will just stir the pot to try to ratchet up a little more outrage at those mean Republicans and take the focus off of double digit unemployment.
If anything THIS will allow us to retain even the slightest bit of validity and integrity regarding our legal system even if we've already accepted a predetermined result of the trial. If you would rather sweep everything under a nice rug then feel free to vote Ollie North for President in '12. Hopefully, the irony is not lost on those paying attention.
Again, the SHOW, as you put it, illustrates the superiority of our system versus theirs; one that is ironically mimicked in your solution to red stamp convictions. Pretending that terrorism all of a sudden becomes lethal because muslims are allowed to defend themselves outside of a closed room kangaroo court is just asinine. You can't predict what will or won't be said at this trial. But, your fervor in trying to mute the accuses speaks volumes about what length you'll go to keep mum anything that is not politically prudent.
Hell, that you seem to think this is some giant conspiracy meant to redirect attention from unemployment, as if the unemployed will forget that they are out of work, is three shades of fucking retarded and conveys just how desperate your kind is to polish the turd of your last pair of presidential votes.
too bad for you that half of us in the US still care about legal standards outside of back room bullets and red tape trials.
Oh fuck yeah,, I'm impressed and I'm sure the rest of the world will fall down in adoration and kiss your leftist ass for a judical system the presumes guilt and assures us of execution before a jury has even been picked.. that's the way the taliban does business.. that your new organization? the taliban?
I am heartened to see you for one realize what the purpose of these trails actually is.
It's not about justice.
It's not about American values.
It's not about the Constitution.
It's about how baaaaad Boooooosh and America was/is.
yep...these libs in support of the trials for this reason do not want justice for the murderers.....they really want to try bush/cheney....
that is disgusting and unamerican to use the murders like this.....
America should know what has been done in its name. That you act like a giant bitch about transparency says quite a bit about your own brand of political identity. Thankfully, you don't own a monopoly on what it means to be American and love this nation.
Yeah, people really started flocking to the Manson family after Charlie got his chance at a "podium" during his trial didn't they?
The notion that people will get sucked into a terrorist mentailty because of a public trial is absurd.
If we don't adhere to our constitution, then the terrorists win. It was their goal to use fear to undermine our values. Show a little backbone and we can prove to them that we can defeat them without casting aside those ideals and principles that make America a beacon among nations.
Can you tell us where the legal precedent to take an enemy combatant from a battlefield and try him in a U.S. court is?
And really, your statement of " The notion that people will get sucked into a terrorist mentailty because of a public trial is absurd." cracks me up. May I remind you of the number of people who died over a cartoon published
in Denmark?
Your first question:
Leading conservative backs N.Y. trials - Fred Barbash - POLITICO.com
provides a pretty concise layman's explanation.
As to folks dying over a cartoon in Denmark - I can give many, many examples of heinous criminals being publically tried without garnering adherents. Are you proposing that we count up all the ancedotal evidence available to determine "the truth?"
How 'bout we just stick to the Constitution. Let's not allow them to make us so afraid that we abandon it - you do realize - that's exactly what they're after.
What a load of crap. If, as you say, the outcome of the trial is predetermined, then this farce is exactly what I said, a political show designed to do nothing more that bring back the dreaded Bush boogie man in order to try to save a few Democrat congressional seats in 2010. The fact that you know it's predetermined and still push for the show either makes you a tool or a fool. Your choice.
And please, will you really debase yourself by pretending that you don't know that KSM's desire is to increase Muslim outrage and recruit a few more terrorists for jihad? Nick Berg paid for the release of the Abu Graib photos and someone will pay for this. There will be nothing come out at this trial that the general public hasn't already heard. This farce will just stir the pot to try to ratchet up a little more outrage at those mean Republicans and take the focus off of double digit unemployment.
If anything THIS will allow us to retain even the slightest bit of validity and integrity regarding our legal system even if we've already accepted a predetermined result of the trial. If you would rather sweep everything under a nice rug then feel free to vote Ollie North for President in '12. Hopefully, the irony is not lost on those paying attention.
Again, the SHOW, as you put it, illustrates the superiority of our system versus theirs; one that is ironically mimicked in your solution to red stamp convictions. Pretending that terrorism all of a sudden becomes lethal because muslims are allowed to defend themselves outside of a closed room kangaroo court is just asinine. You can't predict what will or won't be said at this trial. But, your fervor in trying to mute the accuses speaks volumes about what length you'll go to keep mum anything that is not politically prudent.
Hell, that you seem to think this is some giant conspiracy meant to redirect attention from unemployment, as if the unemployed will forget that they are out of work, is three shades of fucking retarded and conveys just how desperate your kind is to polish the turd of your last pair of presidential votes.
too bad for you that half of us in the US still care about legal standards outside of back room bullets and red tape trials.
Oh please, we know exactly what is going to come out at trial. The same things that we've already heard. Mean ole Bush waterboarded me. They said they'd kill my children. They wouldn't let me sleep. They made me listen to Barry Manilow. Blah, blah, blah. I think we all know that "enhanced interrogation methods" were used. The only thing new to the public that is liable to come out at trial are the programs our intelligence agencies use to thwart terrorist plots. We'll just hand our playbook to the jihadi's. And there is nothing in this farce that shows U.S. court superiority. Military tribunals allow for a full defense. JUst admit it, you don't care about the legal standards here, you just want to watch the spectacle. And if you really don't think that this is a deflection away from current Obama policies and their results in order to save the 2010 elections, then may I offer you a beautiful bridge in New York at an awesome price.
no, you are a fucking idiot. See how silly your post is?
no, shogun, this time you are the idiot, bonafide and certified.. I'm so sorry for you and your terrorists friends but that's just the way it is, playing politics with dead Americans ain't cool.
Actually, the trials which seem to have your panties in an uproar is JUST THE WAY IT IS. don't bother feeling sorry for me, yo.. I'm not the one walking blindly into another phantom WMD fiasco over knee jerk reactions to standard issue talking points.
Fucking right wingnut pussies
Afraid of what a terrorist might say
When are you guys going to grow a set of balls???
so then you have no problem with these "trials" being used a propaganda platforms by terrorists.....no one is afraid of what they are going to say, its already been said by others.....but for you to condone the use of courts as a platform for terrorists to lambast america is one of the most stupid and unamerican positions anyone can take....
the courts are for justice, but to liberals like you, they are great platforms for terrorists to denounce america.....
pathetic
Fucking rightwing pussies..
Not only do you deny them lawyers, the right to face their accusers, the right to see the evedence against them...
Now you want to deny them the right to even speak
If anything THIS will allow us to retain even the slightest bit of validity and integrity regarding our legal system even if we've already accepted a predetermined result of the trial. If you would rather sweep everything under a nice rug then feel free to vote Ollie North for President in '12. Hopefully, the irony is not lost on those paying attention.
Again, the SHOW, as you put it, illustrates the superiority of our system versus theirs; one that is ironically mimicked in your solution to red stamp convictions. Pretending that terrorism all of a sudden becomes lethal because muslims are allowed to defend themselves outside of a closed room kangaroo court is just asinine. You can't predict what will or won't be said at this trial. But, your fervor in trying to mute the accuses speaks volumes about what length you'll go to keep mum anything that is not politically prudent.
Hell, that you seem to think this is some giant conspiracy meant to redirect attention from unemployment, as if the unemployed will forget that they are out of work, is three shades of fucking retarded and conveys just how desperate your kind is to polish the turd of your last pair of presidential votes.
too bad for you that half of us in the US still care about legal standards outside of back room bullets and red tape trials.
Oh fuck yeah,, I'm impressed and I'm sure the rest of the world will fall down in adoration and kiss your leftist ass for a judical system the presumes guilt and assures us of execution before a jury has even been picked.. that's the way the taliban does business.. that your new organization? the taliban?
i'm not the one advocating closed room, secret courts which limit the accused from defending themselves, goofnut. That would be you.. so, your taliban accusation fails on it's face.
Yeah, people really started flocking to the Manson family after Charlie got his chance at a "podium" during his trial didn't they?
The notion that people will get sucked into a terrorist mentailty because of a public trial is absurd.
If we don't adhere to our constitution, then the terrorists win. It was their goal to use fear to undermine our values. Show a little backbone and we can prove to them that we can defeat them without casting aside those ideals and principles that make America a beacon among nations.
Can you tell us where the legal precedent to take an enemy combatant from a battlefield and try him in a U.S. court is?
And really, your statement of " The notion that people will get sucked into a terrorist mentailty because of a public trial is absurd." cracks me up. May I remind you of the number of people who died over a cartoon published
in Denmark?
The precedent is that the juristiction was in the US. US soil, US citizens killed.
In this case, the "battlefield"" is anywhere on earth.
Precedent is the 1993 World trade Center bombers
I don't know about "libs," but I support the Constitutional principle at stake. And I'm not afraid of terrorists. We don't have to toss aside the Constitution to kick their a$$es imho.
If we cast aside our values and our principles because they've scared us silly, they win.
The Constitution dictates our actions here - it's not even a close call.
