Late Stage Socialism: Venezuela Kidnaps Chevron Execs

[T.E.C. - Iowa]

Bite the hand.

Chevron said on Tuesday two of its executives were arrested in Venezuela, a rare move likely to spook foreign energy firms still operating in the OPEC nation stricken by hyperinflation, shortages and crime. […]

I think the word is “kidnapped”.

The arrests highlight risks for foreign firms in Venezuela. Some insiders say a fracturing ruling elite is using the purge to wage turf wars or settle scores.


Venezuela arrests two Chevron executives amid oil purge

No surprise Venezuela has problems! You can bet that the CIA and others are working, from both inside and outside of the country, to screw over the government - as in "regime change."

Yes, Venezuela would be a workers paradise but for America.

Standard socialist excuse #2: "it's not our fault, its country X trying to ruin us!"

Are you saying the CIA in not in Venezuela trying to screw things over?

Yes, it's the CIA's fault. Yes, an organization that said that WMD's were in Iraq and Trump colluded with Putin but can't seem to produce the documents.

Well done rube.

We already have sanctions against Venezuela, so the outside part is true. For the inside part, go to the article, "CIA chief hints agency is working to change Venezuelan government" with the subtitle, "The US has a long and bloody history of meddling in Latin America's affairs."

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Bite the hand.

Chevron said on Tuesday two of its executives were arrested in Venezuela, a rare move likely to spook foreign energy firms still operating in the OPEC nation stricken by hyperinflation, shortages and crime. […]

I think the word is “kidnapped”.

The arrests highlight risks for foreign firms in Venezuela. Some insiders say a fracturing ruling elite is using the purge to wage turf wars or settle scores.


Venezuela arrests two Chevron executives amid oil purge

I got news for ya: .whatever you call it that ain't socialism.

What is it then? LOL

 

[CrusaderFrank]

No surprise Venezuela has problems! You can bet that the CIA and others are working, from both inside and outside of the country, to screw over the government - as in "regime change."

Yes, Venezuela would be a workers paradise but for America.

Standard socialist excuse #2: "it's not our fault, its country X trying to ruin us!"

Are you saying the CIA in not in Venezuela trying to screw things over?

Yes, it's the CIA's fault. Yes, an organization that said that WMD's were in Iraq and Trump colluded with Putin but can't seem to produce the documents.

Well done rube.

We already have sanctions against Venezuela, so the outside part is true. For the inside part, go to the article, "CIA chief hints agency is working to change Venezuelan government" with the subtitle, "The US has a long and bloody history of meddling in Latin America's affairs."

Venezuela needs a Pinochet in the worst way

 

[T.E.C. - Iowa]

Bite the hand.

Chevron said on Tuesday two of its executives were arrested in Venezuela, a rare move likely to spook foreign energy firms still operating in the OPEC nation stricken by hyperinflation, shortages and crime. […]

I think the word is “kidnapped”.

The arrests highlight risks for foreign firms in Venezuela. Some insiders say a fracturing ruling elite is using the purge to wage turf wars or settle scores.


Venezuela arrests two Chevron executives amid oil purge

No surprise Venezuela has problems! You can bet that the CIA and others are working, from both inside and outside of the country, to screw over the government - as in "regime change."

Chavez and Maduro bear no responsibility of course

About "Chavez and Maduro bear no responsibility", all people and governments are responsible. Yet, America has never taken responsibility for what it has done in South and Central America. Or maybe you are proud of the way Reagan supported "death Squads" in Central America.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Bite the hand.

Chevron said on Tuesday two of its executives were arrested in Venezuela, a rare move likely to spook foreign energy firms still operating in the OPEC nation stricken by hyperinflation, shortages and crime. […]

I think the word is “kidnapped”.

The arrests highlight risks for foreign firms in Venezuela. Some insiders say a fracturing ruling elite is using the purge to wage turf wars or settle scores.


Venezuela arrests two Chevron executives amid oil purge

No surprise Venezuela has problems! You can bet that the CIA and others are working, from both inside and outside of the country, to screw over the government - as in "regime change."

Chavez and Maduro bear no responsibility of course

About "Chavez and Maduro bear no responsibility", all people and governments are responsible. Yet, America has never taken responsibility for what it has done in South and Central America. Or maybe you are proud of the way Reagan supported "death Squads" in Central America.

I used to think Pinochet was an evil prick, then I saw what he saw and how truly fucking evil Socialist/Communist are.

 

[martybegan]

Bite the hand.

Chevron said on Tuesday two of its executives were arrested in Venezuela, a rare move likely to spook foreign energy firms still operating in the OPEC nation stricken by hyperinflation, shortages and crime. […]

I think the word is “kidnapped”.

The arrests highlight risks for foreign firms in Venezuela. Some insiders say a fracturing ruling elite is using the purge to wage turf wars or settle scores.


Venezuela arrests two Chevron executives amid oil purge

No surprise Venezuela has problems! You can bet that the CIA and others are working, from both inside and outside of the country, to screw over the government - as in "regime change."

Yes, Venezuela would be a workers paradise but for America.

Standard socialist excuse #2: "it's not our fault, its country X trying to ruin us!"

Are you saying the CIA in not in Venezuela trying to screw things over?

I'm saying the Venezuelans are more than capable of screwing themselves.

The CIA had better have people there, or they are not doing their jobs.

 

[T.E.C. - Iowa]

Yes, Venezuela would be a workers paradise but for America.

Standard socialist excuse #2: "it's not our fault, its country X trying to ruin us!"

Are you saying the CIA in not in Venezuela trying to screw things over?

Yes, it's the CIA's fault. Yes, an organization that said that WMD's were in Iraq and Trump colluded with Putin but can't seem to produce the documents.

Well done rube.

We already have sanctions against Venezuela, so the outside part is true. For the inside part, go to the article, "CIA chief hints agency is working to change Venezuelan government" with the subtitle, "The US has a long and bloody history of meddling in Latin America's affairs."

Venezuela needs a Pinochet in the worst way

You have to remember that Pinochet's government embrace the most extreme form of Neoliberal capitalism - that is, it adamantly opposed socialism. If you read the Thatcher memo, you also find that form of government was opposed to democracy.

 

[T.E.C. - Iowa]

Bite the hand.

Chevron said on Tuesday two of its executives were arrested in Venezuela, a rare move likely to spook foreign energy firms still operating in the OPEC nation stricken by hyperinflation, shortages and crime. […]

I think the word is “kidnapped”.

The arrests highlight risks for foreign firms in Venezuela. Some insiders say a fracturing ruling elite is using the purge to wage turf wars or settle scores.


Venezuela arrests two Chevron executives amid oil purge

No surprise Venezuela has problems! You can bet that the CIA and others are working, from both inside and outside of the country, to screw over the government - as in "regime change."

Yes, Venezuela would be a workers paradise but for America.

Standard socialist excuse #2: "it's not our fault, its country X trying to ruin us!"

Are you saying the CIA in not in Venezuela trying to screw things over?

I'm saying the Venezuelans are more than capable of screwing themselves.

The CIA had better have people there, or they are not doing their jobs.

About "the Venezuelans are more than capable of screwing themselves", oh I get it. You think these people are incapable of making their own decisions and deciding for themselves what their future should be. That is, you don't believe in democracy for others. So, America steps in and steals their resources.

 

[Votto]

Standard socialist excuse #2: "it's not our fault, its country X trying to ruin us!"

Are you saying the CIA in not in Venezuela trying to screw things over?

Yes, it's the CIA's fault. Yes, an organization that said that WMD's were in Iraq and Trump colluded with Putin but can't seem to produce the documents.

Well done rube.

We already have sanctions against Venezuela, so the outside part is true. For the inside part, go to the article, "CIA chief hints agency is working to change Venezuelan government" with the subtitle, "The US has a long and bloody history of meddling in Latin America's affairs."

Venezuela needs a Pinochet in the worst way

You have to remember that Pinochet's government embrace the most extreme form of Neoliberal capitalism - that is, it adamantly opposed socialism. If you read the Thatcher memo, you also find that form of government was opposed to democracy.

Any top heavy dictatorship is a collectivist one.

There are all sorts of flavors, communism, socialism, fascism, etc. All fail for that same reason.

Then again, not even Pinochet's government saw 4000% inflation and people eating out of garbage cans, so maybe it was a better flavor of collectivism.

 

[martybegan]

No surprise Venezuela has problems! You can bet that the CIA and others are working, from both inside and outside of the country, to screw over the government - as in "regime change."

Yes, Venezuela would be a workers paradise but for America.

Standard socialist excuse #2: "it's not our fault, its country X trying to ruin us!"

Are you saying the CIA in not in Venezuela trying to screw things over?

I'm saying the Venezuelans are more than capable of screwing themselves.

The CIA had better have people there, or they are not doing their jobs.

About "the Venezuelans are more than capable of screwing themselves", oh I get it. You think these people are incapable of making their own decisions and deciding for themselves what their future should be. That is, you don't believe in democracy for others. So, America steps in and steals their resources.

Do they currently have a functioning democratic republic down there?

Yes or no?

My god are some moron college student being spoon fed garbage from some lefty professor?

 

[T.E.C. - Iowa]

Are you saying the CIA in not in Venezuela trying to screw things over?

Yes, it's the CIA's fault. Yes, an organization that said that WMD's were in Iraq and Trump colluded with Putin but can't seem to produce the documents.

Well done rube.

We already have sanctions against Venezuela, so the outside part is true. For the inside part, go to the article, "CIA chief hints agency is working to change Venezuelan government" with the subtitle, "The US has a long and bloody history of meddling in Latin America's affairs."

Venezuela needs a Pinochet in the worst way

You have to remember that Pinochet's government embrace the most extreme form of Neoliberal capitalism - that is, it adamantly opposed socialism. If you read the Thatcher memo, you also find that form of government was opposed to democracy.

Any top heavy dictatorship is a collectivist one.

There are all sorts of flavors, communism, socialism, fascism, etc. All fail for that same reason.

Then again, not even Pinochet's government saw 4000% inflation and people eating out of garbage cans, so maybe it was a better flavor of collectivism.

To say that "dictatorships" include "communism" and "socialism" means you do not understand the definitions of those words. Dictatorship is a form of government. Communism and socialism are economic systems. If they become totalitarian the sharing the was advocated in socialism is soon gone, and it is no longer socialism (e.g. the old Soviet Union and China today!)

 

[martybegan]

Yes, it's the CIA's fault. Yes, an organization that said that WMD's were in Iraq and Trump colluded with Putin but can't seem to produce the documents.

Well done rube.

We already have sanctions against Venezuela, so the outside part is true. For the inside part, go to the article, "CIA chief hints agency is working to change Venezuelan government" with the subtitle, "The US has a long and bloody history of meddling in Latin America's affairs."

Venezuela needs a Pinochet in the worst way

You have to remember that Pinochet's government embrace the most extreme form of Neoliberal capitalism - that is, it adamantly opposed socialism. If you read the Thatcher memo, you also find that form of government was opposed to democracy.

Any top heavy dictatorship is a collectivist one.

There are all sorts of flavors, communism, socialism, fascism, etc. All fail for that same reason.

Then again, not even Pinochet's government saw 4000% inflation and people eating out of garbage cans, so maybe it was a better flavor of collectivism.

To say that "dictatorships" include "communism" and "socialism" means you do not understand the definitions of those words. Dictatorship is a form of government. Communism and socialism are economic systems. If they become totalitarian the sharing the was advocated in socialism is soon gone, and it is no longer socialism (e.g. the old Soviet Union and China today!)

Nice try, but those were still socialist systems, and more often than not, they end up as oppressive authoritarian states because when you put all that power in one group's hands, they tend to over-use it.

Human nature.

 

[T.E.C. - Iowa]

Yes, Venezuela would be a workers paradise but for America.

Standard socialist excuse #2: "it's not our fault, its country X trying to ruin us!"

Are you saying the CIA in not in Venezuela trying to screw things over?

I'm saying the Venezuelans are more than capable of screwing themselves.

The CIA had better have people there, or they are not doing their jobs.

About "the Venezuelans are more than capable of screwing themselves", oh I get it. You think these people are incapable of making their own decisions and deciding for themselves what their future should be. That is, you don't believe in democracy for others. So, America steps in and steals their resources.

Do they currently have a functioning democratic republic down there?

Yes or no?

My god are some moron college student being spoon fed garbage from some lefty professor?

About "Do they currently have a functioning democratic republic down there?" It varies from country to country. Yet, let me return a question, Does America currently have a functioning democratic republic? Answer: No!

 

[martybegan]

Standard socialist excuse #2: "it's not our fault, its country X trying to ruin us!"

Are you saying the CIA in not in Venezuela trying to screw things over?

I'm saying the Venezuelans are more than capable of screwing themselves.

The CIA had better have people there, or they are not doing their jobs.

About "the Venezuelans are more than capable of screwing themselves", oh I get it. You think these people are incapable of making their own decisions and deciding for themselves what their future should be. That is, you don't believe in democracy for others. So, America steps in and steals their resources.

Do they currently have a functioning democratic republic down there?

Yes or no?

My god are some moron college student being spoon fed garbage from some lefty professor?

About "Do they currently have a functioning democratic republic down there?" It varies from country to country. Yet, let me return a question, Does America currently have a functioning democratic republic? Answer: No!

Yes, it does. Please tell me why it doesn't.

What is non-functional about our current republic?

 

[Votto]

Yes, it's the CIA's fault. Yes, an organization that said that WMD's were in Iraq and Trump colluded with Putin but can't seem to produce the documents.

Well done rube.

We already have sanctions against Venezuela, so the outside part is true. For the inside part, go to the article, "CIA chief hints agency is working to change Venezuelan government" with the subtitle, "The US has a long and bloody history of meddling in Latin America's affairs."

Venezuela needs a Pinochet in the worst way

You have to remember that Pinochet's government embrace the most extreme form of Neoliberal capitalism - that is, it adamantly opposed socialism. If you read the Thatcher memo, you also find that form of government was opposed to democracy.

Any top heavy dictatorship is a collectivist one.

There are all sorts of flavors, communism, socialism, fascism, etc. All fail for that same reason.

Then again, not even Pinochet's government saw 4000% inflation and people eating out of garbage cans, so maybe it was a better flavor of collectivism.

To say that "dictatorships" include "communism" and "socialism" means you do not understand the definitions of those words. Dictatorship is a form of government. Communism and socialism are economic systems. If they become totalitarian the sharing the was advocated in socialism is soon gone, and it is no longer socialism (e.g. the old Soviet Union and China today!)

But the economic conditions are what form dictatorships. It's all about control over the pocket book.

In fact, that is why socialism and communism have historically been so appealing to dictators such as Hitler. He called his party the socialist party as he micromanaged the economic activity of the populace so that he could siphon the money to two entities, the military and the welfare system.

Hitler's only goal was the conquest of the world, but he feared the internal uprisings that occurred during WW1 due to poor living standards, so he created a massive nanny state that gave the German people a higher standard of living throughout the war that was even better than the US and UK. Shrug, it worked. He bought off the people of Germany as he purchased their souls so that they would overlook mass genocide and never ending war. There were no uprisings like they saw during WW1

Both socialism and communism demand a never ending micromanagement of every aspect of society. Both systems are the most oppressive ever created.

 

[T.E.C. - Iowa]

Are you saying the CIA in not in Venezuela trying to screw things over?

I'm saying the Venezuelans are more than capable of screwing themselves.

The CIA had better have people there, or they are not doing their jobs.

About "the Venezuelans are more than capable of screwing themselves", oh I get it. You think these people are incapable of making their own decisions and deciding for themselves what their future should be. That is, you don't believe in democracy for others. So, America steps in and steals their resources.

Do they currently have a functioning democratic republic down there?

Yes or no?

My god are some moron college student being spoon fed garbage from some lefty professor?

About "Do they currently have a functioning democratic republic down there?" It varies from country to country. Yet, let me return a question, Does America currently have a functioning democratic republic? Answer: No!

Yes, it does. Please tell me why it doesn't.

What is non-functional about our current republic?

Well, the Princeton study "Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens" says in the abstract:

(Quote)

Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence. The results provide substantial support for theories of Economic-Elite Domination and for theories of Biased Pluralism, but not for theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy or Majoritarian Pluralis.

(End quote)

In other words, America does not have a functioning democratic republic!

 

[martybegan]

I'm saying the Venezuelans are more than capable of screwing themselves.

The CIA had better have people there, or they are not doing their jobs.

About "the Venezuelans are more than capable of screwing themselves", oh I get it. You think these people are incapable of making their own decisions and deciding for themselves what their future should be. That is, you don't believe in democracy for others. So, America steps in and steals their resources.

Do they currently have a functioning democratic republic down there?

Yes or no?

My god are some moron college student being spoon fed garbage from some lefty professor?

About "Do they currently have a functioning democratic republic down there?" It varies from country to country. Yet, let me return a question, Does America currently have a functioning democratic republic? Answer: No!

Yes, it does. Please tell me why it doesn't.

What is non-functional about our current republic?

Well, the Princeton study "Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens" says in the abstract:

(Quote)

Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence. The results provide substantial support for theories of Economic-Elite Domination and for theories of Biased Pluralism, but not for theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy or Majoritarian Pluralis.

(End quote)

In other words, America does not have a functioning democratic republic!

So some eggheads opinion is being taken as fact by a mouth breather like you....

So no real proof.

Thanks for playing, have fun being made fun of.

 

[T.E.C. - Iowa]

We already have sanctions against Venezuela, so the outside part is true. For the inside part, go to the article, "CIA chief hints agency is working to change Venezuelan government" with the subtitle, "The US has a long and bloody history of meddling in Latin America's affairs."

Venezuela needs a Pinochet in the worst way

You have to remember that Pinochet's government embrace the most extreme form of Neoliberal capitalism - that is, it adamantly opposed socialism. If you read the Thatcher memo, you also find that form of government was opposed to democracy.

Any top heavy dictatorship is a collectivist one.

There are all sorts of flavors, communism, socialism, fascism, etc. All fail for that same reason.

Then again, not even Pinochet's government saw 4000% inflation and people eating out of garbage cans, so maybe it was a better flavor of collectivism.

To say that "dictatorships" include "communism" and "socialism" means you do not understand the definitions of those words. Dictatorship is a form of government. Communism and socialism are economic systems. If they become totalitarian the sharing the was advocated in socialism is soon gone, and it is no longer socialism (e.g. the old Soviet Union and China today!)

But the economic conditions are what form dictatorships. It's all about control over the pocket book.

In fact, that is why socialism and communism have historically been so appealing to dictators such as Hitler. He called his party the socialist party as he micromanaged the economic activity of the populace so that he could siphon the money to two entities, the military and the welfare system.

Hitler's only goal was the conquest of the world, but he feared the internal uprisings that occurred during WW1 due to poor living standards, so he created a massive nanny state that gave the German people a higher standard of living throughout the war that was even better than the US and UK. Shrug, it worked. He bought off the people of Germany as he purchased their souls so that they would overlook mass genocide and never ending war. There were no uprisings like they saw during WW1

Both socialism and communism demand a never ending micromanagement of every aspect of society. Both systems are the most oppressive ever created.

About "socialism demand a never ending micromanagement", this is not true, if you have read on all forms of socialism. Remember "farmer cooperatives" are a form of socialism.

 

[Votto]

Venezuela needs a Pinochet in the worst way

You have to remember that Pinochet's government embrace the most extreme form of Neoliberal capitalism - that is, it adamantly opposed socialism. If you read the Thatcher memo, you also find that form of government was opposed to democracy.

Any top heavy dictatorship is a collectivist one.

There are all sorts of flavors, communism, socialism, fascism, etc. All fail for that same reason.

Then again, not even Pinochet's government saw 4000% inflation and people eating out of garbage cans, so maybe it was a better flavor of collectivism.

To say that "dictatorships" include "communism" and "socialism" means you do not understand the definitions of those words. Dictatorship is a form of government. Communism and socialism are economic systems. If they become totalitarian the sharing the was advocated in socialism is soon gone, and it is no longer socialism (e.g. the old Soviet Union and China today!)

But the economic conditions are what form dictatorships. It's all about control over the pocket book.

In fact, that is why socialism and communism have historically been so appealing to dictators such as Hitler. He called his party the socialist party as he micromanaged the economic activity of the populace so that he could siphon the money to two entities, the military and the welfare system.

Hitler's only goal was the conquest of the world, but he feared the internal uprisings that occurred during WW1 due to poor living standards, so he created a massive nanny state that gave the German people a higher standard of living throughout the war that was even better than the US and UK. Shrug, it worked. He bought off the people of Germany as he purchased their souls so that they would overlook mass genocide and never ending war. There were no uprisings like they saw during WW1

Both socialism and communism demand a never ending micromanagement of every aspect of society. Both systems are the most oppressive ever created.

About "socialism demand a never ending micromanagement", this is not true, if you have read on all forms of socialism. Remember "farmer cooperatives" are a form of socialism.

There are some forms that work, such as the Amish. Here though you have the option of "getting out" and not being Amish.

But from a secular government model, there is no way out. In fact, we see with Venezuela socialists blaming the US for their failure as if socialism can only work if it is world wide or something.

No, with socialism/communism, you either are forced into the system or you are oppressed by not participating.

 

[T.E.C. - Iowa]

You have to remember that Pinochet's government embrace the most extreme form of Neoliberal capitalism - that is, it adamantly opposed socialism. If you read the Thatcher memo, you also find that form of government was opposed to democracy.

Any top heavy dictatorship is a collectivist one.

There are all sorts of flavors, communism, socialism, fascism, etc. All fail for that same reason.

Then again, not even Pinochet's government saw 4000% inflation and people eating out of garbage cans, so maybe it was a better flavor of collectivism.

To say that "dictatorships" include "communism" and "socialism" means you do not understand the definitions of those words. Dictatorship is a form of government. Communism and socialism are economic systems. If they become totalitarian the sharing the was advocated in socialism is soon gone, and it is no longer socialism (e.g. the old Soviet Union and China today!)

But the economic conditions are what form dictatorships. It's all about control over the pocket book.

In fact, that is why socialism and communism have historically been so appealing to dictators such as Hitler. He called his party the socialist party as he micromanaged the economic activity of the populace so that he could siphon the money to two entities, the military and the welfare system.

Hitler's only goal was the conquest of the world, but he feared the internal uprisings that occurred during WW1 due to poor living standards, so he created a massive nanny state that gave the German people a higher standard of living throughout the war that was even better than the US and UK. Shrug, it worked. He bought off the people of Germany as he purchased their souls so that they would overlook mass genocide and never ending war. There were no uprisings like they saw during WW1

Both socialism and communism demand a never ending micromanagement of every aspect of society. Both systems are the most oppressive ever created.

About "socialism demand a never ending micromanagement", this is not true, if you have read on all forms of socialism. Remember "farmer cooperatives" are a form of socialism.

There are some forms that work, such as the Amish. Here though you have the option of "getting out" and not being Amish.

But from a secular government model, there is no way out. In fact, we see with Venezuela socialists blaming the US for their failure as if socialism can only work if it is world wide or something.

No, with socialism/communism, you either are forced into the system or you are oppressed by not participating.

About "getting out", ask the poor of America how they get out! There is no way for them to get out of this failing economy - and yes, for them, it has failed. Thus it is true that for capitalism "you either are forced into the system or you are oppressed by not participating."

About "Venezuela socialists blaming the US for their failure", you are trying to pretend that the US government is not trying to screw them over - and as such - you have no idea how much damage we are doing.

Add to this, some of Venezuela's problems are directly from features of capitalism. Much is made of the hunger in Venezuela. Yet, their agriculture was destroyed by "Dutch Disease", a well understood feature of capitalism.