LA Teachers Strike: $73K Is Not Enough

[Unkotare]

What do you see, and where?

Already explained

One more time

I said having two kids in school I see what I see. As in teachers working 180 days and gone by 3pm

What you didn't see that they arrived by 7 that morning, if not earlier, and then do 3-6 hours more work at night after they get home.

Rarely does a teacher put in a 40 hour work week.

You just proved you are talking out your ass.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Oh, so you support teacher's unions! Why didn't you say so in the first place!

The day teacher unions began was the day teachers stopped worrying about teaching children.

Fuck you and the horse you rode in on! Nobody has the right to be that moronic!

You’re why teaching declined. You refuse to even acknowledge the problems let alone address them. It’s only about you, not the children.

There is a problem. You cannot make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

My kids got an excellent public school education. You obviously did not. The difference is the main ingredient. You and your ilk are obviously chicken shit, and no matter how hard you try, you will mot make chicken salad.

Kids in LA have the worst education in America. Which is what the thread is about.

the thread is about the teachers salary.....in your OP you never once said anything about the quality of the kids education...

 

[Harry Dresden]

According to some of the posters it depends on where you live because oh by good they say living on 20 bucks an hour in South Carolina is not hard because ohhhhh by good what a great place to live. Truth be told they are wrong and should not make those false lie claims.

its not false claims....you can get by making 50 k in downtown Anaheim,but would not get by in the Anaheim Hills...

 

[Harry Dresden]

LA Teachers Strike: $73K Is Not Enough

$73k in LA is chicken feed.

What Happens When Teachers Can’t Afford To Live In Their Own Cities

not all parts it isnt....

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I know what I see. If I am incorrect explain how. I have two kids in school now. I see what I see. Instead you insult me. Some teacher you were. I can See you in class. A student asks for help with a subject and you dismiss him while calling him an idiot. Thank you for your service but you are being an evil troll here.

You don't know that teachers have mandatory training that is unpaid, you don't know that they have parent teacher conference days where they do not get paid, you don't know that open houses are not paid, you don't know that teachers have to sell tickets for athletic events and don't get paid, and you don't know that teachers often arrive school and stand security watches early and then stay late to do the same thing in the afternoons?

Apparently you don't know anything much about a teacher's job! I did not treat my student as I would you because they realize they don't know. You are the one telling me all about what my job was and getting everything wrong. How would you react if I came into your workplace and started telling you all about your job and I have no idea what you do?

No conferences in the schools my kids go to. All communication done online or via email. Tix sold online. Teachers who coach earn extra pay. By 3:30 the school is empty. I coach hoops so I am there almost daily.

If there are no conferences, your school sucks. And you are almost certainly mistaken that the school is empty by 330. That is tremendously unlikely.

School ends at 2 and by 3:30 it’s a ghost town. You’re welcome to come and check it out.

You’re full of shit

No that would be you. You are the least respected poster on this board.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You don't know that teachers have mandatory training that is unpaid, you don't know that they have parent teacher conference days where they do not get paid, you don't know that open houses are not paid, you don't know that teachers have to sell tickets for athletic events and don't get paid, and you don't know that teachers often arrive school and stand security watches early and then stay late to do the same thing in the afternoons?

Apparently you don't know anything much about a teacher's job! I did not treat my student as I would you because they realize they don't know. You are the one telling me all about what my job was and getting everything wrong. How would you react if I came into your workplace and started telling you all about your job and I have no idea what you do?

No conferences in the schools my kids go to. All communication done online or via email. Tix sold online. Teachers who coach earn extra pay. By 3:30 the school is empty. I coach hoops so I am there almost daily.

If there are no conferences, your school sucks. And you are almost certainly mistaken that the school is empty by 330. That is tremendously unlikely.

School ends at 2 and by 3:30 it’s a ghost town. You’re welcome to come and check it out.

You’re full of shit

No that would be you. You are the least respected poster on this board.

When three, (count them (3)) teachers and former teachers on this forum tell you that you are full of shit, the smart play would be to believe them.

Why would there be any reason for us to all lie and be in 100% agreement?

 

[Weatherman2020]

The day teacher unions began was the day teachers stopped worrying about teaching children.

Fuck you and the horse you rode in on! Nobody has the right to be that moronic!

You’re why teaching declined. You refuse to even acknowledge the problems let alone address them. It’s only about you, not the children.

There is a problem. You cannot make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

My kids got an excellent public school education. You obviously did not. The difference is the main ingredient. You and your ilk are obviously chicken shit, and no matter how hard you try, you will mot make chicken salad.

Kids in LA have the worst education in America. Which is what the thread is about.

the thread is about the teachers salary.....in your OP you never once said anything about the quality of the kids education...

If you can't make the link between pay and justification for pay, that pretty much summarizes why the Left cannot have anything to do with budgets.

 

[Weatherman2020]

No conferences in the schools my kids go to. All communication done online or via email. Tix sold online. Teachers who coach earn extra pay. By 3:30 the school is empty. I coach hoops so I am there almost daily.

If there are no conferences, your school sucks. And you are almost certainly mistaken that the school is empty by 330. That is tremendously unlikely.

School ends at 2 and by 3:30 it’s a ghost town. You’re welcome to come and check it out.

You’re full of shit

No that would be you. You are the least respected poster on this board.

When three, (count them (3)) teachers and former teachers on this forum tell you that you are full of shit, the smart play would be to believe them.

Why would there be any reason for us to all lie and be in 100% agreement?

That's like three politicians telling us Deep State does not exist. Teachers are the problem. I expect such things. You denying the implosion of public education only underscores it.

 

[Weatherman2020]

According to some of the posters it depends on where you live because oh by good they say living on 20 bucks an hour in South Carolina is not hard because ohhhhh by good what a great place to live. Truth be told they are wrong and should not make those false lie claims.

its not false claims....you can get by making 50 k in downtown Anaheim,but would not get by in the Anaheim Hills...

Then live in downtown Anaheim, dufus.

 

[Weatherman2020]

 

[SweetSue92]

It gets better:

Let’s begin with the makeup of the school district: It boasts a $7.52 billion budget and more than 60,000 employees, including about 26,000 teachers, with the average annual salary being $73,000. While employment has gone up 16% since 2004, enrollment has dropped 10% in the same period.

According to the latest available data, California school funding surged by nearly 10% from 2015 to 2016. If you examine a five-year period (2011 to 2016), school funding in the state is up a whopping 26%. Governor Gavin Newsom (D-CA) has further proposed the “largest ever investment” in the LAUSD.

Plus, the district already offered LAUSD educators a pay raise of 3% this year and another 3% in 2020. It was rejected.

But the school district can’t afford another pay hike. Next year, LAUSD will have a $422 million budget deficit, mainly because employee pension and health care costs represent a great portion of the budget – they will account for more than half within 10 years. Overall, it has $5.1 billion more in liabilities than in assets and another $15 billion in unfunded health care benefit liabilities for retirees and current workers.

LA Teachers Strike: 73K Is Not Enough.

So if you want to know why teachers can’t get a pay raise, it’s because of teachers.

You will not find me defending much about what the LA teachers are doing. Even the WaPo says much of the strike is about charter schools.

However, teaching is a people profession, so the bulk of the costs will ALWAYS be personnel. Of course that is what the district will always spend the most amount of money on. This seems a "shock statistic" to outsiders but it really should not be. Where would you want a district to spend its money....technology that will only further burn out kids brains and be obsolete in two years anyway?

 

[Weatherman2020]

It gets better:

Let’s begin with the makeup of the school district: It boasts a $7.52 billion budget and more than 60,000 employees, including about 26,000 teachers, with the average annual salary being $73,000. While employment has gone up 16% since 2004, enrollment has dropped 10% in the same period.

According to the latest available data, California school funding surged by nearly 10% from 2015 to 2016. If you examine a five-year period (2011 to 2016), school funding in the state is up a whopping 26%. Governor Gavin Newsom (D-CA) has further proposed the “largest ever investment” in the LAUSD.

Plus, the district already offered LAUSD educators a pay raise of 3% this year and another 3% in 2020. It was rejected.

But the school district can’t afford another pay hike. Next year, LAUSD will have a $422 million budget deficit, mainly because employee pension and health care costs represent a great portion of the budget – they will account for more than half within 10 years. Overall, it has $5.1 billion more in liabilities than in assets and another $15 billion in unfunded health care benefit liabilities for retirees and current workers.

LA Teachers Strike: 73K Is Not Enough.

So if you want to know why teachers can’t get a pay raise, it’s because of teachers.

You will not find me defending much about what the LA teachers are doing. Even the WaPo says much of the strike is about charter schools.

However, teaching is a people profession, so the bulk of the costs will ALWAYS be personnel. Of course that is what the district will always spend the most amount of money on. This seems a "shock statistic" to outsiders but it really should not be. Where would you want a district to spend its money....technology that will only further burn out kids brains and be obsolete in two years anyway?

LAUSD bought a billion with a B dollars worth of iPads for every kid in the district. Turns out they bought them from an Apple sales rep who happened to be the girlfriend of the district supervisor. When the kids were given the iPads they were taken away within a few days - all the kids hacked the iPads were either playing games or watching porn during class.

I would rather the government spend money wisely.

 

[SweetSue92]

If there are no conferences, your school sucks. And you are almost certainly mistaken that the school is empty by 330. That is tremendously unlikely.

School ends at 2 and by 3:30 it’s a ghost town. You’re welcome to come and check it out.

You’re full of shit

No that would be you. You are the least respected poster on this board.

When three, (count them (3)) teachers and former teachers on this forum tell you that you are full of shit, the smart play would be to believe them.

Why would there be any reason for us to all lie and be in 100% agreement?

That's like three politicians telling us Deep State does not exist. Teachers are the problem. I expect such things. You denying the implosion of public education only underscores it.

Let's step back from this for a moment.

You mean to tell me--seriously--that in inner city LA...I hope I do not have to explain the problems there...where many students do not even speak English in the home and most all students do not live with two biological parents...."teachers are the problem"?

So in your world, if you staffed a school with the most perfect teachers in the entire world, you could bring in a kindergartner who is 4th out of 5 children, speaks no English in the home, comes from grinding poverty, and has already suffered significant trauma in his life, and....what? Tell me what, I mean CLEARLY, you expect to teach him his kindergarten year that would catch him up with the child in Anytown, Iowa who is the firstborn child of two loving parents who comes from a stable home, has had two years of preschool, already knows all his letters and most of his letter sounds, and already loves school.

You explain this to me....

And then you tell me that "Teachers are the problem".

 

[SweetSue92]

It gets better:

Let’s begin with the makeup of the school district: It boasts a $7.52 billion budget and more than 60,000 employees, including about 26,000 teachers, with the average annual salary being $73,000. While employment has gone up 16% since 2004, enrollment has dropped 10% in the same period.

According to the latest available data, California school funding surged by nearly 10% from 2015 to 2016. If you examine a five-year period (2011 to 2016), school funding in the state is up a whopping 26%. Governor Gavin Newsom (D-CA) has further proposed the “largest ever investment” in the LAUSD.

Plus, the district already offered LAUSD educators a pay raise of 3% this year and another 3% in 2020. It was rejected.

But the school district can’t afford another pay hike. Next year, LAUSD will have a $422 million budget deficit, mainly because employee pension and health care costs represent a great portion of the budget – they will account for more than half within 10 years. Overall, it has $5.1 billion more in liabilities than in assets and another $15 billion in unfunded health care benefit liabilities for retirees and current workers.

LA Teachers Strike: 73K Is Not Enough.

So if you want to know why teachers can’t get a pay raise, it’s because of teachers.

You will not find me defending much about what the LA teachers are doing. Even the WaPo says much of the strike is about charter schools.

However, teaching is a people profession, so the bulk of the costs will ALWAYS be personnel. Of course that is what the district will always spend the most amount of money on. This seems a "shock statistic" to outsiders but it really should not be. Where would you want a district to spend its money....technology that will only further burn out kids brains and be obsolete in two years anyway?

LAUSD bought a billion with a B dollars worth of iPads for every kid in the district. Turns out they bought them from an Apple sales rep who happened to be the girlfriend of the district supervisor. When the kids were given the iPads they were taken away within a few days - all the kids hacked the iPads were either playing games or watching porn during class.

I would rather the government spend money wisely.

Exactly my point. Technology is usually not the wisest investment.

Now get to my other post. I want specifics, by the way.

 

[Weatherman2020]

School ends at 2 and by 3:30 it’s a ghost town. You’re welcome to come and check it out.

You’re full of shit

No that would be you. You are the least respected poster on this board.

When three, (count them (3)) teachers and former teachers on this forum tell you that you are full of shit, the smart play would be to believe them.

Why would there be any reason for us to all lie and be in 100% agreement?

That's like three politicians telling us Deep State does not exist. Teachers are the problem. I expect such things. You denying the implosion of public education only underscores it.

Let's step back from this for a moment.

You mean to tell me--seriously--that in inner city LA...I hope I do not have to explain the problems there...where many students do not even speak English in the home and most all students do not live with two biological parents...."teachers are the problem"?

So in your world, if you staffed a school with the most perfect teachers in the entire world, you could bring in a kindergartner who is 4th out of 5 children, speaks no English in the home, comes from grinding poverty, and has already suffered significant trauma in his life, and....what? Tell me what, I mean CLEARLY, you expect to teach him his kindergarten year that would catch him up with the child in Anytown, Iowa who is the firstborn child of two loving parents who comes from a stable home, has had two years of preschool, already knows all his letters and most of his letter sounds, and already loves school.

You explain this to me....

And then you tell me that "Teachers are the problem".

I have taught in foreign nations before. Kids learned too.

A good teacher finds away around obstacles in order to teach. It could be language, it could be handicaps. But a good teacher gets the job done.

 

[SweetSue92]

You’re full of shit

No that would be you. You are the least respected poster on this board.

When three, (count them (3)) teachers and former teachers on this forum tell you that you are full of shit, the smart play would be to believe them.

Why would there be any reason for us to all lie and be in 100% agreement?

That's like three politicians telling us Deep State does not exist. Teachers are the problem. I expect such things. You denying the implosion of public education only underscores it.

Let's step back from this for a moment.

You mean to tell me--seriously--that in inner city LA...I hope I do not have to explain the problems there...where many students do not even speak English in the home and most all students do not live with two biological parents...."teachers are the problem"?

So in your world, if you staffed a school with the most perfect teachers in the entire world, you could bring in a kindergartner who is 4th out of 5 children, speaks no English in the home, comes from grinding poverty, and has already suffered significant trauma in his life, and....what? Tell me what, I mean CLEARLY, you expect to teach him his kindergarten year that would catch him up with the child in Anytown, Iowa who is the firstborn child of two loving parents who comes from a stable home, has had two years of preschool, already knows all his letters and most of his letter sounds, and already loves school.

You explain this to me....

And then you tell me that "Teachers are the problem".

I have taught in foreign nations before. Kids learned too.

A good teacher finds away around obstacles in order to teach. It could be language, it could be handicaps. But a good teacher gets the job done.

I didn't say platitudes. That's a platitude. That's like saying "a good soldier gets the job done". Really? One soldier with one gun against a whole army? Is that how we staff our military? He might indeed be a great soldier. He might be in fact the very best soldier in the ENTIRE military. But if you give him ONE gun against a thousand guns he doesn't stand a chance, does he?

But these are the very platitudes we're up against. It's insulting, to be honest. It's an insult. You would never, ever say this to any other profession. So spare me. Really.

 

[SweetSue92]

You’re full of shit

No that would be you. You are the least respected poster on this board.

When three, (count them (3)) teachers and former teachers on this forum tell you that you are full of shit, the smart play would be to believe them.

Why would there be any reason for us to all lie and be in 100% agreement?

That's like three politicians telling us Deep State does not exist. Teachers are the problem. I expect such things. You denying the implosion of public education only underscores it.

Let's step back from this for a moment.

You mean to tell me--seriously--that in inner city LA...I hope I do not have to explain the problems there...where many students do not even speak English in the home and most all students do not live with two biological parents...."teachers are the problem"?

So in your world, if you staffed a school with the most perfect teachers in the entire world, you could bring in a kindergartner who is 4th out of 5 children, speaks no English in the home, comes from grinding poverty, and has already suffered significant trauma in his life, and....what? Tell me what, I mean CLEARLY, you expect to teach him his kindergarten year that would catch him up with the child in Anytown, Iowa who is the firstborn child of two loving parents who comes from a stable home, has had two years of preschool, already knows all his letters and most of his letter sounds, and already loves school.

You explain this to me....

And then you tell me that "Teachers are the problem".

I have taught in foreign nations before. Kids learned too.

A good teacher finds away around obstacles in order to teach. It could be language, it could be handicaps. But a good teacher gets the job done.

And oh, whoop de doop, you taught in a foreign nation. Good for you. 25 years, two states, three districts, more than 10 schools. Thousands and thousands and THOUSANDS of kids, grades pre-kindergarten through 7th. So don't tell me about the two years you probably taught. And you should also know I have no tolerance for lazy, bad teachers. I also, as you can tell, have no tolerance for anyone saying "teachers are the problem"--usually, hapless conservatives who also decry the family breakdown in society but then pretend that somehow, teachers should fix it all at the schoolhouse door.

I mean it. Spare me.

 

[SweetSue92]

No that would be you. You are the least respected poster on this board.

When three, (count them (3)) teachers and former teachers on this forum tell you that you are full of shit, the smart play would be to believe them.

Why would there be any reason for us to all lie and be in 100% agreement?

That's like three politicians telling us Deep State does not exist. Teachers are the problem. I expect such things. You denying the implosion of public education only underscores it.

Let's step back from this for a moment.

You mean to tell me--seriously--that in inner city LA...I hope I do not have to explain the problems there...where many students do not even speak English in the home and most all students do not live with two biological parents...."teachers are the problem"?

So in your world, if you staffed a school with the most perfect teachers in the entire world, you could bring in a kindergartner who is 4th out of 5 children, speaks no English in the home, comes from grinding poverty, and has already suffered significant trauma in his life, and....what? Tell me what, I mean CLEARLY, you expect to teach him his kindergarten year that would catch him up with the child in Anytown, Iowa who is the firstborn child of two loving parents who comes from a stable home, has had two years of preschool, already knows all his letters and most of his letter sounds, and already loves school.

You explain this to me....

And then you tell me that "Teachers are the problem".

I have taught in foreign nations before. Kids learned too.

A good teacher finds away around obstacles in order to teach. It could be language, it could be handicaps. But a good teacher gets the job done.

And oh, whoop de doop, you taught in a foreign nation. Good for you. 25 years, two states, three districts, more than 10 schools. Thousands and thousands and THOUSANDS of kids, grades pre-kindergarten through 7th. So don't tell me about the two years you probably taught. And you should also know I have no tolerance for lazy, bad teachers. I also, as you can tell, have no tolerance for anyone saying "teachers are the problem"--usually, hapless conservatives who also decry the family breakdown in society but then pretend that somehow, teachers should fix it all at the schoolhouse door.

I mean it. Spare me.

And the reason I come on so strong is because these platitudes are ruining my profession. The best, brightest young people are not going into my profession because people have told them that teaching and teachers are crap.

So, no thanks for that.

 

[Weatherman2020]

When three, (count them (3)) teachers and former teachers on this forum tell you that you are full of shit, the smart play would be to believe them.

Why would there be any reason for us to all lie and be in 100% agreement?

That's like three politicians telling us Deep State does not exist. Teachers are the problem. I expect such things. You denying the implosion of public education only underscores it.

Let's step back from this for a moment.

You mean to tell me--seriously--that in inner city LA...I hope I do not have to explain the problems there...where many students do not even speak English in the home and most all students do not live with two biological parents...."teachers are the problem"?

So in your world, if you staffed a school with the most perfect teachers in the entire world, you could bring in a kindergartner who is 4th out of 5 children, speaks no English in the home, comes from grinding poverty, and has already suffered significant trauma in his life, and....what? Tell me what, I mean CLEARLY, you expect to teach him his kindergarten year that would catch him up with the child in Anytown, Iowa who is the firstborn child of two loving parents who comes from a stable home, has had two years of preschool, already knows all his letters and most of his letter sounds, and already loves school.

You explain this to me....

And then you tell me that "Teachers are the problem".

I have taught in foreign nations before. Kids learned too.

A good teacher finds away around obstacles in order to teach. It could be language, it could be handicaps. But a good teacher gets the job done.

And oh, whoop de doop, you taught in a foreign nation. Good for you. 25 years, two states, three districts, more than 10 schools. Thousands and thousands and THOUSANDS of kids, grades pre-kindergarten through 7th. So don't tell me about the two years you probably taught. And you should also know I have no tolerance for lazy, bad teachers. I also, as you can tell, have no tolerance for anyone saying "teachers are the problem"--usually, hapless conservatives who also decry the family breakdown in society but then pretend that somehow, teachers should fix it all at the schoolhouse door.

I mean it. Spare me.

And the reason I come on so strong is because these platitudes are ruining my profession. The best, brightest young people are not going into my profession because people have told them that teaching and teachers are crap.

So, no thanks for that.

BS. I've seen when 300 qualified teachers have applied for one opening.

 

[Weatherman2020]

No that would be you. You are the least respected poster on this board.

When three, (count them (3)) teachers and former teachers on this forum tell you that you are full of shit, the smart play would be to believe them.

Why would there be any reason for us to all lie and be in 100% agreement?

That's like three politicians telling us Deep State does not exist. Teachers are the problem. I expect such things. You denying the implosion of public education only underscores it.

Let's step back from this for a moment.

You mean to tell me--seriously--that in inner city LA...I hope I do not have to explain the problems there...where many students do not even speak English in the home and most all students do not live with two biological parents...."teachers are the problem"?

So in your world, if you staffed a school with the most perfect teachers in the entire world, you could bring in a kindergartner who is 4th out of 5 children, speaks no English in the home, comes from grinding poverty, and has already suffered significant trauma in his life, and....what? Tell me what, I mean CLEARLY, you expect to teach him his kindergarten year that would catch him up with the child in Anytown, Iowa who is the firstborn child of two loving parents who comes from a stable home, has had two years of preschool, already knows all his letters and most of his letter sounds, and already loves school.

You explain this to me....

And then you tell me that "Teachers are the problem".

I have taught in foreign nations before. Kids learned too.

A good teacher finds away around obstacles in order to teach. It could be language, it could be handicaps. But a good teacher gets the job done.

I didn't say platitudes. That's a platitude. That's like saying "a good soldier gets the job done". Really? One soldier with one gun against a whole army? Is that how we staff our military? He might indeed be a great soldier. He might be in fact the very best soldier in the ENTIRE military. But if you give him ONE gun against a thousand guns he doesn't stand a chance, does he?

But these are the very platitudes we're up against. It's insulting, to be honest. It's an insult. You would never, ever say this to any other profession. So spare me. Really.

Teachers are the root cause of why public education has failed to learn basic things. Teachers is why we have the dumbest generation in American history today.