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So, at least you understand it was the lesson plans following the speech, not the speech itself, that was objectionable. That's good and it's also good the lesson plans were dropped.]Wrong. They rightfully had a problem with the lesson plans that were originally sent out by the WH for the students to do after his speech, which wasn't even released at that time.
The lesson plan included essay question that went something like, "What can you do to serve President Obama" and such.
THAT and other shit like it was always the objection, not the content of the speech which wasn't even released yet.
But, you of course know all this.
WRONG, Learn the facts. I listed the three questions above. There was NOTHING about serving as far as I know. Also, none of the questions mentioned Obama, just the PRESIDENT.
the whitehouse pulled the extra stuff off the webThis with GHWB is a local affair, and really is irrelevant to the discussion of what Obama had planned.
What Republicans objected to, unlike with Bush the Elder's talk to students, was the president speaking to all students through out the country. He should've made an appearance at one school like George W. (the elder) Bush.
It's too bad, though, that such a fuss was made, because it would have been revealing to see what he would have said before getting the heads-up from the Republicans, and then re-writing his presentation. Because of that we missed the part with the lesson plan in which the pres asked students to write about the most inspirational parts of his speach, or his asking students to write remarks on the three words which inspired them most, and to comment like that. All of that would have been the more alarming had it come off as he and his imprudent advisors had originally planned.
other than repetition by the rightwingblogosphere, i've seen absolutely nothing indicating the speech was changed at all... only the "lesson plan"...which shouldn't have been objectionable either. and why should he have spoken to one school? so your kids wouldn't know that he's not the anti-christ? seriously...
Funny, Monica Crowley is Colmes' sister in law. What a family that is. Laura and Monica are both batshit crazy.oh PLEASE
this OP and the PMSNBC story was flawed
I'm not even referring to that and you know it.
Shit like this:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgcGlMyAg2g]YouTube - Right Wing Mother Cries About Obama's Speech To Children[/ame]
I want to see her define Socialism, bet she couldn't.
Then there's this:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDqtqP4C7oM&feature=related]YouTube - FOX News Interviews A "Confused Parent" About Obama's School Speech[/ame]
And this:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd3HITB2B-Y&feature=related]YouTube - Obama to Indoctrinate School Children with speech, into Supporting his Progressive Agenda[/ame]
Pretty sad how stupid these people are. The clip with Combs is just the raving lunatic squad of Dinesh D'souza's former dominatrices spewing their sadism.
Kids Didn't Hear Obama, But Will be Bussed for Bush - News- msnbc.com
By Stacy Morrow
NBCDFW.com
updated 41 minutes ago
The Arlington Independent School District, which passed on airing President Barack Obama's live classroom address, has announced that some students will be bussed off campus to hear a message from former President George W. Bush on Sept. 21.
District officials said it's part of a Cowboys Stadium field trip that the North Texas Super Bowl Host Committee invited 28 fifth-grade classes to attend several months ago.
In addition to hearing from Bush and former first lady Laura Bush, the students will hear from legendary Dallas Cowboys players and North Texas business and community leaders. The event launches the Super Bowl committee's largest-ever youth education program.
<Story continues>
This with GHWB is a local affair, and really is irrelevant to the discussion of what Obama had planned.
What Republicans objected to, unlike with Bush the Elder's talk to students, was the president speaking to all students through out the country. He should've made an appearance at one school like George W. (the elder) Bush.
It's too bad, though, that such a fuss was made, because it would have been revealing to see what he would have said before getting the heads-up from the Republicans, and then re-writing his presentation. Because of that we missed the part with the lesson plan in which the pres asked students to write about the most inspirational parts of his speach, or his asking students to write remarks on the three words which inspired them most, and to comment like that. All of that would have been the more alarming had it come off as he and his imprudent advisors had originally planned.
other than repetition by the rightwingblogosphere, i've seen absolutely nothing indicating the speech was changed at all... only the "lesson plan"...which shouldn't have been objectionable either. and why should he have spoken to one school? so your kids wouldn't know that he's not the anti-christ? seriously...
in the speech he was going to ask each kid to write him a letter telling him what each child could do to help the pres with his agenda......
That's the insidious part.
Write me a letter -- and I'm serious about this one -- write me a letter about ways you can help us achieve our goals. I think you know the address.
GHW Bush
the "lesson plan" was the problem
I know. but it shouldn't have been
really....if bush had given this same speech and your kids had to write him a letter siupporting him and his agenda you would be cool with that.....
Write me a letter -- and I'm serious about this one -- write me a letter about ways you can help us achieve our goals. I think you know the address.
GHW Bush
how would you "help a POTUS" without supporting his "agenda"yes it was
it was how they could HELP THE PRESIDENT
you see agenda there?
anyway... i'm off to home.
ciao.
his "agenda" is what he needs HELP with
no, its a special event for the new stadiumno, you are rightI personally have no problem with them listening or not listening to Obama's speech, or listening or not listening to a speech from Bush. They are all the same: "Stay in school. Say no to drugs. Drink milk. Be nice to your mother."
However, I wanted to stop the spin that the article was about a field trip to a stadium. That was NOT the premise.
the story's premise is faulty
the field trip isnt to "go see George Bush" its to the cowboys stadium of which George Bush will be but ONE of the MANY people there
Come on DC, you're spinning a little there. It is a field trip to the Cowboy's stadium just like it is a field trip to the science museum. Those are merely the locations where the field trip is taking place. The program being put on for the students is what counts. They are simply going to the Cowboy's stadium to see Bush and other celebrities, not to see the stadium.
yeah, we'va always been at was with east asiathe whitehouse pulled the extra stuff off the webother than repetition by the rightwingblogosphere, i've seen absolutely nothing indicating the speech was changed at all... only the "lesson plan"...which shouldn't have been objectionable either. and why should he have spoken to one school? so your kids wouldn't know that he's not the anti-christ? seriously...
the proof was moved by the russians to syria.
oops wrong thread..
or is it?
will you at least get into the topic and not bring up something totally unrelatedKids Didn't Hear Obama, But Will be Bussed for Bush - News- msnbc.com
By Stacy Morrow
NBCDFW.com
updated 41 minutes ago
The Arlington Independent School District, which passed on airing President Barack Obama's live classroom address, has announced that some students will be bussed off campus to hear a message from former President George W. Bush on Sept. 21.
District officials said it's part of a Cowboys Stadium field trip that the North Texas Super Bowl Host Committee invited 28 fifth-grade classes to attend several months ago.
In addition to hearing from Bush and former first lady Laura Bush, the students will hear from legendary Dallas Cowboys players and North Texas business and community leaders. The event launches the Super Bowl committee's largest-ever youth education program.
<Story continues>
This with GHWB is a local affair, and really is irrelevant to the discussion of what Obama had planned.
What Republicans objected to, unlike with Bush the Elder's talk to students, was the president speaking to all students through out the country. He should've made an appearance at one school like George W. (the elder) Bush.
It's too bad, though, that such a fuss was made, because it would have been revealing to see what he would have said before getting the heads-up from the Republicans, and then re-writing his presentation. Because of that we missed the part with the lesson plan in which the pres asked students to write about the most inspirational parts of his speach, or his asking students to write remarks on the three words which inspired them most, and to comment like that. All of that would have been the more alarming had it come off as he and his imprudent advisors had originally planned.
Bush's speech was televised for all schools to see just like Obama's.
Please try another rationalization, thank you.
ROFLMAOhow would you "help a POTUS" without supporting his "agenda"you see agenda there?
anyway... i'm off to home.
ciao.
his "agenda" is what he needs HELP with
Knowing kids? If the letters had actually been for him, I bet he would have had thousands of offers to walk his dog and babysit his kids.
will you at least get into the topic and not bring up something totally unrelatedThis with GHWB is a local affair, and really is irrelevant to the discussion of what Obama had planned.
What Republicans objected to, unlike with Bush the Elder's talk to students, was the president speaking to all students through out the country. He should've made an appearance at one school like George W. (the elder) Bush.
It's too bad, though, that such a fuss was made, because it would have been revealing to see what he would have said before getting the heads-up from the Republicans, and then re-writing his presentation. Because of that we missed the part with the lesson plan in which the pres asked students to write about the most inspirational parts of his speach, or his asking students to write remarks on the three words which inspired them most, and to comment like that. All of that would have been the more alarming had it come off as he and his imprudent advisors had originally planned.
Bush's speech was televised for all schools to see just like Obama's.
Please try another rationalization, thank you.
you are such a fuckup
the subject here wasnt what was previously done, moronwill you at least get into the topic and not bring up something totally unrelatedBush's speech was televised for all schools to see just like Obama's.
Please try another rationalization, thank you.
you are such a fuckup
I'm always on point! So much so that you are always reduced to spiteful personal attacks.
I don't care if these student will hear from Bush and Laura about education, and I am sure the students will enjoy hearing from a President. The point is they had a problem with one president talking about education but don't have a problem with another doing the same thing.
When Bush spoke to students, Democrats investigated, held hearings
By: Byron York
Chief Political Correspondent
09/08/09 7:11 AM EDT
The controversy over President Obama's speech to the nation's schoolchildren will likely be over shortly after Obama speaks today at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Virginia. But when President George H.W. Bush delivered a similar speech on October 1, 1991, from Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington DC, the controversy was just beginning. Democrats, then the majority party in Congress, not only denounced Bush's speech -- they also ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate its production and later summoned top Bush administration officials to Capitol Hill for an extensive hearing on the issue.
Unlike the Obama speech, in 1991 most of the controversy came after, not before, the president's school appearance. The day after Bush spoke, the Washington Post published a front-page story suggesting the speech was carefully staged for the president's political benefit. "The White House turned a Northwest Washington junior high classroom into a television studio and its students into props," the Post reported.
With the Post article in hand, Democrats pounced. "The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," said Richard Gephardt, then the House Majority Leader. "And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.'"
Democrats did not stop with words. Rep. William Ford, then chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee, ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate the cost and legality of Bush's appearance. On October 17, 1991, Ford summoned then-Education Secretary Lamar Alexander and other top Bush administration officials to testify at a hearing devoted to the speech. "The hearing this morning is to really examine the expenditure of $26,750 of the Department of Education funds to produce and televise an appearance by President Bush at Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, DC," Ford began. "As the chairman of the committee charged with the authorization and implementation of education programs, I am very much interested in the justification, rationale for giving the White House scarce education funds to produce a media event."
Unfortunately for Ford, the General Accounting Office concluded that the Bush administration had not acted improperly. "The speech itself and the use of the department's funds to support it, including the cost of the production contract, appear to be legal," the GAO wrote in a letter to Chairman Ford. "The speech also does not appear to have violated the restrictions on the use of appropriations for publicity and propaganda."
That didn't stop Democratic allies from taking their own shots at Bush. The National Education Association denounced the speech, saying it "cannot endorse a president who spends $26,000 of taxpayers' money on a staged media event at Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, D.C. -- while cutting school lunch funds for our neediest youngsters."
Lost in all the denouncing and investigating was the fact that Bush's speech itself, like Obama's today, was entirely unremarkable. "Block out the kids who think it's not cool to be smart," the president told students. "If someone goofs off today, are they cool? Are they still cool years from now, when they're stuck in a dead end job. Don't let peer pressure stand between you and your dreams.
Originally Posted by American Horse
This with GHWB is a local affair, and really is irrelevant to the discussion of what Obama had planned.
What Republicans objected to, unlike with Bush the Elder's talk to students, was the president speaking to all students through out the country. He should've made an appearance at one school like George W. (the elder) Bush.
the subject here wasnt what was previously done, moronwill you at least get into the topic and not bring up something totally unrelated
you are such a fuckup
I'm always on point! So much so that you are always reduced to spiteful personal attacks.
its about an event for the new Cowboys Stadium that is opening this fall
former pres George HW Bush will be one of MANY speakers at this event
they are not going to see Bush, they are going to the EVENT
now, get your head out of your ass for a change
