Koch: I'm Fighting to Restore a Free Society

[Luddly Neddite]

 

[LordBrownTrout]

"If you're a lying liberal liar who loves free stuff then you love George Soros, but if you're a real 'Murkan then you love the Koch brothers."

So is this what America has become? Loyalty to one billionaire or another? To Hell with "One nation, indivisible", right?

No, to hell with a govt that is no longer afraid of its citizens.

So go make your government afraid of its citizens. What is your plan?

That would require a populace to force elected leaders to stop spying, passing laws that force consumers to buy products, creating worthless depts and agencies, etc. Sadly, I don't see it happening. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Koch Brothers and the Soros's of the world are simply trying to establish a world where they can establish an environment where they can become wealthier and if it means taking advantage of the working masses or the environment, well so be it.
People are really naïve to worship these people as they are being seriously marginalized by the people they vigorously defend.

Proletariat Unite!

 

[martybegan]

Looks like its arts and crafts time in the luddy duddy hovel.

 

[Bfgrn]

Thought? Just thoughts on how we live our lives? Govt doesn't have thoughts. They now force you to live your live on their demented vision.

Our government happens to made up of the people we elect into office. Considering what the GOP leadership has done and wants to do, I see why their base is so pissed. It's not our government that's the problem. It's the right winger Republicans vote into office. It's why Red States are failed states. Conservative policies have been a pox on the country.

Most red states are thriving even in this pitiful obama economy. Yes, its our govt that's the problem.

Red States Are Welfare Queens


Flip to any news channel in the past three years, and you can almost be certain to see any number of Republican governors, blustering about how Washington spends too much money and how they'd never spend that much money if they were President. It's a lot of tough talk, really. But is there any truth to it?

Well, all of this tough budget talk from Republicans got me thinking about the central: who really benefits from government spending? If you listen to Rush Limbaugh, you might think it was those blue states, packed with damn hippie socialist liberals, sipping their lattes and providing free abortions for bored, horny teenagers.

The truth? Not so fast, Michele Bachmann.

As it turns out, it is red states that are overwhelmingly the Welfare Queen States. Yes, that's right. Red States — the ones governed by folks who think government is too big and spending needs to be cut — are a net drain on the economy, taking in more federal spending than they pay out in federal taxes. They talk a good game, but stick Blue States with the bill.

Take a look at the difference between federal spending on any given state and the federal taxes received from that state. We measure the difference as a dollar amount: Federal Spending per Dollar of Federal Taxes. A figure of $1.00 means that particular state received as much as it paid in to the federal government. Anything over a dollar means the state received more than it paid; anything less than $1.00 means the state paid more in taxes than it received in services. The higher the figure, the more a given state is a welfare queen.

Of the twenty worst states, 16 are either Republican dominated or conservative states. Let's go through the top twenty.

New Mexico: $2.03
Mississippi: $2.02
Alaska: $1.84
Louisiana: $1.78
West Virginia: $1.76
North Dakota: $1.68
Alabama: $1.66
South Dakota: $1.53
Kentucky: $1.51
Virginia: $1.51
Montana: $1.47
Hawaii: $1.44
Maine: $1.41
Arkansas: $1.41
Oklahoma: $1.36
South Carolina: $1.35
Missouri: $1.32
Maryland: $1.30
Tennessee: $1.27
Idaho: $1.21

Does anyone else notice the overwhelming presence of northern "rugged individualist" states, like Alaska, the Dakotas and Montana, along with most of the South? Why it's almost like there's a pattern here or something.

Where can we find liberal bastions California, New York, and Massachusetts? California is 43rd, getting back only $0.78 for every dollar it sends to Washington. New York is 42nd, and one penny better off, at $0.79 per dollar. Massachusetts is 40th, receiving $0.82 for every dollar it sends to DC.

Read more: Red States Are Welfare Queens - Business Insider

 

[Pete7469]

Call it what you want... "Corporatism, fascism, whatever"

It's not free market capitalism when a company can have laws passed that prevent competition, or otherwise stunt the growth of competetors merely for the sake of another business.

Bed wetters love laws like these though.

They can pretent they're saving the (insert bullshit victim, species, or resource) meanwhile inhibiting the private exploitation or profits of a group of investors in order to extort "licensing fees or permits", and then create make work jobs and more bureaucracy for an even larger governmental empire.

No country on the planet has a truly Free Market. There's a reason for that, now, what could that be? Are they just being mean?

It doesn't exist because do-gooder fucktards like to control things. It's been that way since day one. And you sycophants only fuel their aggression to control things in every fashion. And yes, corporatism is a form of fascism. So no, they aren't trying to be mean, they believe they know what is best. And it has been made clear time and tiem again they do not.

That's because bed wetters WANT to be taken care of. Even they have to realize they're unable to think, and life is really hard for them if there aren't strict guidelines to follow and people to pay for their foolish choices. They're terrified that they could find themselves in a position where they have to provide for themselves.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Call it what you want... "Corporatism, fascism, whatever"

It's not free market capitalism when a company can have laws passed that prevent competition, or otherwise stunt the growth of competetors merely for the sake of another business.

Bed wetters love laws like these though.

They can pretent they're saving the (insert bullshit victim, species, or resource) meanwhile inhibiting the private exploitation or profits of a group of investors in order to extort "licensing fees or permits", and then create make work jobs and more bureaucracy for an even larger governmental empire.

No country on the planet has a truly Free Market. There's a reason for that, now, what could that be? Are they just being mean?

It doesn't exist because do-gooder fucktards like to control things. It's been that way since day one. And you sycophants only fuel their aggression to control things in every fashion. And yes, corporatism is a form of fascism. So no, they aren't trying to be mean, they believe they know what is best. And it has been made clear time and tiem again they do not.

Okay, another Randian kid for the bin. TY...

 

[Iceweasel]

so you are unable to answer a question without insult...carry on...

I did answer it, you couldn't understand it and I can't understand it for you.

since you are doing my thinking for me, when do I need to shit again???

You're doing it now.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

No country on the planet has a truly Free Market. There's a reason for that, now, what could that be? Are they just being mean?

It doesn't exist because do-gooder fucktards like to control things. It's been that way since day one. And you sycophants only fuel their aggression to control things in every fashion. And yes, corporatism is a form of fascism. So no, they aren't trying to be mean, they believe they know what is best. And it has been made clear time and tiem again they do not.

That's because bed wetters WANT to be taken care of. Even they have to realize they're unable to think, and life is really hard for them if there aren't strict guidelines to follow and people to pay for their foolish choices. They're terrified that they could find themselves in a position where they have to provide for themselves.

We're only terrified of blue text...

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Koch Brothers and the Soros's of the world are simply trying to establish a world where they can establish an environment where they can become wealthier and if it means taking advantage of the working masses or the environment, well so be it.
People are really naïve to worship these people as they are being seriously marginalized by the people they vigorously defend.

Proletariat Unite!

Shhhh, they're sleeping. Really, they are, but they may wake soon if this keeps up.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

No country on the planet has a truly Free Market. There's a reason for that, now, what could that be? Are they just being mean?

It doesn't exist because do-gooder fucktards like to control things. It's been that way since day one. And you sycophants only fuel their aggression to control things in every fashion. And yes, corporatism is a form of fascism. So no, they aren't trying to be mean, they believe they know what is best. And it has been made clear time and tiem again they do not.

Okay, another Randian kid for the bin. TY...

Now you're actually going to misrepresent my position by throwing in objectivism?

Is there anything philosophically, or economically that you do understand? It doesn't appear so.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Koch Brothers and the Soros's of the world are simply trying to establish a world where they can establish an environment where they can become wealthier and if it means taking advantage of the working masses or the environment, well so be it.
People are really naïve to worship these people as they are being seriously marginalized by the people they vigorously defend.

Proletariat Unite!

Shhhh, they're sleeping. Really, they are, but they make wake soon if this keeps up.

Marx entire premise rests on contradictory. Nothing he wrote was worth rock salt economically. So no, they aren't sleeping. "They" do not exist.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Proletariat Unite!

Shhhh, they're sleeping. Really, they are, but they make wake soon if this keeps up.

Marx entire premise rests on contradictory. Nothing he wrote was worth rock salt economically. So no, they aren't sleeping. "They" do not exist.

See, I knew there was no reason to bother with you.

 

[KNB]

No, to hell with a govt that is no longer afraid of its citizens.

So go make your government afraid of its citizens. What is your plan?

That would require a populace to force elected leaders to stop spying, passing laws that force consumers to buy products, creating worthless depts and agencies, etc. Sadly, I don't see it happening. I hope I'm wrong.

You don't remember 2001 through 2008, do you? Republicans were all about spying and torture and lies to benefit the 1%. Why did all of that become evil once a black man was elected?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

It doesn't exist because do-gooder fucktards like to control things. It's been that way since day one. And you sycophants only fuel their aggression to control things in every fashion. And yes, corporatism is a form of fascism. So no, they aren't trying to be mean, they believe they know what is best. And it has been made clear time and tiem again they do not.

Okay, another Randian kid for the bin. TY...

Now you're actually going to misrepresent my position by throwing in objectivism?

Is there anything philosophically, or economically that you do understand? It doesn't appear so.

You don't have a position, you have dogma.

 

[martybegan]

Our government happens to made up of the people we elect into office. Considering what the GOP leadership has done and wants to do, I see why their base is so pissed. It's not our government that's the problem. It's the right winger Republicans vote into office. It's why Red States are failed states. Conservative policies have been a pox on the country.

Most red states are thriving even in this pitiful obama economy. Yes, its our govt that's the problem.

Red States Are Welfare Queens


Flip to any news channel in the past three years, and you can almost be certain to see any number of Republican governors, blustering about how Washington spends too much money and how they'd never spend that much money if they were President. It's a lot of tough talk, really. But is there any truth to it?

Well, all of this tough budget talk from Republicans got me thinking about the central: who really benefits from government spending? If you listen to Rush Limbaugh, you might think it was those blue states, packed with damn hippie socialist liberals, sipping their lattes and providing free abortions for bored, horny teenagers.

The truth? Not so fast, Michele Bachmann.

As it turns out, it is red states that are overwhelmingly the Welfare Queen States. Yes, that's right. Red States — the ones governed by folks who think government is too big and spending needs to be cut — are a net drain on the economy, taking in more federal spending than they pay out in federal taxes. They talk a good game, but stick Blue States with the bill.

Take a look at the difference between federal spending on any given state and the federal taxes received from that state. We measure the difference as a dollar amount: Federal Spending per Dollar of Federal Taxes. A figure of $1.00 means that particular state received as much as it paid in to the federal government. Anything over a dollar means the state received more than it paid; anything less than $1.00 means the state paid more in taxes than it received in services. The higher the figure, the more a given state is a welfare queen.

Of the twenty worst states, 16 are either Republican dominated or conservative states. Let's go through the top twenty.

New Mexico: $2.03
Mississippi: $2.02
Alaska: $1.84
Louisiana: $1.78
West Virginia: $1.76
North Dakota: $1.68
Alabama: $1.66
South Dakota: $1.53
Kentucky: $1.51
Virginia: $1.51
Montana: $1.47
Hawaii: $1.44
Maine: $1.41
Arkansas: $1.41
Oklahoma: $1.36
South Carolina: $1.35
Missouri: $1.32
Maryland: $1.30
Tennessee: $1.27
Idaho: $1.21

Does anyone else notice the overwhelming presence of northern "rugged individualist" states, like Alaska, the Dakotas and Montana, along with most of the South? Why it's almost like there's a pattern here or something.

Where can we find liberal bastions California, New York, and Massachusetts? California is 43rd, getting back only $0.78 for every dollar it sends to Washington. New York is 42nd, and one penny better off, at $0.79 per dollar. Massachusetts is 40th, receiving $0.82 for every dollar it sends to DC.

Read more: Red States Are Welfare Queens - Business Insider

This crap again. When you use overall federal spending, you include spending such as land management (Red states tend to have more federal land) Military spending (Bases tend to be in big open areas, i.e. Red States) and other things not remotely related to aid such as welfare, medicare and education spending.

But its Rdean, so use of made up crap is par for the course for him.

 

[Mac1958]

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Hey, as long as we're all good with money polluting politics and with office-holders spending so much of their time fundraising and kissing ass, then tough shit, enjoy.

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[tinydancer]

He claims he's been fighting for 50 years to restore America to what it was?

What was it? In what era of American history - in the sum total of that era - was America so much better than it is today?

The music was It had a beat and you could dance to it.

 

[Wildman]

He claims he's been fighting for 50 years to restore America to what it was?

What was it? In what era of American history - in the sum total of that era - was America so much better than it is today?

I think he means before liberals fucked up the country.

before liberals fucked up the country

in my lifetime as i see it that started with that fucking asshole LBJ

and just for the liberscum, my lifetime started with my memories of FDR and every president since. O fucking K ??

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Okay, another Randian kid for the bin. TY...

Now you're actually going to misrepresent my position by throwing in objectivism?

Is there anything philosophically, or economically that you do understand? It doesn't appear so.

You don't have a position, you have dogma.

Uh huh. Using proper terminology is dogma now. Is that because it messes with the leftist constant and shameless misuse, and misrepresentation of terms in order to forward! the agenda? That's rhetorical by the way.

It is the lefts MO to blame capitalism for the failures associated with corporatism because if they were to acknowledge the true problem, their view would be shattered into shard. So they must blame something that doesn't exist in our system in order to protect the government who is the main culprit in economic calamity.