Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Could Walk

[Maple]

BTW- Reagan did not support Suddam he supported Iran, .

Shaking Hands with Saddam Hussein:

The U.S. Tilts toward Iraq, 1980-1984

National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 82

Edited by Joyce Battle

February 25, 2003

Did you notice, he was looking him in the eye and greeting him as another leader, not bowing in submission?

That was Rummy who shook hands with bad boy Saddam, not Reagan.

 

[Maple]

If he walks it wont be very far ...

If he walks, they will probably give him a plane and let him pick his destination.

Obama will most likely let him use his plane, Air Force One.

 

[Contumacious]

Not a chance - all federal courts - military or civilians - are corrupted to their core. They would have never agreed to "try" him in a civilian court if there was a chance that he was going to get a fair trial.

Padilla Jury Opens Pandora’s Box

The jury, of course, had no idea of what was at stake. It was a patriotic jury that appeared in court with one row of jurors dressed in red, one in white, and one in blue (Peter Whoriskey, Washington Post, August 17, 2007). It was a jury primed to be psychologically and emotionally manipulated by federal prosecutors desperate for a conviction for which there was little, if any, supporting evidence. For the jury, patriotism required that they strike a blow for America against terrorism. No member of this jury was going to return home to accusations of letting off a person who has been portrayed as a terrorist in the US media for five years.

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a jury of peers could be played to have all muslims on the jury, just an ugly thought.

Yep. How can you confer the right to a jury of your peers when these people aren't citizens? By doing these things? They are setting the Constitution on it's ear. (But then when did they give a rat's ass about the Constitution anyway)?

They should instead do a Military Tribunal as has been done throughout history with Prisoners Of War/Enemy combatants.

Do you know why we have over 2,200,000 prisoners in these US? Because the right to a jury of peers has been ignored:


"The right to a trial by jury is guaranteed to every citizen ...... by the Constitution ......The very idea of a jury is a body of men composed of the peers or equals of the person whose rights it is selected or summoned to determine -- that is, of his neighbors, fellows, associates, persons having the same legal status in society as that which he holds. Blackstone, in his Commentaries, says,

"The right of trial by jury, or the country, is a trial by the peers of every Englishman, and is the grand bulwark of his liberties, and is secured to him by the Great Charter."



U.S. Supreme Court
Strauder v. West Virginia, 100 U.S. 303 (1879)

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[mudwhistle]

I heard he signed an agent and is bucking for the next Lord of the Rings installment after he get's off on a technicality from his mass murder trial.

No, he thinks he's Osama Bin Laden.

 

[The T]

What part of American by BIRTH escapes you? Nice try, no sale. POOR comparison.

No

It makes no difference where you are born. The US holds itself up as a model of human rights and has done so for over 200 years.
Nazis deserved a fair trial, mass murderers deserve a fair trial, those accused of treason deserve a fair trial. There are no loopholes in providing human rights

And didn't those Nazis have a war crimes tribunal in Nuremberg? Not a US civilian trial in NYC.

Interesting you should ASK such a thng my friend?

HERE is how FDR dealt with Terrorists...

Exerpt:

On June 19 [1942] the President received an excited call from Francis Biddle, his attorney general. Six days before, Biddle told the President, "at 1:30 A.M. an unarmed Coast Guard patrolman near Amagansett, Montauk Point, Long Island, discovered two men placing material in a hole they had dug; one of them covered the patrolman with a gun, gave him $260 and told him to keep his mouth shut. I shall, of course, keep you informed." As J. Edgar Hoover's nominal boss, Biddle later recalled the FBI chief's demeanor while describing the plan to track down the rest of the saboteurs: "His eyes were bright, his jaw set, excitement flickering around the edge of his nostrils," Biddle remembered. The question now was how much to tell the public. Hoover wanted no announcement that might alert the men still at large. The President agreed, and the press was, for the moment, frozen out of the story.

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FDR's longstanding preoccupation with sabotage now seemed validated. Biddle admitted, "1 had a bad week trying to sleep as I thought of the possibilities. The saboteurs might have other caches hidden, and at any moment an explosion was possible." [Saboteur] Dasch had, in fact, revealed that, along with their transportation and industrial targets, the Pastorius mission was supposed to spread terror by placing firebombs in department stores and delayed-action explosives in hotels and in crowded railroad stations.

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Three days after all eight saboteurs were in custody, FDR sent Biddle a memo making clear his expectations. "The two Americans are guilty of treason," he told the attorney general. "I do not see how they can offer any adequate defense. . . it seems to me that the death penalty is almost obligatory." As for the six German citizens, "They were apprehended in civilian clothes. This is an absolute parallel of the Case of Major [John] Andre in the Revolution and of Nathan Hale. Both of these men were hanged." The President hammered home his point once more: "The death penalty is called for by usage and by the extreme gravity of the war aim and the very existence of our American govemment." Biddle had never quite overcome his awe in dealing with FDR. Still, the nation's chief law enforcement official was troubled, finding himself trapped between the President's questionable pressure and his own reverence for the law. The Germans had been apprehended so quickly, Biddle recognized, that "they had not committed any act of sabotage. Probably an indictment for attempted sabotage would not have been sustained in a civil court on the grounds that the preparations and landings were not close enough to the planned acts of sabotage to constitute attempt. If a man buys a pistol, intending murder, that is not an attempt at murder." In a civilian court the Germans might at best be convicted of conspiracy, which Biddle estimated would carry a maximum sentence of three years. This outcome, he knew, would never satisfy Roosevelt.

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FDR essentially took charge of the case. He told Biddle that he wanted the eight agents tried, not in a civilian court, but by a military tribunal, which he himself would appoint. They had forfeited any right to a civilian trial, as Roosevelt put it, because "[t]hese men had penetrated battlelines strung on land along our two coasts and guarded on the sea by our destroyers, and were waging battle within our country." They fell under the Law of War. A military tribunal would be quick, not subject to the protracted appeals procedures of civilian courts. It would not be hog-tied by the criminal courts' exacting rules of evidence. It could impose the death sentence, not as the civil courts required, by a unanimous verdict, but by a two-thirds vote. A military tribunal offered the advantages and the assured outcome that the President wanted.

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Feel free to go read the rest. Say what you want of FDR? At least FDR got this one correct.

The Obama administration is doing what they are here to put their own country on trial, AND to payback the extreme LEFT in this country by indicting indirectly George W. Bush.

After all? Isn't Obama still going around the world apologizing for the past history of this nation?

There's something sinister here. And this so-called 'TRIAL" will go on for YEARS. The discovery process will be fascinating, as will PICKING THE "Jury of PEERS". (How are they gonna do that exactly)??

Ladies and gentlemen? Based upon prior behaviour? You Country will be put on trial here for the entire World to see...And WHY? These perps have already plead GUILTY, and asked to be executed...

WHY this trial? Precisely to re-write History in their image, and to set precident which is more accomodating to those that wish to KILL us and destroy this nation.

Congrats Democrats. You own this ensuing CIRCUS.

 

[The T]

a jury of peers could be played to have all muslims on the jury, just an ugly thought.

Yep. How can you confer the right to a jury of your peers when these people aren't citizens? By doing these things? They are setting the Constitution on it's ear. (But then when did they give a rat's ass about the Constitution anyway)?

They should instead do a Military Tribunal as has been done throughout history with Prisoners Of War/Enemy combatants.

Do you know why we have over 2,200,000 prisoners in these US? Because the right to a jury of peers has been ignored:


"The right to a trial by jury is guaranteed to every citizen ...... by the Constitution ......The very idea of a jury is a body of men composed of the peers or equals of the person whose rights it is selected or summoned to determine -- that is, of his neighbors, fellows, associates, persons having the same legal status in society as that which he holds. Blackstone, in his Commentaries, says,

"The right of trial by jury, or the country, is a trial by the peers of every Englishman, and is the grand bulwark of his liberties, and is secured to him by the Great Charter."



U.S. Supreme Court
Strauder v. West Virginia, 100 U.S. 303 (1879)

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What the FUCK are you talking about here? Right to TRIAL for Foreigners? What part of the Constitution guarantees this to FOREIGN INVADERS?

People plucked off the battlefield that are in POW status?

You're WRONG. Admit it. I'll wait.

 

[Diuretic]

There's a thought. Anyone know what the indictment is?

 

[mudwhistle]

Yep. How can you confer the right to a jury of your peers when these people aren't citizens? By doing these things? They are setting the Constitution on it's ear. (But then when did they give a rat's ass about the Constitution anyway)?

They should instead do a Military Tribunal as has been done throughout history with Prisoners Of War/Enemy combatants.

Do you know why we have over 2,200,000 prisoners in these US? Because the right to a jury of peers has been ignored:


"The right to a trial by jury is guaranteed to every citizen ...... by the Constitution ......The very idea of a jury is a body of men composed of the peers or equals of the person whose rights it is selected or summoned to determine -- that is, of his neighbors, fellows, associates, persons having the same legal status in society as that which he holds. Blackstone, in his Commentaries, says,

"The right of trial by jury, or the country, is a trial by the peers of every Englishman, and is the grand bulwark of his liberties, and is secured to him by the Great Charter."



U.S. Supreme Court
Strauder v. West Virginia, 100 U.S. 303 (1879)

.

What the FUCK are you talking about here? Right to TRIAL for Foreigners? What part of the Constitution guarantees this to FOREIGN INVADERS?

People plucked off the battlefield that are in POW status?

You're WRONG. Admit it. I'll wait.

This isn't about anyone's right to a trial.

This is an opportunity for the Obama Administration to shit all over the United States.

These people hate this country and everything it once stood for.

They want the show trial.....similar to the ones they have in other countries.....and they want to drag the US through the dirt just for their personal satisfaction. That's why they want to prosecute CIA interrogators. To show the world how screwed up our country is. It's gonna be reported on and broadcast to the Muslim world....and thus further inflame Muslims against us.

Anyone who takes up arms against the United States is a hero. These guys are like MLK, or Ronald Reagan to them. What do you think would happen if a bunch of pent up sex-starved assholes in the US saw another country put Ronald Reagan on trial?

What is really revealing is something I've heard more then once. This morning a Democrat that supported the trials said even if we can't get a conviction they will never be released. They have a list of trumped up charges they're gonna continue to hold them on. They're just doing this for the show.....then they're gonna take their right to a fair trial away. Bush would have had them tried and convicted by now but Obama put a stop to military tribunals once he was sworn in.

 

[WillowTree]

This will also expose what our CIA did to capture him and if there are any missteps, example, the non reading of miranda rights, it's quite possible that he could be set free.

Cops don't have to read miranda rights any longer and the CIA has no jurisdiction over American citizens, the FBI does. Besides the scum bag is not a citizen of this country, therefore the CIA has jurisdiction and since he is not a citizen does not have to read him any rights.

And so if he is not a citizen, how do you get a jury of his peers?

on any street corner in Kandahar! easy smeasy.

 

[mudwhistle]

Cops don't have to read miranda rights any longer and the CIA has no jurisdiction over American citizens, the FBI does. Besides the scum bag is not a citizen of this country, therefore the CIA has jurisdiction and since he is not a citizen does not have to read him any rights.

And so if he is not a citizen, how do you get a jury of his peers?

on any street corner in Kandahar! easy smeasy.

Just another example of why Obama knows this will be a total Goat-fuck.

He knows enough about the law to know all of these issues, even though the lazy fuck never practiced law long enough to be any good at it.

Nobody can tell me they didn't take these issues into account and it all pretty much serves their purposes.

In the future they need to do a background check on Presidential candiates and submit them to a lie-detector test. See if the needles start jumping when you ask them..."Are the best interests of this country your number one goal.....do you love this country.....will you serve to the best of your ability?"

 

[WillowTree]

And so if he is not a citizen, how do you get a jury of his peers?

on any street corner in Kandahar! easy smeasy.

Just another example of why Obama knows this will be a total Goat-fuck.

He knows enough about the law to know all of these issues, even though the lazy fuck never practiced law long enough to be any good at it.

Nobody can tell me they didn't take these issues into account and it all pretty much serves their purposes.

In the future they need to do a background check on Presidential candiates and submit them to a lie-detector test. See if the needles start jumping when you ask them..."Are the best interests of this country your number one goal.....do you love this country.....will you serve to the best of your ability?"

hell,, I hate to burst your bubble and all on a fine Sunday morning but the left wing lunatics elected him because he hated this country. what part of "we are five days away from fundamentally changing America" don't you think they believe. ya know the messiahs woman took no pride in her country for her first 45 years..

 

[The T]

Do you know why we have over 2,200,000 prisoners in these US? Because the right to a jury of peers has been ignored:


"The right to a trial by jury is guaranteed to every citizen ...... by the Constitution ......The very idea of a jury is a body of men composed of the peers or equals of the person whose rights it is selected or summoned to determine -- that is, of his neighbors, fellows, associates, persons having the same legal status in society as that which he holds. Blackstone, in his Commentaries, says,

"The right of trial by jury, or the country, is a trial by the peers of every Englishman, and is the grand bulwark of his liberties, and is secured to him by the Great Charter."



U.S. Supreme Court
Strauder v. West Virginia, 100 U.S. 303 (1879)

.

What the FUCK are you talking about here? Right to TRIAL for Foreigners? What part of the Constitution guarantees this to FOREIGN INVADERS?

People plucked off the battlefield that are in POW status?

You're WRONG. Admit it. I'll wait.

This isn't about anyone's right to a trial.

This is an opportunity for the Obama Administration to shit all over the United States.

These people hate this country and everything it once stood for.

They want the show trial.....similar to the ones they have in other countries.....and they want to drag the US through the dirt just for their personal satisfaction. That's why they want to prosecute CIA interrogators. To show the world how screwed up our country is. It's gonna be reported on and broadcast to the Muslim world....and thus further inflame Muslims against us.

Anyone who takes up arms against the United States is a hero. These guys are like MLK, or Ronald Reagan to them. What do you think would happen if a bunch of pent up sex-starved assholes in the US saw another country put Ronald Reagan on trial?

What is really revealing is something I've heard more then once. This morning a Democrat that supported the trials said even if we can't get a conviction they will never be released. They have a list of trumped up charges they're gonna continue to hold them on. They're just doing this for the show.....then they're gonna take their right to a fair trial away. Bush would have had them tried and convicted by now but Obama put a stop to military tribunals once he was sworn in.

From Andy McCarthy:

[SNIP]

This summer, I theorized that Attorney General Eric Holder — and his boss — had a hidden agenda in ordering a re-investigation of the CIA for six-year-old alleged interrogation excesses that had already been scrutinized by non-partisan DOJ prosecutors who had found no basis for prosecution. The continuing investigations of Bush-era counterterrorism policies (i.e., the policies that kept us safe from more domestic terror attacks), coupled with the Holder Justice Department's obsession to disclose classified national-defense information from that period, enable Holder to give the hard Left the "reckoning" that he and Obama promised during the 2008 campaign. It would be too politically explosive for Obama/Holder to do the dirty work of charging Bush administration officials; but as new revelations from investigations and declassifications are churned out, Leftist lawyers use them to urge European and international tribunals to bring "torture" and "war crimes" indictments. Thus, administration cooperation gives Obama's base the reckoning it demands but Obama gets to deny responsibility for any actual prosecutions.

Today's announcement that KSM and other top al-Qaeda terrorists will be transferred to Manhattan federal court for civilian trials neatly fits this hidden agenda. Nothing results in more disclosures of government intelligence than civilian trials. They are a banquet of information, not just at the discovery stage but in the trial process itself, where witnesses — intelligence sources — must expose themselves and their secrets.

[/SNIP]

Feel free to click on the link provided above to read the rest. Highlighted for effect. This is indeed putting the previous administration on trial and exposing our methods that ensure the Security of this nation.

Seems to me that the leftists that demanded blood for the 8 years of President Bush are gonna get that and more if this goes forth IMHO.

 

[Diuretic]

Do you know why we have over 2,200,000 prisoners in these US? Because the right to a jury of peers has been ignored:


"The right to a trial by jury is guaranteed to every citizen ...... by the Constitution ......The very idea of a jury is a body of men composed of the peers or equals of the person whose rights it is selected or summoned to determine -- that is, of his neighbors, fellows, associates, persons having the same legal status in society as that which he holds. Blackstone, in his Commentaries, says,

"The right of trial by jury, or the country, is a trial by the peers of every Englishman, and is the grand bulwark of his liberties, and is secured to him by the Great Charter."



U.S. Supreme Court
Strauder v. West Virginia, 100 U.S. 303 (1879)

.

What the FUCK are you talking about here? Right to TRIAL for Foreigners? What part of the Constitution guarantees this to FOREIGN INVADERS?

People plucked off the battlefield that are in POW status?

You're WRONG. Admit it. I'll wait.

This isn't about anyone's right to a trial.

This is an opportunity for the Obama Administration to shit all over the United States.

These people hate this country and everything it once stood for.

They want the show trial.....similar to the ones they have in other countries.....and they want to drag the US through the dirt just for their personal satisfaction. That's why they want to prosecute CIA interrogators. To show the world how screwed up our country is. It's gonna be reported on and broadcast to the Muslim world....and thus further inflame Muslims against us.

Anyone who takes up arms against the United States is a hero. These guys are like MLK, or Ronald Reagan to them. What do you think would happen if a bunch of pent up sex-starved assholes in the US saw another country put Ronald Reagan on trial?

What is really revealing is something I've heard more then once. This morning a Democrat that supported the trials said even if we can't get a conviction they will never be released. They have a list of trumped up charges they're gonna continue to hold them on. They're just doing this for the show.....then they're gonna take their right to a fair trial away. Bush would have had them tried and convicted by now but Obama put a stop to military tribunals once he was sworn in.

The neat thing about a past hypothetical is that you can never be proven wrong.

 

[Diuretic]

There's a lot of hate for Obama here. The comments are getting to the level of ludicrous. Anyway I suppose it's cathartic.


5....4....3....2....1...."shaddup ya ferriner!"

 

[mudwhistle]

What the FUCK are you talking about here? Right to TRIAL for Foreigners? What part of the Constitution guarantees this to FOREIGN INVADERS?

People plucked off the battlefield that are in POW status?

You're WRONG. Admit it. I'll wait.

This isn't about anyone's right to a trial.

This is an opportunity for the Obama Administration to shit all over the United States.

These people hate this country and everything it once stood for.

They want the show trial.....similar to the ones they have in other countries.....and they want to drag the US through the dirt just for their personal satisfaction. That's why they want to prosecute CIA interrogators. To show the world how screwed up our country is. It's gonna be reported on and broadcast to the Muslim world....and thus further inflame Muslims against us.

Anyone who takes up arms against the United States is a hero. These guys are like MLK, or Ronald Reagan to them. What do you think would happen if a bunch of pent up sex-starved assholes in the US saw another country put Ronald Reagan on trial?

What is really revealing is something I've heard more then once. This morning a Democrat that supported the trials said even if we can't get a conviction they will never be released. They have a list of trumped up charges they're gonna continue to hold them on. They're just doing this for the show.....then they're gonna take their right to a fair trial away. Bush would have had them tried and convicted by now but Obama put a stop to military tribunals once he was sworn in.

From Andy McCarthy:

[SNIP]

This summer, I theorized that Attorney General Eric Holder — and his boss — had a hidden agenda in ordering a re-investigation of the CIA for six-year-old alleged interrogation excesses that had already been scrutinized by non-partisan DOJ prosecutors who had found no basis for prosecution. The continuing investigations of Bush-era counterterrorism policies (i.e., the policies that kept us safe from more domestic terror attacks), coupled with the Holder Justice Department's obsession to disclose classified national-defense information from that period, enable Holder to give the hard Left the "reckoning" that he and Obama promised during the 2008 campaign. It would be too politically explosive for Obama/Holder to do the dirty work of charging Bush administration officials; but as new revelations from investigations and declassifications are churned out, Leftist lawyers use them to urge European and international tribunals to bring "torture" and "war crimes" indictments. Thus, administration cooperation gives Obama's base the reckoning it demands but Obama gets to deny responsibility for any actual prosecutions.

Today's announcement that KSM and other top al-Qaeda terrorists will be transferred to Manhattan federal court for civilian trials neatly fits this hidden agenda. Nothing results in more disclosures of government intelligence than civilian trials. They are a banquet of information, not just at the discovery stage but in the trial process itself, where witnesses — intelligence sources — must expose themselves and their secrets.

[/SNIP]

Feel free to click on the link provided above to read the rest. Highlighted for effect. This is indeed putting the previous administration on trial and exposing our methods that ensure the Security of this nation.

Seems to me that the leftists that demanded blood for the 8 years of President Bush are gonna get that and more if this goes forth IMHO.

Well that skinny fuck has to leave office eventually and I'm gonna demand investgations into his actions.

 

[Modbert]

This thread is hilarious with reactions from people like Mud and Thomas. Seriously, some of the shit you guys are spewing is comedy gold.

 

[mudwhistle]

This thread is hilarious with reactions from people like Mud and Thomas. Seriously, some of the shit you guys are spewing is comedy gold.

Actually it's not comedy but common-sense.

Something you have issues with.

 

[Modbert]

Actually it's not comedy but common-sense.

Something you have issues with.

I have no issues with common sense. Let's say for a moment we take your batshit insane idea of lie detector tests for Presidential Candidates. You really think that if some evil candidate couldn't just learn how to beat the test? There is a good amount of reasoning why the court system does not allow for these tests to be used as evidence in court. Not only beating the test but also false positives.

Never mind the fact that the person giving the test could give it wrong or be corrupt.

You have once again showed your lack of logic when it comes to Barack Obama and this country.

 

[mudwhistle]

on any street corner in Kandahar! easy smeasy.

Just another example of why Obama knows this will be a total Goat-fuck.

He knows enough about the law to know all of these issues, even though the lazy fuck never practiced law long enough to be any good at it.

Nobody can tell me they didn't take these issues into account and it all pretty much serves their purposes.

In the future they need to do a background check on Presidential candiates and submit them to a lie-detector test. See if the needles start jumping when you ask them..."Are the best interests of this country your number one goal.....do you love this country.....will you serve to the best of your ability?"

hell,, I hate to burst your bubble and all on a fine Sunday morning but the left wing lunatics elected him because he hated this country. what part of "we are five days away from fundamentally changing America" don't you think they believe. ya know the messiahs woman took no pride in her country for her first 45 years..

Change isn't always a good thing.

Dumbasses thought is was.

 

[mudwhistle]

Actually it's not comedy but common-sense.

Something you have issues with.

I have no issues with common sense. Let's say for a moment we take your batshit insane idea of lie detector tests for Presidential Candidates. You really think that if some evil candidate couldn't just learn how to beat the test? There is a good amount of reasoning why the court system does not allow for these tests to be used as evidence in court. Not only beating the test but also false positives.

Never mind the fact that the person giving the test could give it wrong or be corrupt.

You have once again showed your lack of logic when it comes to Barack Obama and this country.

I guess in your fantasy world that sounds logical.

But in the real world I think a good interrogator would turn Obama into a pile of mush. He's already shown he has no fucken balls. Put him under the spotlight and he'll melt like the practiced liar he is. This is the reason he has to use a teleprompter. He may be able to lie to us but not to a pro.

But keep dreaming.