Learning From Hitler

[The Great Goose]

kiyiiyhikl;

What's with all the stupid Hitler posts on this forum?

When you start throwing Hitler around it generally doesn't mean any insight will be found.

That's what idiots who support the same policies that the progressives (aka "Hitler supporters") of the WWI/WWII, pro-Nazi era always say. Of course you're going to object when people point out that you're still around, and still doing the same shit.

lets see, Hitler was a socialist and Bernie Sanders was a socialist but that does not mean anything???

Hitler had a lot of good policies. So does Sanders.

The only thing that Hitler did wrong, and the ONLY reason he's now reviled, is because he ADOPTED PROGRESSIVE POLICIES of population control, legalized human rights violations in the name of "science".... and legalized murder.

Either that or he disregarded the world financial system.

 

[Indeependent]

Many on the Right supported Hitler.
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of course thats 100% stupid, illiterate, and liberal. Hitler was a National Socialist for a huge powerful govt, exactly the opposite of the right.

See why we are 100% positive that a liberal will be stupid. What other conclusion is possible??

Which is why Bill Gates and Larry Ellison can hand over legislation to Congress and get it passed.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Which is why Bill Gates and Larry Ellison can hand over legislation to Congress and get it passed.

why can Bill Gates and Larry Ellison can hand over legislation to Congress and get it passed??????????????

 

[Indeependent]

Which is why Bill Gates and Larry Ellison can hand over legislation to Congress and get it passed.

why can Bill Gates and Larry Ellison can hand over legislation to Congress and get it passed??????????????

Because they can give ENORMOUS contributions.
Oh, I get it...you're going to post that ENORMOUS contributions have no influence over legislators.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

ENORMOUS contributions have no influence over legislators.

Very little obviously which explains why our corporate tax is the highest in the world, the top 1% pay 40% of all taxes, Gates and Ellison did make their competition illegal with contributions, etc etc.

 

[Political Junky]

kiyiiyhikl;

What's with all the stupid Hitler posts on this forum?

When you start throwing Hitler around it generally doesn't mean any insight will be found.

That's what idiots who support the same policies that the progressives (aka "Hitler supporters") of the WWI/WWII, pro-Nazi era always say. Of course you're going to object when people point out that you're still around, and still doing the same shit.

lets see, Hitler was a socialist and Bernie Sanders was a socialist but that does not mean anything???

Inhumane Society
Even though Hitler led a political party known as the "National Socialist German Workers' Party," he was no socialist. In fact, he despised socialism and communism and worked to eradicate both those ideologies; the Nazism he espoused was a political ideology based on race, not class.

 

[Indeependent]

ENORMOUS contributions have no influence over legislators.

Very little obviously which explains why our corporate tax is the highest in the world, the top 1% pay 40% of all taxes, Gates and Ellison did make their competition illegal with contributions, etc etc.

I explained that yesterday, Mr. Alzheimer's.
MNCs prefer a lifetime of Low Wages, No Time Off, No Pension Management, No Health Benefits.
Go ahead, make me repeat the same posting tomorrow.

 

[HenryBHough]

It's only for the fact that facial hair doesn't come easy to halfsies that Our Kenyan President doesn't have one of those cute little mustaches.

 

[guno]

kiyiiyhikl;

What's with all the stupid Hitler posts on this forum?

When you start throwing Hitler around it generally doesn't mean any insight will be found.

That's what idiots who support the same policies that the progressives (aka "Hitler supporters") of the WWI/WWII, pro-Nazi era always say. Of course you're going to object when people point out that you're still around, and still doing the same shit.

lets see, Hitler was a socialist and Bernie Sanders was a socialist but that does not mean anything???

Inhumane Society
Even though Hitler led a political party known as the "National Socialist German Workers' Party," he was no socialist. In fact, he despised socialism and communism and worked to eradicate both those ideologies; the Nazism he espoused was a political ideology based on race, not class.

 

[danielpalos]

In my mind these two articles have a single theme:

Why Aren't Murderous Communists Condemned Like Nazis Are?
Tue, Aug 07 2012 00:00:00 E A13_ISSUES
By WALTER E. WILLIAMS
Posted 08/06/2012 06:58 PM ET

Socialists And Communists Are Even Bigger Murderers Than Hitler's Nazis Were - Investors.com

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August 7, 2012
Vetting Conference Exposes More of Obama's Marxist Ties
James Simpson

Blog: Vetting Conference Exposes More of Obama's Marxist Ties

Walter E. Williams asks:

Why are the horrors of Nazism so well-known and widely condemned, but not those of socialism and communism? What goes untaught — and possibly is covered up — is that socialist and communist ideas have produced the greatest evil in mankind's history.

One answer can be seen in those who rant against war while calling for bigger government. The number of dead caused by all of the wars in the past five centuries is less than the total the number of murders modern totalitarian governments committed against their own people in just the last century. The totals cited by Professor Williams should shock every so-called pacificist out of their cherished benevolent-government fantasies:

Between 1917 and 1987, Vladimir Lenin, Josef Stalin and their successors murdered and were otherwise responsible for the deaths of 62 million of their own people. Between 1949 and 1987, China's communists, led by Mao Zedong and his successors, murdered and were otherwise responsible for the deaths of 76 million Chinese.

The most authoritative tally of history's most murderous regimes is documented on University of Hawaii Professor Rudolph J. Rummel's website, at Freedom, Democide, War: Home Page, and in his book "Death by Government."

How much hunting down and punishment have there been for these communist murderers? To the contrary, it's acceptable both in Europe and in the U.S. to hoist and march under the former USSR's red flag emblazoned with a hammer and sickle.

Mao Zedong has been long admired by academics and leftists across our country, as they often marched around singing the praises of Mao and waving his little red book, "Quotations From Chairman Mao Tse-tung." President Obama's communications director, Anita Dunn, in her June 2009 commencement address to St. Andrews Episcopal High School at Washington National Cathedral, said Mao was one of her heroes.

Interestingly, it was Adolf Hitler, not Lenin or Stalin, who clearly stated everything Hussein & Company personify. Hitler reduced everything they do to the four words in the final sentence:

"Of what importance is all that, if I range men firmly within a discipline they cannot escape? Let them own land or factories as much as they please. The decisive factor is that the State, through the Party, is supreme over them regardless of whether they are owners or workers. All that is unessential; our socialism goes far deeper. It establishes a relationship of the individual to the State, the national community. Why need we trouble to socialize banks and factories? We socialize human beings."

Williams identifies the worst offenders:

Path To Genocide

Whether it's the academic community, the media elite, stalwarts of the Democratic Party or organizations such as the NAACP, the National Council of La Raza, Green for All, the Sierra Club and the Children's Defense Fund, there is a great tolerance for the ideas of socialism — a system that has caused more deaths and human misery than all other systems combined.

I want to separate the children from the others by turning to Hitler again:

“When an opponent declares, ‘I will not come over to your side,’ I calmly say, Your child belongs to us already. . . . What are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing else but this new community.”

If you doubt where American Communists were going long before Hussein came along apply Hitler’s Children to Communist control of the public education system in this country.

Ninety-nine percent of Socialist education is formulated especially to indoctrinate young children into the joys of collectivism. Implanting the idea that there is good totalitarian government and bad totalitarian government is critical. All of the propaganda apparatus at the government’s disposal cannot bury the bad. There is too much known about totalitarian governments to hide the bad; more so since the Internet.

Further education all the way through higher education reinforces the concept of good and bad totalitarian governments. Proof: Professor Williams’ et al., exposing totalitarianism’s innate cruelty drives Socialists to point to Communist China and say “See, communism is working. That’s good totalitarian government.”

Obviously, the media elite, along with stalwarts of the Democrat party, totally ignore the Mao cited by Professor Williams, and the incomprehensible brutality Mao initiated against his own people in order to make communism work.

To Socialists/Communists there is but one sin: Pointing out that totalitarian governments must kill everyone who resists no matter how slight that resistence might be, and they must kill quickly, without mercy, lest they be overthrown by revolution. In the end, every totalitarian government will always do what Hitler, and Stalin, and Mao, and Pol Pot, and Castro and others did best —— murder, torture and enslave. Regardless of the evidence some still insist that a benevolent totalitarian government is possible.

Moving on

I learned something from James Simpson’s piece that surprised me:

This working relationship, and how it developed, was explained in depth by a prominent Soviet KGB defector, Konstantin Preobrazhensky, who spoke on his report, Communists and Muslims, the Hidden Hand of the KGB. For example, he describes the work of Karim Hakimov, a Soviet KGB operative who was one of the first of many "Muslims with a communist heart". An expert in Islam, he helped found the modern state of Saudi Arabia and befriended King Saud. He was instrumental in forming an anti-West group which was the precursor to the Organization of Islamic Cooperation. As a result, Russia has "Observer" status with the group.

He also cites Alexander Litvinenko, the KGB agent murdered by the Kremlin with Polonium 210, who charged that al Qaeda's current leader, Ayman al Zawahiri, was a trained agent of the KGB. Preobrazhensky further discusses a Taliban leader and close advisor to Osama bin Laden, Juma Namangoniy. Namangoniy was born in Soviet Uzbekistan and was also a KGB-trained communist. He was supposedly killed by coalition forces but his body has not been found.

I was surprised to learn there were Muslim Communists with so much political influence, while I understand the marriage between the two ideologies perfectly. Islam and Communism are totalitarian theocracies.

Again, one can turn to Hitler who sanctioned marriage between totalitarians in a different context: Nazi Party recruiters had one standing order: Recruit new members from the ranks of the Communists because they always make the best Fascists. The context is different because Communists will not make the best Muslims, nor will Muslims make the best Communists.

Identical methods of subjugation aside, Muslims are asking for the dirty end of the stick on this one. A Muslim Communist might believe that Communist ideology can be adapted to accommodate Islam, while Communists will never allow any Supreme Deity religion to survive after Socialists/Communists consolidate political power. Indeed, Muslims will be slaughtered first because Communists fear all other forms of totalitarian government. Hitler covered that one, too.

“The great strength of the totalitarian state is that it forces those who fear it to imitate it.”

There is no way in hell one totalitarian government will share power with another for very long. Hitler understood what had to be done; so he invaded the Soviet Union. Hitler well-knew that Stalin would have done it to Nazi Germany at the first opportunity. In fact, the very nature of totalitarian government abhors power-sharing. In that same vain it is logical to assume Mussolini’s Italy was first on Hitler’s hit list after Germany won the war.

WWII

I’ve always said the wrong side won WWII in Europe. Communism is still alive and well while Fascism has disappeared. There is not one openly Fascist country today although many countries are dictatorships. There are several Communist countries.

Had Nazi Germany won WWII in Europe I doubt very much if that brand of totalitarian government would have survived after Hitler and Mussolini died. It is certain Nazism would not be a worldwide movement today as is socialism/communism. Fascists most certainly never would have infiltrated our government to the extent Communists have succeeded. In short: Hussein the Fascist would not have come as far as did Hussein the Communist.

Finally, the single theme I referred to in the first sentence of this thread:

It was decent but misguided earlier generations of Germans — who would have cringed at the thought of genocide — who created the Trojan horse for Hitler's ascendancy. Today's Americans are similarly accepting the massive consolidation of power in Washington in the name of social justice. Walter E. Williams

And this:​

. . . a huge network of U.S. and foreign communist and hard left organizations connected to this President has colluded with radical Islam for decades to oversee the destruction of their mutual enemy: America. James Simpson

Seems like special pleading. The Nazis were out to conquer their sphere of influence. Communists were merely struggling, internally. It could be a fallacy of false Cause. Our Civil War killed many, no communism required.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

In my mind these two articles have a single theme:

Why Aren't Murderous Communists Condemned Like Nazis Are?
Tue, Aug 07 2012 00:00:00 E A13_ISSUES
By WALTER E. WILLIAMS
Posted 08/06/2012 06:58 PM ET

Socialists And Communists Are Even Bigger Murderers Than Hitler's Nazis Were - Investors.com

XXXXX​

August 7, 2012
Vetting Conference Exposes More of Obama's Marxist Ties
James Simpson

Blog: Vetting Conference Exposes More of Obama's Marxist Ties

Walter E. Williams asks:

...

Wow Walter is still relevant? He's a smart and funny guy. I wonder where all these communists are that need condemning?

 

[koshergrl]

kiyiiyhikl;

What's with all the stupid Hitler posts on this forum?

When you start throwing Hitler around it generally doesn't mean any insight will be found.

That's what idiots who support the same policies that the progressives (aka "Hitler supporters") of the WWI/WWII, pro-Nazi era always say. Of course you're going to object when people point out that you're still around, and still doing the same shit.

lets see, Hitler was a socialist and Bernie Sanders was a socialist but that does not mean anything???

Inhumane Society
Even though Hitler led a political party known as the "National Socialist German Workers' Party," he was no socialist. In fact, he despised socialism and communism and worked to eradicate both those ideologies; the Nazism he espoused was a political ideology based on race, not class.

"Just as progressives were generally enthusiastic about socialist movements in the Soviet Union and Europe, they were also overwhelmingly supportive of the fascist movements in Italy and Germany during the 1920s and 1930s. “In many respects,” writes journalist Jonah Goldberg, “the founding fathers of modern liberalism, the men and women who laid the intellectual groundwork of the New Deal and the welfare state, thought that fascism sounded like ... a worthwhile 'experiment'” Progressive Support for Italian and German Fascism - Discover the Networks

"
Darling of the far left Sen. Elizabeth Warren released her 11 commandments of progressivism this week during her stop at the Netroots Nation annual conference.
The National Journal reported:
– “We believe that Wall Street needs stronger rules and tougher enforcement, and we’re willing to fight for it.”
– “We believe in science, and that means that we have a responsibility to protect this Earth.”
– “We believe that the Internet shouldn’t be rigged to benefit big corporations, and that means real net neutrality.”
– “We believe that no one should work full-time and still live in poverty, and that means raising the minimum wage.”
– “We believe that fast-food workers deserve a livable wage, and that means that when they take to the picket line, we are proud to fight alongside them.”
– “We believe that students are entitled to get an education without being crushed by debt.”
– “We believe that after a lifetime of work, people are entitled to retire with dignity, and that means protecting Social Security, Medicare, and pensions.”
– “We believe—I can’t believe I have to say this in 2014—we believe in equal pay for equal work.”
– “We believe that equal means equal, and that’s true in marriage, it’s true in the workplace, it’s true in all of America.”
– “We believe that immigration has made this country strong and vibrant, and that means reform.”
– “And we believe that corporations are not people, that women have a right to their bodies. We will overturn Hobby Lobby and we will fight for it. We will fight for it!”
And the main tenet of conservatives’ philosophy, according to Warren? “I got mine. The rest of you are on your own.”

“The 25 Points of Hitler’s Nazi Party”
1. We demand the union of all Germans in a Great Germany on the basis of the principle of self-determination of all peoples.
2. We demand that the German people have rights equal to those of other nations; and that the Peace Treaties of Versailles and St. Germain shall be abrogated.
3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the maintenance of our people and the settlement of our surplus population.
4. Only those who are our fellow countrymen can become citizens. Only those who have German blood, regardless of creed, can be our countrymen. Hence no Jew can be a countryman.
5. Those who are not citizens must live in Germany as foreigners and must be subject to the law of aliens.
6. The right to choose the government and determine the laws of the State shall belong only to citizens. We therefore demand that no public office, of whatever nature, whether in the central government, the province, or the municipality, shall be held by anyone who is not a citizen.
We wage war against the corrupt parliamentary administration whereby men are appointed to posts by favor of the party without regard to character and fitness.
7. We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. If it should not be possible to feed the whole population, then aliens (non-citizens) must be expelled from the Reich.
8. Any further immigration of non-Germans must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who have entered Germany since August 2, 1914, shall be compelled to leave the Reich immediately.
9. All citizens must possess equal rights and duties.
10. The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. No individual shall do any work that offends against the interest of the community to the benefit of all.
Therefore we demand:
11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.
12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts.
14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries.
15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.
16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small tradespeople, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.
17. We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.
18. We demand that ruthless war be waged against those who work to the injury of the common welfare. Traitors, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished with death, regardless of creed or race.
19. We demand that Roman law, which serves a materialist ordering of the world, be replaced by German common law.
20. In order to make it possible for every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education, and thus the opportunity to reach into positions of leadership, the State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system of the people. The curricula of all educational establishments shall be adapted to practical life. The conception of the State Idea (science of citizenship) must be taught in the schools from the very beginning. We demand that specially talented children of poor parents, whatever their station or occupation, be educated at the expense of the State.
21. The State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centers, by prohibiting juvenile labor, by increasing physical fitness through the introduction of compulsory games and gymnastics, and by the greatest possible encouragement of associations concerned with the physical education of the young.
22. We demand the abolition of the regular army and the creation of a national (folk) army.
23. We demand that there be a legal campaign against those who propagate deliberate political lies and disseminate them through the press. In order to make possible the creation of a German press, we demand..."

Elizabeth Warren's List for Progressives Is EERILY SIMILAR to Hitler's Nazi List - The Gateway Pundit

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Even though Hitler led a political party known as the "National Socialist German Workers' Party," he was no socialist. In fact, he despised socialism and communism and worked to eradicate both those ideologies; the Nazism he espoused was a political ideology based on race, not class.

how totally stupid and liberal can you be?? Our genius Founders made no distinction between communism, liberalism, socialism, national socialism, monarchy, etc. They were all big govt and all equally illegal in America.

Simple concept but apparently too difficult for a treasonous liberal.

 

[Political Junky]

Even though Hitler led a political party known as the "National Socialist German Workers' Party," he was no socialist. In fact, he despised socialism and communism and worked to eradicate both those ideologies; the Nazism he espoused was a political ideology based on race, not class.

how totally stupid and liberal can you be?? Our genius Founders made no distinction between communism, liberalism, socialism, national socialism, monarchy, etc. They were all big govt and all equally illegal in America.

Simple concept but apparently too difficult for a treasonous liberal.

That statement is from Snopes. You omitted that.

 

[Indeependent]

Even though Hitler led a political party known as the "National Socialist German Workers' Party," he was no socialist. In fact, he despised socialism and communism and worked to eradicate both those ideologies; the Nazism he espoused was a political ideology based on race, not class.

how totally stupid and liberal can you be?? Our genius Founders made no distinction between communism, liberalism, socialism, national socialism, monarchy, etc. They were all big govt and all equally illegal in America.

Simple concept but apparently too difficult for a treasonous liberal.

That statement is from Snopes. You omitted that.

Something went haywire as I didn't post that.

 

[Indeependent]

Even though Hitler led a political party known as the "National Socialist German Workers' Party," he was no socialist. In fact, he despised socialism and communism and worked to eradicate both those ideologies; the Nazism he espoused was a political ideology based on race, not class.

how totally stupid and liberal can you be?? Our genius Founders made no distinction between communism, liberalism, socialism, national socialism, monarchy, etc. They were all big govt and all equally illegal in America.

Simple concept but apparently too difficult for a treasonous liberal.

The server went haywire as I didn't post that.
But the server has not been operating optimally in the last day or two.

 

[Flanders]

Seems like special pleading. The Nazis were out to conquer their sphere of influence. Communists were merely struggling, internally. It could be a fallacy of false Cause. Our Civil War killed many, no communism required.

To danielpalos: Sounds like you are pleading for Communism. Research the Soviet Union “. . . merely struggling, internally” in the Baltic States 1939 - 1940.

 

[danielpalos]

Seems like special pleading. The Nazis were out to conquer their sphere of influence. Communists were merely struggling, internally. It could be a fallacy of false Cause. Our Civil War killed many, no communism required.

To danielpalos: Sounds like you are pleading for Communism. Research the Soviet Union “. . . merely struggling, internally” in the Baltic States 1939 - 1940.

Nope; we already have the best form of socialism in the world; it even provides the least wealthy with steak and lobster.

And, you make it seem like capitalism didn't do something similar with indigenous peoples.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Hitler was a National Socialist liberal:
how totally stupid and liberal can you be?? Our genius Founders made no distinction between communism, liberalism, socialism, national socialism, monarchy, etc. They were all big govt and all equally illegal in America.

Simple concept but apparently too difficult for a treasonous liberal.

 

[Political Junky]

Hitler was a National Socialist liberal:
how totally stupid and liberal can you be?? Our genius Founders made no distinction between communism, liberalism, socialism, national socialism, monarchy, etc. They were all big govt and all equally illegal in America.

Simple concept but apparently too difficult for a treasonous liberal.

BS