Let's argue with Putin

buddhallah_the_christ

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Putin: “Do we place our troops at US borders? Who is placing NATO troops, military infrastructure closer to us? Does anyone listen to us, talk to us about it? No, nothing. There is always the same response: it’s not your business.”
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Fucking russians
 
Where are the RW Pootarians? You're always siding with him against your own country. C'mon, this guy is your hero. Speak up.
 
We have the same question for obama that we posited for Cuber. Now that the reset strategery failed, what is the goal of your new policy...and what the fuck is your new policy? Putin is a disaster with an 80% approval rating. Obabble is a disaster at 40%....at least we got that right.
 
Where are the RW Pootarians? You're always siding with him against your own country. C'mon, this guy is your hero. Speak up.

Your bravado is only overshadowed by your ignorance.
Putin just talked with international journalists on a variety of topics for 31/2 hours, giving lucid answers, did not sabre-rattle, and get this, without a teleprompter. No one in the enlightened west does this nor can do it.
Sounds like leadership.
 
Where are the RW Pootarians? You're always siding with him against your own country. C'mon, this guy is your hero. Speak up.

Your bravado is only overshadowed by your ignorance.
Putin just talked with international journalists on a variety of topics for 31/2 hours, giving lucid answers, did not sabre-rattle, and get this, without a teleprompter. No one in the enlightened west does this nor can do it.
Sounds like leadership.

A leader? Try Communist ruler with ambitions to rule more than Russia in days to come, B. Kidd! He is a known philanderer, wife beater and murderer of at least one political opponent that we know of. How did he kill him? He had him poisoned. Does that sound like leadership qualities to you? What about honesty, integrity, sound judgment? Has Putin demonstrated any of those qualities to you? Me neither. Next!
 
Where are the RW Pootarians? You're always siding with him against your own country. C'mon, this guy is your hero. Speak up.

Your bravado is only overshadowed by your ignorance.
Putin just talked with international journalists on a variety of topics for 31/2 hours, giving lucid answers, did not sabre-rattle, and get this, without a teleprompter. No one in the enlightened west does this nor can do it.
Sounds like leadership.

A leader? Try Communist ruler with ambitions to rule more than Russia in days to come, B. Kidd! He is a known philanderer, wife beater and murderer of at least one political opponent that we know of. How did he kill him? He had him poisoned. Does that sound like leadership qualities to you? What about honesty, integrity, sound judgment? Has Putin demonstrated any of those qualities to you? Me neither. Next!

You're living proof that propaganda in the U.S. is the best in the world. And, you have alot of company. Unfortunately, that is one significant reason why we're in such bad shape.
 
Putin should just go for broke and have his bombers do more than just buzz.
 
Putin: “Do we place our troops at US borders? Who is placing NATO troops, military infrastructure closer to us? Does anyone listen to us, talk to us about it? No, nothing. There is always the same response: it’s not your business.”
russia_wants_war_look_how_closely_they_put_country_to_our_military_bases.jpg

Fucking russians

Do we place our troops by US Borders? No. Putin has his troops INSIDE US Borders. This man has some nerve. Here is something you might find interesting.

- RUSSIAN THREATS TO UNITED STATES SECURITY IN THE POST-COLD WAR ERA
House Hearing, 106 Congress]
[From the U.S. Government Printing Office]




RUSSIAN THREATS TO UNITED STATES SECURITY IN THE POST-COLD WAR ERA

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HEARING

before the

COMMITTEE ON
GOVERNMENT REFORM

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

ONE HUNDRED SIXTH CONGRESS

SECOND SESSION

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JANUARY 24, 2000

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Serial No. 106-158

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Printed for the use of the Committee on Government Reform


Available via the World Wide Web: Maintenance
Home Committee on Oversight Government Reform
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I'll post a few clips of what is inside - you can read it later.
 
Here are the Contents:


C O N T E N T S

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Page
Hearing held on January 24, 2000................................. 1
Statement of:
Campbell, Hon. Tom, a Representative in Congress from the
State of California........................................ 39
Lunev, Stanislav, former GRU Officer, author of ``Through the
Eyes of the Enemy''; ; and Peter Vincent Pry, former
employee of the Central Intelligence Agency, author of
``War Scare''.............................................. 59
Weldon, Hon. Curt, a Representative in Congress from the
State of Pennsylvania...................................... 11
Letters, statements, et cetera, submitted for the record by:
Burton, Hon. Dan, a Representative in Congress from the State
of Indiana, prepared statement of.......................... 6
Campbell, Hon. Tom, a Representative in Congress from the
State of California, series of letters requesting
investigations............................................. 43
Green, William, California State University--San Bernadino,
Naval Reserves Intelligence Officer, prepared statement of. 100
Lunev, Stanislav, former GRU Officer, author of ``Through the
Eyes of the Enemy'', prepared statement of................. 61
Pry, Peter Vincent, former employee of the Central
Intelligence Agency, author of ``War Scare'', prepared
statement of............................................... 74
Weldon, Hon. Curt, a Representative in Congress from the
State of Pennsylvania:
Article entitled, ``The Employment of Special Task Forces
Under Contemproty Conditions''......................... 32
Partial transcript of October 26, 1999 hearing........... 16
Partial transcript of September 14, 1999 press conference 20
- RUSSIAN THREATS TO UNITED STATES SECURITY IN THE POST-COLD WAR ERA
 
- RUSSIAN THREATS TO UNITED STATES SECURITY IN THE POST-COLD WAR ERA

So I want to thank all of today's witnesses for being
here and participating.
Now returning to the question at hand: Is Russia still a
threat? One thing we know is that Russia is still conducting
espionage against the United States. A lot of people in
Washington were shocked when they picked up their newspapers
about a month ago and discovered that a Russian spy had bugged
the State Department. A spy who is stationed at the Russian
Embassy had planted a tiny listening device in a chair in the
conference room. It was right down the hall from the Secretary
of State's office. The FBI caught him red-handed sitting in his
car outside the State Department trying to listen in on a
meeting. Nobody has any idea how long that bug was there or
what the Russians might have learned. Security is so lax at the
State Department that they couldn't tell you today if there are
any other listening devices in the building. They're sweeping
them right now.
One of our witnesses today is a former Russian intelligence
agent, Colonel Stanivlav Lunev. He is the highest ranking GRU
officer ever to defect to the United States. The GRU is
Russia's premiere military intelligence agency. Colonel Lunev
is in the witness protection program and special arrangements
have been made to conceal his identity. So I apologize to the
media who's here, we'll have to have him come in and be covered
up so that his identity is maintained so he won't be in any
jeopardy.
Mr. Lunev worked out of the Russian Embassy in Washington
for 3\1/2\ years. I had a chance to read Colonel Lunev's
testimony when he was before Congressman Weldon's subcommittee
in 1998. He said, ``I can say to you very openly and very
firmly that Russian intelligence activity against the United
States is much more active than it was in the time of the
former Soviet Union's existence. It's more active today than it
was then.'' That was a year and a half before the State
Department incident. It looks to me like Colonel Lunev knows
what he's talking about. It makes me wonder if there are more
bugs in more conference rooms waiting to be discovered.
It's not really surprising that Russia is still actively
spying on us. But how does the Russian Government view us? Have
their views changed? Do they consider us a friend or an enemy?
They just produced a new national security doctrine. It was
signed by President Putin this month. According to one scholar
it, ``adopts a tone far more aggressively anti-Western than in
the 1997 version.'' The document blames the United States and
NATO for trying to dominate the world and states that this is a
grave threat to Russian security. So it's very clear that the
Russian Government at the highest level still sees us, the
United States, as a threat and an enemy.
I recently read a quote from former CIA Director John
Deutch. He was testifying in 1998. Here's what he said:

Russia continues to be our top security concern, even
without the adversarial relationship of the cold war. Russia
still possesses 20,000-plus nuclear weapons. Wide-spread
corruption and the absence of honest and accountable internal
governmental administrative functions threatens Russia's slow
and erratic evolution toward democracy.

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Another of Colonel Lunev's jobs was to scout out sites
where weapons or explosives could be prepositioned. From time
to time he would travel to the Shenandoah Valley to photograph
areas where ``dead drops'' would be established. Weapons would
be placed in these dead drop areas so that in times of crisis
Russian agents could come into the country to commit sabotage
against power plants, military bases, and communications
facilities.
According to Colonel Lunev, part of the Soviet's plan
called for the use of, ``portable tactical nuclear devices,''
to be used to commit sabotage against highly protected targets.
If has now been widely reported that the Soviet Union
manufactured portable briefcase-size nuclear devices that
cannot all be accounted for.
Were conventional or nuclear weapons prepositioned in the
United States? Colonel Lunev doesn't know if the sites he
identified were ever used. However, a second Russian defector
says drop sites were established all over the United States and
Western Europe. Vasili Mitrokhin was an archivist for the KGB.
When he defected to the West he brought with him pages and
pages of handwritten notes about KGB activities. He says that
for decades the Soviet Union deployed sabotage and intelligence
groups whose mission it was to commit assassinations or acts of
sabotage in times of crisis or impending war.
In his book, ``The Sword and the Shield,'' he states that
drop sites for explosives were scattered all over Western
Europe and the United States. They contained everything from
communications equipment to handguns to explosives. At one
point in his book, he states that a standard arms package to be
placed in a drop site would include mines, explosive charges,
fuses, and detonators.
 
Abraham Lincoln said--and he was a pretty good President--
let the people know the facts and the country will be saved.
It's just as true today as it was back then. So I'm distressed
that some members of the media are thinking we're trying to
scare everybody to death. We're not trying to do that. We're
trying to get the facts out so that we know that if there's
nothing to fear, there's nothing to fear; and if there is, that
we get it cleaned up.
OK. I think we'll start with Colonel Lunev, and I'd like to
say before Colonel Lunev starts to speak that this is not his
real name. He is in the witness protection program with the--
you say the FBI and CIA together. In fact, I'll ask him that
question in a minute and--but he is, as I said, a very high
official, the highest GRU official that's defected to the
United States. So we'll start with you, Mr. Lunev.

STATEMENTS OF STANISLAV LUNEV, FORMER GRU OFFICER, AUTHOR OF
``THROUGH THE EYES OF THE ENEMY;'' WILLIAM GREEN, CALIFORNIA
STATE UNIVERSITY--SAN BERNADINO, NAVAL RESERVES INTELLIGENCE
OFFICER; AND PETER VINCENT PRY, FORMER EMPLOYEE OF THE CENTRAL
INTELLIGENCE AGENCY, AUTHOR OF ``WAR SCARE''

Mr. Lunev. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good morning, ladies
and gentlemen.
Mr. Burton. Would you speak--pull the microphone as close
to you as you can.
Mr. Lunev. First of all, thank you for inviting me for so
beautiful place like Los Angeles. Of course, weather is a
little bit different from East Coast now which is under ice and
snow, you know, and, of course, I would like to spend few of
your minutes, especially to explain you my position about all
this--actually, very dangerous stuff which unfortunately is in
place now in time when former Soviet Union doesn't exist about
one decade.
For me, it was really surprise that after I wrote my book,
actually after publishing of this book, that American people
know so little about possible danger for the national security
of this country. Last year when I began to work for one of the
Internet companies, its name is newsmag.com, I had a chance to
give a lot of radio and TV interviews to different people, and
it's one more to underscore my point about shortage of
knowledge of American people about national security of this
country.
First of all, I need to return back to history because in
time of former Soviet Union existence, Soviet General staff
designed special plan for the future war against America and
American friends and allies worldwide. According to this plan,
Soviet special operation forces commanders need to come to this
country and other NATO countries in few days, maybe hours,
before real war would be in place, like students, tourists,
visitors, businessmen, by regular airlines, and before real war
would be in place, they need to pick up weapons systems which
are already located in this country, including technical
nuclear devices. This is--official name is technical portable
atomic demolition devices, containers with chemical and
biological weapons, conventional weapons system, communication
devices, actual money, credit cards, documentation, which are
already storage in this country, and in few hours or minutes
before regular nuclear missile strike will hit American soil,
this special operation forces commanders will pick up this
weapons system, move this weapons system to their area of
operational use, and we will destroy economical and military
political infrastructure of this country; first of all, targets
which could not be destroyed by regular missile nuclear strike.
- RUSSIAN THREATS TO UNITED STATES SECURITY IN THE POST-COLD WAR ERA
 
Who cares. Theres nothing Russia could do to us that would be worse than what obambam is already doing to us.
 
Last clip from the hearing - this is interesting -

The administration's Russia policy has been more of a
public relations campaign to persuade the American people that
all is well rather than a hard-headed, well-attended program to
really advance free enterprise and democracy in Russia and to
protect United States vital national interests. Despite
administration claims that our Russia policy is a success, many
of us have watched and worried and warned for years that our
Russia policy is careening toward failure.

Now, the media and the American people have recently been
shocked awake by a new brutal Russian leadership that has
manipulated the electoral process to, in effect, thwart the
free and fair elections in Russia. We have been shocked awake
by the war in Chechnya where the Russian military is using
missiles, flame throwers, and fuel air explosives--classified
in their own military doctrine as weapons of mass destruction--
to subdue their own people.

We have been shocked awake by
Russian military and foreign officials who have officially
blamed the United States for provoking the Chechen crisis as
part of a larger conspiracy to have NATO penetrate the
Caucasuses and gain control of the oil wealth of the Caspian
Sea.

We've been shocked awake by President Putin and others
brazenly making nuclear threats against the United States,
including Putin on December 14 attending the launch of SS-X-27
ICBM, where he made a direct nuclear threat against the United
States not to interfere in Russian internal affairs: And we
have been shocked awake by President Putin's recent embrace of
a new national security concept that describes the West as a
threat to Russia, and relies on nuclear weapons and a nuclear
first strike as the primary cornerstone of Russia's national
security policy.

None of this comes as a surprise to those of us who have
been skeptical of the administration's claims that its Russia
policy is basically on track and successful and who have
independently followed and thought about what's been happening
in Russia over the years.
- RUSSIAN THREATS TO UNITED STATES SECURITY IN THE POST-COLD WAR ERA
 

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