CDZ Law abiding citizens should be able to carry a gun, open or concealed in any state...

[yiostheoy]

This should be obvious to anyone who understands the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and how we catch criminals.......if you are a law abiding citizen, you should be able to carry a gun either concealed or open......in any state in the union without fear of arrest or prosecution...why don't you anti gunners get that?

I have worked in hosptals almost all of my adult life-------I have seen mothers lying on the emergency room floor screaming (some kid found dad's gun)

Negligent gun storage is no excuse for blaming the gun.

It is the fault of the negligent gun owner.

No sense in punishing others who are responsible gun owners.

 

[yiostheoy]

This should be obvious to anyone who understands the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and how we catch criminals.......if you are a law abiding citizen, you should be able to carry a gun either concealed or open......in any state in the union without fear of arrest or prosecution...why don't you anti gunners get that?

Isn't that Trump's position as well? I believe I read that it was.

I believe that Trump will go for the ----right to bear arms thing----until someone decides to put some lead in his head

Anyone who wants to can take a shot at any politician even Mr. T.

If you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns.

 

[yiostheoy]

Would you require a literacy test for voting? Or a test on the U.S. political system before voting?

Absolutely, and one demonstrating knowledge of the local, state, [band[/b] Federal political system. Those who can't pass all three can vote in those areas they did pass.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed"

When the government is is given the power to test people before granting them protected rights, those rights are no longer endowed on those people by their creator. They are endowed by the government.

The entire concept goes against the very foundations of what America is supposed to stand for - rights and freedom that are intrinsic to man rather than as a gift from government.

God however did not make all men equal.

Samuel Colt did.

 

[Muhammed]

This should be obvious to anyone who understands the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and how we catch criminals.......if you are a law abiding citizen, you should be able to carry a gun either concealed or open......in any state in the union without fear of arrest or prosecution...why don't you anti gunners get that?

I have worked in hosptals almost all of my adult life-------I have seen mothers lying on the emergency room floor screaming (some kid found dad's gun)

Yeah.......out of 357 million guns in private hands about 50 kids a year have that happen.........and the relevance to this thread would be?

The back yard swimming pool is much more likely to kill your child than your gun and therefore we should outlaw swimming pools?

Back yard pools can be required to have safety devices that make them inaccessible to those not responsible enough to have adult access.

Prove it.

 

[yiostheoy]

The back yard swimming pool is much more likely to kill your child than your gun and therefore we should outlaw swimming pools?

Most people do not realize that drowning is the #1 killer of kids, and in 2nd place is falling.

Guns indeed have nothing to do with it.

Good post thanks Muhammed

 

[there4eyeM]

Governments secure rights because words are human creations and require human institutions to give them value.

 

[Picaro]

More ridiculous analogies. Nobody carries their fricking swimming pool around with them in public for kids to drown in, and yes many jurisdictions have safety regulations for them, too. But hey, go ahead and start some ridiculous campaign to 'de-regulate swimming pools', so we can all laugh at that as well. It would be hilarious.

 

[there4eyeM]

Pools also do not have a kilometer + range.

 

[Picaro]

Certainly, it would be nice to have the greatest amount of free choice and liberty for adults; no prohibition, no identity cards or controls, no pollution and poisoning imposed upon the innocent, etc. Rational people know that carrying firearms all the time is unnecessary (with tendencies to paranoia) and dangerous.

Well, we know for a fact that many Americans, and 'everybody else' on the planet, will manage to harm a s many people as they can in pursuit of their own self-interests with few objections and to hell with 'everybody else' for the most part, with a few exceptions, like Christians and some Buddhists or other, and most regulations come about because 'The People' themselves demand them, and most business regulations come from businessmen, etc., etc., so the basis of arguments that 'government intrusions' come from outer space and all govt. employees are space aliens who just drop in from nowhere and start ordering us around as many of the right wingers obviously believe or try to peddle as a narrative is morphed into a form of insanity built on circular reasoning, and people are right to ignore them and get along with trying to come up with real solutions, and not allowing people with no basic rudimentary training in firearms being free to walk around in public places with them is just stupid, period.

 

[there4eyeM]

Whew! Take a breath!

 

[2aguy]

Certainly, it would be nice to have the greatest amount of free choice and liberty for adults; no prohibition, no identity cards or controls, no pollution and poisoning imposed upon the innocent, etc. Rational people know that carrying firearms all the time is unnecessary (with tendencies to paranoia) and dangerous.

Until it isn't.....until you encounter a human monster and then the time you didn't carry your gun is the last time you didn't carry your gun....

Since you appear to be psychic.....maybe you could start a business and tell people the days they do not need to carry and the day they absolutely have to carry.....that would be a great business to start...

 

[2aguy]

Certainly, it would be nice to have the greatest amount of free choice and liberty for adults; no prohibition, no identity cards or controls, no pollution and poisoning imposed upon the innocent, etc. Rational people know that carrying firearms all the time is unnecessary (with tendencies to paranoia) and dangerous.

not to mention, an increase in accidents due to more, rather than less, non-well regulated militia having access to guns.

You are wrong....as more Americans have owned and carried guns...our accidental gun death rate has gone down...as has non fatal gun accident rates...please.....try to inform yourself before you post.

 

[2aguy]

Certainly, it would be nice to have the greatest amount of free choice and liberty for adults; no prohibition, no identity cards or controls, no pollution and poisoning imposed upon the innocent, etc. Rational people know that carrying firearms all the time is unnecessary (with tendencies to paranoia) and dangerous.

not to mention, an increase in accidents due to more, rather than less, non-well regulated militia having access to guns.

And here are something called facts.....and statistics that show you are wrong...

First, non fatal gun accident rates as we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s...and 4.7 million people carrying guns in 1997 to 357-400 million guns in private hands in 2016 and 15 million people carrying guns for self defense....

Notice...the accident rate is going down, not up....you are wrong...

Non fatal gun injury stats from 1993......

Nonfatal and Fatal Firearm-Related Injuries -- United States, 1993-1997
1993... 104,390
1994... 89,744
1995... 84,322
1996... 69,649
1997... 64,207
http://www.cdc.gov/MMWR/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5002a1.htm
1998... 79,384
http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/nfirates2001.html

CDC non fatal gun accident.....

2001.... 17,696

2002... 17,579

2003... 18,941

2004... 16,555

2005... 15,388

2006... 14,678

2007... 15,698

2008... 17,215

2009... 18,610

2010... 14,161

2011... 14,675

2012... 17,362

2013... 16,864

2014..... 15,928

 

[2aguy]

Certainly, it would be nice to have the greatest amount of free choice and liberty for adults; no prohibition, no identity cards or controls, no pollution and poisoning imposed upon the innocent, etc. Rational people know that carrying firearms all the time is unnecessary (with tendencies to paranoia) and dangerous.

not to mention, an increase in accidents due to more, rather than less, non-well regulated militia having access to guns.

And now accidental death by gun...again, from the CDC....notice again that as more Americans owned and carried guns the rate has gone down, not up......you are wrong...

http://webappa.cdc.gov/cgi-bin/broker.exe

2014.....486

2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824

 

[Muhammed]

This should be obvious to anyone who understands the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and how we catch criminals.......if you are a law abiding citizen, you should be able to carry a gun either concealed or open......in any state in the union without fear of arrest or prosecution...why don't you anti gunners get that?

We do; it is gun lovers that complain about registering for posse duty.

Can you give a few specific examples of "gun lovers" complaining about "posse duty"?

 

[FA_Q2]

Certainly, it would be nice to have the greatest amount of free choice and liberty for adults; no prohibition, no identity cards or controls, no pollution and poisoning imposed upon the innocent, etc. Rational people know that carrying firearms all the time is unnecessary (with tendencies to paranoia) and dangerous.

not to mention, an increase in accidents due to more, rather than less, non-well regulated militia having access to guns.

Then you should be able to show that as guns have increased accidental deaths have as well....

Except that is not the case.

This should be obvious to anyone who understands the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and how we catch criminals.......if you are a law abiding citizen, you should be able to carry a gun either concealed or open......in any state in the union without fear of arrest or prosecution...why don't you anti gunners get that?

I have worked in hosptals almost all of my adult life-------I have seen mothers lying on the emergency room floor screaming (some kid found dad's gun)

Yeah.......out of 357 million guns in private hands about 50 kids a year have that happen.........and the relevance to this thread would be?

The back yard swimming pool is much more likely to kill your child than your gun and therefore we should outlaw swimming pools?

Back yard pools can be required to have safety devices that make them inaccessible to those not responsible enough to have adult access.

And yet they still kill far more children.

More to the point, guns already have such regulations as well. Those that are not responsible are bared from owning a firearm and firearm design and sales are heavily regulated.

 

[danielpalos]

Certainly, it would be nice to have the greatest amount of free choice and liberty for adults; no prohibition, no identity cards or controls, no pollution and poisoning imposed upon the innocent, etc. Rational people know that carrying firearms all the time is unnecessary (with tendencies to paranoia) and dangerous.

not to mention, an increase in accidents due to more, rather than less, non-well regulated militia having access to guns.

You are wrong....as more Americans have owned and carried guns...our accidental gun death rate has gone down...as has non fatal gun accident rates...please.....try to inform yourself before you post.

doesn't make statistical sense. the law of large numbers applies.

 

[danielpalos]

Certainly, it would be nice to have the greatest amount of free choice and liberty for adults; no prohibition, no identity cards or controls, no pollution and poisoning imposed upon the innocent, etc. Rational people know that carrying firearms all the time is unnecessary (with tendencies to paranoia) and dangerous.

not to mention, an increase in accidents due to more, rather than less, non-well regulated militia having access to guns.

And here are something called facts.....and statistics that show you are wrong...

First, non fatal gun accident rates as we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s...and 4.7 million people carrying guns in 1997 to 357-400 million guns in private hands in 2016 and 15 million people carrying guns for self defense....

Notice...the accident rate is going down, not up....you are wrong...

Non fatal gun injury stats from 1993......

Nonfatal and Fatal Firearm-Related Injuries -- United States, 1993-1997
1993... 104,390
1994... 89,744
1995... 84,322
1996... 69,649
1997... 64,207
http://www.cdc.gov/MMWR/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5002a1.htm
1998... 79,384
http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/nfirates2001.html

CDC non fatal gun accident.....

2001.... 17,696

2002... 17,579

2003... 18,941

2004... 16,555

2005... 15,388

2006... 14,678

2007... 15,698

2008... 17,215

2009... 18,610

2010... 14,161

2011... 14,675

2012... 17,362

2013... 16,864

2014..... 15,928

does that factor for safety regulations? guns and pools should have similarities.

 

[danielpalos]

Certainly, it would be nice to have the greatest amount of free choice and liberty for adults; no prohibition, no identity cards or controls, no pollution and poisoning imposed upon the innocent, etc. Rational people know that carrying firearms all the time is unnecessary (with tendencies to paranoia) and dangerous.

not to mention, an increase in accidents due to more, rather than less, non-well regulated militia having access to guns.

And now accidental death by gun...again, from the CDC....notice again that as more Americans owned and carried guns the rate has gone down, not up......you are wrong...

http://webappa.cdc.gov/cgi-bin/broker.exe

2014.....486

2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824

due to gun control laws.

 

[danielpalos]

This should be obvious to anyone who understands the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and how we catch criminals.......if you are a law abiding citizen, you should be able to carry a gun either concealed or open......in any state in the union without fear of arrest or prosecution...why don't you anti gunners get that?

We do; it is gun lovers that complain about registering for posse duty.

Can you give a few specific examples of "gun lovers" complaining about "posse duty"?

Why no posse duty registry, so gun lovers can love their guns in public, with no problem.