Kerry tells Israel that Syria accord is no prelude to Iran deal

[Connery]

"The U.S. government sought to reassure Israel on Sunday that the U.S.-Russia deal to secure Syria’s chemical weapons does not diminish American resolve to prevent Iran from gaining a nuclear weapon.

Secretary of State John F. Kerry flew to Israel to personally brief Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on what he called “the most far-reaching chemical weapons removal ever.”

We cannot have hollow words in the conduct of international affairs, because that affects all other issues, whether Iran or North Korea or others,” Kerry said after talks with Netanyahu."

Kerry tells Israel that Syria accord is no prelude to Iran deal - The Washington Post

The US has no choice but to be uniform in it's approach to the chemical weapons in Syria or any other weapons of mass destruction. To do so would be to invite further instability in the region and weaken the US as an international player.

 

[dilloduck]

"The U.S. government sought to reassure Israel on Sunday that the U.S.-Russia deal to secure Syria’s chemical weapons does not diminish American resolve to prevent Iran from gaining a nuclear weapon.

Secretary of State John F. Kerry flew to Israel to personally brief Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on what he called “the most far-reaching chemical weapons removal ever.”

We cannot have hollow words in the conduct of international affairs, because that affects all other issues, whether Iran or North Korea or others,” Kerry said after talks with Netanyahu."

Kerry tells Israel that Syria accord is no prelude to Iran deal - The Washington Post

The US has no choice but to be uniform in it's approach to the chemical weapons in Syria or any other weapons of mass destruction. To do so would be to invite further instability in the region and weaken the US as an international player.

We will NOT be uniform when it comes to Israel though. A major point that the Arab world makes over and over.

 

[Connery]

Perhaps, but when does one ally tell another ally what to do in this regard? Russia did because they were up against a wall as the US would if faced with the same type of circumstances. Syria used these weapons, should Israel do the same I would expect the US to act in the same manner.

 

[dilloduck]

Perhaps, but when does one ally tell another ally what to do in this regard? Russia did because they were up against a wall as the US would if faced with the same type of circumstances. Syria used these weapons, should Israel do the same I would expect the US to act in the same manner.

That's exactly why the Arabs claim that the US cannot be a fair peace broker in the region. We demand Arab countries to admit and disclose WMDs and nukes but we don't treat Israel in the same manner.

 

[Connery]

So let me understand....we are to treat an ally as an enemy? That just does not make sense. The US and Israel are part of each other's defense strategy, for example, Israel manufactures parts for AWACs planes which as used by the US as well as provided to Turkey. Which Arab countries are you referring to?

 

[dilloduck]

So let me understand....we are to treat an ally as an enemy? That just does not make sense. The US and Israel are part of each other's defense strategy, for example, Israel manufactures parts for AWACs planes which as used by the US as well as provided to Turkey. Which Arab countries are you referring to?

We're acting as the "world's policeman" and asking some countries to disarm but when someone else says "how about Israel ? ", we ignore it. It's one of the reasons al Qaeda declared war against us.
There's not even the slightest attempt at the US being fair about it. We are not uniform in our approach.

 

[Connery]

So let me understand....we are to treat an ally as an enemy? That just does not make sense. The US and Israel are part of each other's defense strategy, for example, Israel manufactures parts for AWACs planes which as used by the US as well as provided to Turkey. Which Arab countries are you referring to?

We're acting as the "world's policeman" and asking some countries to disarm but when someone else says "how about Israel ? ", we ignore it. It's one of the reasons al Qaeda declared war against us.
There's not even the slightest attempt at the US being fair about it. We are not uniform in our approach.

You are putting the spin of "world policeman", I see the US acting in their own best interests and that means treating allies like allies. The approach is nonetheless uniform. Specifically, on what basis do you suggest the US act against Israel or any other ally.

 

[dilloduck]

So let me understand....we are to treat an ally as an enemy? That just does not make sense. The US and Israel are part of each other's defense strategy, for example, Israel manufactures parts for AWACs planes which as used by the US as well as provided to Turkey. Which Arab countries are you referring to?

We're acting as the "world's policeman" and asking some countries to disarm but when someone else says "how about Israel ? ", we ignore it. It's one of the reasons al Qaeda declared war against us.
There's not even the slightest attempt at the US being fair about it. We are not uniform in our approach.

You are putting the spin of "world policeman", I see the US acting in their own best interests and that means treating allies like allies. The approach is nonetheless uniform. Specifically, on what basis do you suggest the US act against Israel or any other ally.

The US does act in it's own interests and the interests of it's allies. That's why when it plays on the international level it's seen acting in a bias as non uniform manner.
It's doesn't say WMDs should be destroyed everywhere. It says they should be destroyed everywhere but Israel. We and the UN demand that Iran open up for nuclear inspections yet allow Israel to refuse.
You must see the obvious bias and the reason other countries scream foul.

 

[Connery]

We're acting as the "world's policeman" and asking some countries to disarm but when someone else says "how about Israel ? ", we ignore it. It's one of the reasons al Qaeda declared war against us.
There's not even the slightest attempt at the US being fair about it. We are not uniform in our approach.

You are putting the spin of "world policeman", I see the US acting in their own best interests and that means treating allies like allies. The approach is nonetheless uniform. Specifically, on what basis do you suggest the US act against Israel or any other ally.

The US does act in it's own interests and the interests of it's allies. That's why when it plays on the international level it's seen acting in a bias as non uniform manner.
It's doesn't say WMDs should be destroyed everywhere. It says they should be destroyed everywhere but Israel. We and the UN demand that Iran open up for nuclear inspections yet allow Israel to refuse.
You must see the obvious bias and the reason other countries scream foul.

Bias yes, uniform manner yes. And should those allies act in the same manner as Syria the response would be the same.

 

[dilloduck]

You are putting the spin of "world policeman", I see the US acting in their own best interests and that means treating allies like allies. The approach is nonetheless uniform. Specifically, on what basis do you suggest the US act against Israel or any other ally.

The US does act in it's own interests and the interests of it's allies. That's why when it plays on the international level it's seen acting in a bias as non uniform manner.
It's doesn't say WMDs should be destroyed everywhere. It says they should be destroyed everywhere but Israel. We and the UN demand that Iran open up for nuclear inspections yet allow Israel to refuse.
You must see the obvious bias and the reason other countries scream foul.

Bias yes, uniform manner yes. And should those allies act in the same manner as Syria the response would be the same.

Uniform manner yes ? How do you see that ? There are 7 countries I in the entire world that haven't signed and ratified the CWC. Israel is one of them.

 

[dilloduck]

Israel under pressure to give up chemical, nuclear weapons

“Israel has an interest in a chemical free zone as opposed to a nuclear-free zone,” Eitan Barak said. “That would leave Israel with its alleged monopoly on nuclear weapons.”

“The main pretext for Israel’s refusal to ratify the treaty was the Syrian arsenal,” Eitan Barak, a professor of international relations from Hebrew University, told The Media Line. “Israel says Syria is a neighbor country, hostile, with a large arsenal of chemical weapons and we needed to be able to retaliate.”

Israel under pressure to give up chemical, nuclear weapons | JPost | Israel News

If the justification for Israel having chemical weapons is to retaliate in case Syria uses them why would Israel need them after Syria is disarmed ?

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Israel under pressure to give up chemical, nuclear weapons

“Israel has an interest in a chemical free zone as opposed to a nuclear-free zone,” Eitan Barak said. “That would leave Israel with its alleged monopoly on nuclear weapons.”

“The main pretext for Israel’s refusal to ratify the treaty was the Syrian arsenal,” Eitan Barak, a professor of international relations from Hebrew University, told The Media Line. “Israel says Syria is a neighbor country, hostile, with a large arsenal of chemical weapons and we needed to be able to retaliate.”

Israel under pressure to give up chemical, nuclear weapons | JPost | Israel News

If the justification for Israel having chemical weapons is to retaliate in case Syria uses them why would Israel need them after Syria is disarmed ?

More US double standards and lack of uniformity and hypocrisy on display. And what about the US and Russias chemical weapons?

 

[Connery]

The US does act in it's own interests and the interests of it's allies. That's why when it plays on the international level it's seen acting in a bias as non uniform manner.
It's doesn't say WMDs should be destroyed everywhere. It says they should be destroyed everywhere but Israel. We and the UN demand that Iran open up for nuclear inspections yet allow Israel to refuse.
You must see the obvious bias and the reason other countries scream foul.

Bias yes, uniform manner yes. And should those allies act in the same manner as Syria the response would be the same.

Uniform manner yes ? How do you see that ? There are 7 countries I in the entire world that haven't signed and ratified the CWC. Israel is one of them.

So what. We are discussing the uniformity of US response.

 

[dilloduck]

Bias yes, uniform manner yes. And should those allies act in the same manner as Syria the response would be the same.

Uniform manner yes ? How do you see that ? There are 7 countries I in the entire world that haven't signed and ratified the CWC. Israel is one of them.

So what. We are discussing the uniformity of US response.

We ask Syria and Iran to disarm but not Israel.
It's that simple.

 

[Connery]

Uniform manner yes ? How do you see that ? There are 7 countries I in the entire world that haven't signed and ratified the CWC. Israel is one of them.

So what. We are discussing the uniformity of US response.

We ask Syria and Iran to disarm but not Israel.
It's that simple.

Nah you no valid argument. Iran is a enemy of the US and Syria used chemical weapons on their own people.

 

[dilloduck]

So what. We are discussing the uniformity of US response.

We ask Syria and Iran to disarm but not Israel.
It's that simple.

Nah you no valid argument. Iran is a enemy of the US and Syria used chemical weapons on their own people.

If the Syrian government was actually responsible for using the gas they used it because they were under attack, not only by rebels from within their country but by a multinational force of mercenaries some of who are being armed and trained by America. They used them in defense which is the very same reason that Israel would use theirs. Israel CONSTANTLY is arguing for it's right too defend itself. Don't other countries have that right?

 

[Connery]

We ask Syria and Iran to disarm but not Israel.
It's that simple.

Nah you no valid argument. Iran is a enemy of the US and Syria used chemical weapons on their own people.

If the Syrian government was actually responsible for using the gas they used it because they were under attack, not only by rebels from within their country but by a multinational force of mercenaries some of who are being armed and trained by America. They used them in defense which is the very same reason that Israel would use theirs. Israel CONSTANTLY is arguing for it's right too defend itself. Don't other countries have that right?

You are justifying the use of a chemical weapon by Syria that caused the death of approximately 426 children....

Every nation has a right to defend itself there are limits regarding the means by which that defense is employed. Moreover, Russia has been Syria's staunch ally who has supplied weapons to them as well as Iran. Indeed, Russia's current contracts with Syria for arms are estimated to be worth 1.5 billion US dollars, comprising 10% of Russia's global arms sales.

BBC News - Russian arms shipments bolster Syria's embattled Assad

"Iran and Russia have backed the other side in the conflict, providing extensive aid to forces loyal to Mr. Assad, a fact that the American and Saudi diplomats highlighted on Monday.

“Believe me, the bad actors, regrettably, have no shortage of their ability to get weapons from Iran, from Hezbollah, from Russia, unfortunately, and that’s happening,” Mr. Kerry said"

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/05/world/middleeast/syria-russia-iran-arms.html?_r=0

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

So what. We are discussing the uniformity of US response.

We ask Syria and Iran to disarm but not Israel.
It's that simple.

Nah you no valid argument. Iran is a enemy of the US and Syria used chemical weapons on their own people.

So, one set of laws (no laws) apply to the US and Israel and another to those we label "enemy" ? And we have used chemicals on our own people too.

 

[dilloduck]

Nah you no valid argument. Iran is a enemy of the US and Syria used chemical weapons on their own people.

If the Syrian government was actually responsible for using the gas they used it because they were under attack, not only by rebels from within their country but by a multinational force of mercenaries some of who are being armed and trained by America. They used them in defense which is the very same reason that Israel would use theirs. Israel CONSTANTLY is arguing for it's right too defend itself. Don't other countries have that right?

You are justifying the use of a chemical weapon by Syria that caused the death of approximately 426 children....

Every nation has a right to defend itself there are limits regarding the means by which that defense is employed. Moreover, Russia has been Syria's staunch ally who has supplied weapons to them as well as Iran. Indeed, Russia's current contracts with Syria for arms are estimated to be worth 1.5 billion US dollars, comprising 10% of Russia's global arms sales.

BBC News - Russian arms shipments bolster Syria's embattled Assad

"Iran and Russia have backed the other side in the conflict, providing extensive aid to forces loyal to Mr. Assad, a fact that the American and Saudi diplomats highlighted on Monday.

“Believe me, the bad actors, regrettably, have no shortage of their ability to get weapons from Iran, from Hezbollah, from Russia, unfortunately, and that’s happening,” Mr. Kerry said"

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/05/world/middleeast/syria-russia-iran-arms.html?_r=0

If the US is attacked I hope to God that we will be protected by any means possible EVEN if there is the possibility of collateral damage that includes the killing of innocents.
Do you know where these battles are being fought ? In neighborhoods where people live. Far more children are being killed by conventional weapons due to rebels hiding in neighborhoods. The Israelis know how this works. They are constantly berated for collateral damage because terrorsts use civlians as shields.
What gives Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar and the US the legal right to invade Syria ?

Limits to self defense weapons ? Where is that proscribed ?

 

[Hossfly]

Uniform manner yes ? How do you see that ? There are 7 countries I in the entire world that haven't signed and ratified the CWC. Israel is one of them.

So what. We are discussing the uniformity of US response.

We ask Syria and Iran to disarm but not Israel.
It's that simple.

Israel successfully defends itself the past 65 years and it boils down to, "Israel isn't playing fair.They won't take a whipping so it's only fair that they should disarm and let Allah's Warriors win for once". In a pig's eye!