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    I found this article interesting

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    Labels Matter: Progressive Better than Liberal, Reagan-Like Better than Conservative
    Thursday, July 26, 2007

    During last Monday’s Democratic Presidential debate, Senator Hillary Clinton indicated that she preferred to be called “progressive” rather than “liberal.” The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that is probably a good move--Americans are more receptive to the term progressive.

    Just 20% said they consider it a positive description to call a candidate politically liberal while 39% would view that description negatively. However, 35% would consider it a positive description to call a candidate politically progressive. Just 18% react negatively to that term. Those figures reflect a huge swing, from a net negative of nineteen points to a net positive of 17 points.

    On the other side of the ideological spectrum, being called politically conservative is considered a positive description by 32% and negative by 20%. It’s much better for a candidate to be described as being like Ronald Reagan—44% consider that a positive description and 25% negative. That swing is meaningful, but not as dramatic as the difference between liberal and progressive. Being called conservative generates a net 12 point positive response that jumps to 19 points when someone is said to be like Reagan.

    There are more self-identified conservatives in the United States than self-identified liberals.

    Describing someone as a political moderate is viewed positively by 29% and negatively by 12%.






    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub..._liberal_reagan_like_better_than_conservative
     
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    That the constant linking of liberals to negative actions by the right has actually worked. People like liberal ideas, they just had a negative view of liberals because of constant smear tactics.
     
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    Same thing as repeting the lies about WMDs and Iraq AQ ties over and over and over and over.

    People hear it enough times and assume its true.

    which is why they say Democrat party instead of Democratic party.

    They are trying to disasociate the Democratic party with democracy.

    That is why I always end up with some neocon argueing with me that America is not a Democracy, they want to destroy they Good name of our party in peoples minds.
     
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    Mostly because liberals ideas have NOT worked is the reason it has worked
     
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    Ah, Dems did say Saddam had WMD's and was trying to get nukes

    Dems are their own worst enemy
     
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    http://tinyurl.com/j9j5o


    This study shows how the American people really feel about liberal ideas.

    Given the power to make a budget the people make a budget which reflects in the liberal theorys.

    Cut Defense and Increase social spendig
     
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    I disagree. There are no "constant smear tactics." Where? Talk radio? One TV channel? A handful of newpapers? Compared to the constant barrage of pro-liberal agenda by the rest of the MSM?

    The fact is, liberals kill themselves by never standing "for" anything; rather, always "against" whatever Republicans/conservatives are for. That in itself is a negative message.

    I recall watching the Dem presidential debates in 1979 and thought then, the Dems are destroying themselves in national TV. Republicans don't need to do a thing.

    Then in the mid-80s I watched to Dem candidates for Congress just mercilessly smear each other and thought, this is the shape of things to come, and so it has been.

    So, you need look no further than cleaning up your own house rather than trying to blame someone from outside.
     
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    Bush called a vietman vet who spent years in a enemy prison an adulterer who had a black illigitimate Daughter after McCain adopted an east indian child.

    The Bush team smeared a muliple amputee soldier as a lying about his service and injuries because his injuries werent important enough for them.

    I posted a study which proves the American people are liberal in their ideas,Why do Americans think the label that covers their own beliefs is bad?
     
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    A pro-liberal agenda is different than smear tactics. You don't see most of the MSM labeling conservatism as an evil, Bush as an evil, or Republicans in general as evil. There are sites like DailyKOS which do that, but besides for the internet, that type of smear is largely relegated to the right. And yes, talk radio and Fox, and a handful of newspapers.

    You make the mistake of thinking that because two things are both biased, they are equally biased.

    For the pullout of soldiers, for the freedom to have an abortion, for gay marriage, for better healthcare, for workers rights, etc, etc.

    Umm thats what primaries are about. Republicans do the same thing.

    As opposed to the Republicans who always run a clean campaign. Wait wasn't it just recently that Bush smeared McCain by implying he had an illegitimate half black child? Selective memory much Gunny?

    All your examples were of Democrats. We were talking about the term Liberal. And if you had read the original article you would realize that its not what people DO that are having the effect, its what label is placed on them. Liberal means effectively the same thing as Progressive. If your theory were correct (which it obviously is not), people would have the same reaction to both. But they don't because of a smear campaign against the word liberal.
     
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    Then you have a major misunderstanding of what constitutes a liberal ideas and probably conservative ideas as well. In fact one could make a very legitimate argument that the the propossed defense cuts are more in line with true conservatism than liberalism. there was an overall theme that there is less need for overpowering force (cut in subs, destroyers, nukes) etc. the days of that type of 'conventional' warfare have passed. Objecitvely (which is a cornerstone of conservatism, and certainly not liberalism) it probably isn't wise in our current state to be dumping tons of money into those.
     

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