Keeping My Promise to Expose Obama

[Peejay]

Gunny, your vets organizations ASKED for this. Obama didn't pull out of his ass. They ASKED for it. He gave it. Again, your problem is with what vets want. You should take it up with them.

 

[DiveCon]

Gunny, your vets organizations ASKED for this. Obama didn't pull out of his ass. They ASKED for it. He gave it. Again, your problem is with what vets want. You should take it up with them.

so, vets asking for better care is vets asking to be fucked?

you are such a blind partisan asshole

 

[Peejay]

Gunny, your vets organizations ASKED for this. Obama didn't pull out of his ass. They ASKED for it. He gave it. Again, your problem is with what vets want. You should take it up with them.

so, vets asking for better care is vets asking to be fucked?

you are such a blind partisan asshole

Vets asked for a budget increase and they got it. The VA and the largest vets groups in America are saying this is the best thing to happen to VA in their lifetime.

Increases funding for VA by $25 billion above the baseline over the next five years. The President’s Budget takes the first step toward increasing funding for VA by $25 billion during the next five years in order to honor our nation’s veterans and expand the services they receive.

Dramatically increases funding for VA health care. This increase will provide adequate resources to give 5.5 million veteran patients timely and high-quality care. This funding also enables VA to create Centers of Excellence and provides additional veteran-oriented specialty care in areas including prosthetics, vision and spinal cord injury, aging, and women’s health.

Restores health care eligibility for modest-income veterans. The President’s Budget expands eligibility for VA health care to non-disabled veterans earning modest incomes. This expansion will bring more than 500,000 eligible veterans into the VA health care system by 2013 while maintaining high-quality and timely care for the lower-income and disabled veterans who currently rely on VA medical care.

From the VA watchdog group: OBAMA'S VA BUDGET HAS MORE FOR VETERANS, CALLS IT "RENEWING AMERICA'S PROMISE" -- Budget calling for 11% increase in discretionary funding, greater VA access for Group 8 vets, new homeless vet programs, and more. -- VA Watchdog dot Org - VA NEWS FLAS

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The Intelligence Daily) -- President Barack Obama took bold steps this week to repair the damage his predecessor George W. Bush left at the Department of Veterans Affairs, proposing a sharp increase to the agency's budget and introducing new initiatives to deal with a massive backlog in benefits claims.

At the same time, Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates announced they would convene an emergency meeting to address the spike in suicides among active-duty soldiers.
Under the Bush administration, the VA suffered through massive budget shortfalls--$1 billion in 2005 alone-- due, in part, to Bush’s political cronies who downplayed the agency’s financial needs and failed to take into account the costs associated with treating veterans injured in Afghanistan and Iraq. Previous GAO reports found that the VA used controversial accounting during the height of the Iraq war to justify cuts to veteran’s healthcare enacted by the Bush administration.

Obama's VA Budget Proposal Aims to Eliminate Benefits Claims Backlog

Blackanthem Military News
WASHINGTON, D.C. - Today U.S. Senator Daniel K. Akaka (D-HI), Chairman of the Veterans' Affairs Committee, heard testimony from Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric K. Shinseki and representatives from veterans groups on next year's budget for veterans' programs at the Department of Veterans Affairs. Secretary Shinseki laid out a broad vision on how he plans to improve quality while expanding care and benefits to veterans and their families.

"The President's proposed funding increase would significantly strengthen the support we as a Nation give those who serve in the Armed Forces. I support the President's plans to open VA health care to more veterans, combat homelessness, and target issues particularly related to those who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan, such as traumatic brain injury, PTSD, care for female veterans, and employment issues. I look forward to seeing a more detailed budget proposal in the coming weeks," said Akaka.

Akaka Hearing Focuses Attention on Obama's VA Budget


This is a win for vets.

Gunny, got any proof of that net loss you claim ? Lets see it.

 

[DiveCon]

Gunny, your vets organizations ASKED for this. Obama didn't pull out of his ass. They ASKED for it. He gave it. Again, your problem is with what vets want. You should take it up with them.

so, vets asking for better care is vets asking to be fucked?

you are such a blind partisan asshole

Vets asked for a budget increase and they got it. The VA and the largest vets groups in America are saying this is the best thing to happen to VA in their lifetime.



From the VA watchdog group: OBAMA'S VA BUDGET HAS MORE FOR VETERANS, CALLS IT "RENEWING AMERICA'S PROMISE" -- Budget calling for 11% increase in discretionary funding, greater VA access for Group 8 vets, new homeless vet programs, and more. -- VA Watchdog dot Org - VA NEWS FLAS

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The Intelligence Daily) -- President Barack Obama took bold steps this week to repair the damage his predecessor George W. Bush left at the Department of Veterans Affairs, proposing a sharp increase to the agency's budget and introducing new initiatives to deal with a massive backlog in benefits claims.

At the same time, Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates announced they would convene an emergency meeting to address the spike in suicides among active-duty soldiers.
Under the Bush administration, the VA suffered through massive budget shortfalls--$1 billion in 2005 alone-- due, in part, to Bush’s political cronies who downplayed the agency’s financial needs and failed to take into account the costs associated with treating veterans injured in Afghanistan and Iraq. Previous GAO reports found that the VA used controversial accounting during the height of the Iraq war to justify cuts to veteran’s healthcare enacted by the Bush administration.

Obama's VA Budget Proposal Aims to Eliminate Benefits Claims Backlog

Blackanthem Military News
WASHINGTON, D.C. - Today U.S. Senator Daniel K. Akaka (D-HI), Chairman of the Veterans' Affairs Committee, heard testimony from Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric K. Shinseki and representatives from veterans groups on next year's budget for veterans' programs at the Department of Veterans Affairs. Secretary Shinseki laid out a broad vision on how he plans to improve quality while expanding care and benefits to veterans and their families.

"The President's proposed funding increase would significantly strengthen the support we as a Nation give those who serve in the Armed Forces. I support the President's plans to open VA health care to more veterans, combat homelessness, and target issues particularly related to those who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan, such as traumatic brain injury, PTSD, care for female veterans, and employment issues. I look forward to seeing a more detailed budget proposal in the coming weeks," said Akaka.

Akaka Hearing Focuses Attention on Obama's VA Budget


This is a win for vets.

Gunny, got any proof of that net loss you claim ? Lets see it.

again, how is asking for increased funding asking to be fucked over like that?

while you proved that vets asked for increased funding, you didnt prove that they asked to be charged for treatments for wounds from battle

 

[Peejay]

so, vets asking for better care is vets asking to be fucked?

you are such a blind partisan asshole

Vets asked for a budget increase and they got it. The VA and the largest vets groups in America are saying this is the best thing to happen to VA in their lifetime.



From the VA watchdog group: OBAMA'S VA BUDGET HAS MORE FOR VETERANS, CALLS IT "RENEWING AMERICA'S PROMISE" -- Budget calling for 11% increase in discretionary funding, greater VA access for Group 8 vets, new homeless vet programs, and more. -- VA Watchdog dot Org - VA NEWS FLAS

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Obama's VA Budget Proposal Aims to Eliminate Benefits Claims Backlog

Blackanthem Military News
WASHINGTON, D.C. - Today U.S. Senator Daniel K. Akaka (D-HI), Chairman of the Veterans' Affairs Committee, heard testimony from Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric K. Shinseki and representatives from veterans groups on next year's budget for veterans' programs at the Department of Veterans Affairs. Secretary Shinseki laid out a broad vision on how he plans to improve quality while expanding care and benefits to veterans and their families.

"The President's proposed funding increase would significantly strengthen the support we as a Nation give those who serve in the Armed Forces. I support the President's plans to open VA health care to more veterans, combat homelessness, and target issues particularly related to those who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan, such as traumatic brain injury, PTSD, care for female veterans, and employment issues. I look forward to seeing a more detailed budget proposal in the coming weeks," said Akaka.

Akaka Hearing Focuses Attention on Obama's VA Budget


This is a win for vets.

Gunny, got any proof of that net loss you claim ? Lets see it.

again, how is asking for increased funding asking to be fucked over like that?

while you proved that vets asked for increased funding, you didnt prove that they asked to be charged for treatments for wounds from battle

They didn't ask for that. No one ever asked them to do that. It was a bad idea, unpopular and hastily rejected.

Regardless of that, Obama has provided the largest budget increase in VA history. The VA and vets groups are pleased as punch.

 

[DiveCon]

Vets asked for a budget increase and they got it. The VA and the largest vets groups in America are saying this is the best thing to happen to VA in their lifetime.



From the VA watchdog group: OBAMA'S VA BUDGET HAS MORE FOR VETERANS, CALLS IT "RENEWING AMERICA'S PROMISE" -- Budget calling for 11% increase in discretionary funding, greater VA access for Group 8 vets, new homeless vet programs, and more. -- VA Watchdog dot Org - VA NEWS FLAS

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Obama's VA Budget Proposal Aims to Eliminate Benefits Claims Backlog



Akaka Hearing Focuses Attention on Obama's VA Budget


This is a win for vets.

Gunny, got any proof of that net loss you claim ? Lets see it.

again, how is asking for increased funding asking to be fucked over like that?

while you proved that vets asked for increased funding, you didnt prove that they asked to be charged for treatments for wounds from battle

They didn't ask for that. No one ever asked them to do that. It was a bad idea, unpopular and hastily rejected.

Regardless of that, Obama has provided the largest budget increase in VA history. The VA and vets groups are pleased as punch.

so, you still didnt prove what you claimed

 

[Peejay]

again, how is asking for increased funding asking to be fucked over like that?

while you proved that vets asked for increased funding, you didnt prove that they asked to be charged for treatments for wounds from battle

They didn't ask for that. No one ever asked them to do that. It was a bad idea, unpopular and hastily rejected.

Regardless of that, Obama has provided the largest budget increase in VA history. The VA and vets groups are pleased as punch.

so, you still didnt prove what you claimed

Not sure what you are asking. Not even sure if you are asking a question. Can you be more specific about what I claimed ?

 

[Gunny]

Gunny, your vets organizations ASKED for this. Obama didn't pull out of his ass. They ASKED for it. He gave it. Again, your problem is with what vets want. You should take it up with them.

"A" or "some" veterans organizations asked for it. I have no idea how many there are, and they aren't mine. I doubt they asked for something that would be underfunded. That's just what they got.

And AGAIN, that portion is irrelevant to Obama voicing the idea that veterans should pay for their own healthcare. That was to my or anyone else's knowledge, Obama's idea, and HE is who I will hold accountable for having that idea, not some nameless veterans association(s).

The idea that veterans would ask to cover their own cost for service-related injuries is preposterous.

You're STILL trying to confuse two, separate issues.

 

[DiveCon]

They didn't ask for that. No one ever asked them to do that. It was a bad idea, unpopular and hastily rejected.

Regardless of that, Obama has provided the largest budget increase in VA history. The VA and vets groups are pleased as punch.

so, you still didnt prove what you claimed

Not sure what you are asking. Not even sure if you are asking a question. Can you be more specific about what I claimed ?

gunny covered it
you claimed it, its not true, yet you still want to praise Obama for this fuckup
you are the epitome of a blind partisan

 

[Gunny]

Gunny, your vets organizations ASKED for this. Obama didn't pull out of his ass. They ASKED for it. He gave it. Again, your problem is with what vets want. You should take it up with them.

so, vets asking for better care is vets asking to be fucked?

you are such a blind partisan asshole

Vets asked for a budget increase and they got it. The VA and the largest vets groups in America are saying this is the best thing to happen to VA in their lifetime.



From the VA watchdog group: OBAMA'S VA BUDGET HAS MORE FOR VETERANS, CALLS IT "RENEWING AMERICA'S PROMISE" -- Budget calling for 11% increase in discretionary funding, greater VA access for Group 8 vets, new homeless vet programs, and more. -- VA Watchdog dot Org - VA NEWS FLAS

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The Intelligence Daily) -- President Barack Obama took bold steps this week to repair the damage his predecessor George W. Bush left at the Department of Veterans Affairs, proposing a sharp increase to the agency's budget and introducing new initiatives to deal with a massive backlog in benefits claims.

At the same time, Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates announced they would convene an emergency meeting to address the spike in suicides among active-duty soldiers.
Under the Bush administration, the VA suffered through massive budget shortfalls--$1 billion in 2005 alone-- due, in part, to Bush’s political cronies who downplayed the agency’s financial needs and failed to take into account the costs associated with treating veterans injured in Afghanistan and Iraq. Previous GAO reports found that the VA used controversial accounting during the height of the Iraq war to justify cuts to veteran’s healthcare enacted by the Bush administration.

Obama's VA Budget Proposal Aims to Eliminate Benefits Claims Backlog

Blackanthem Military News
WASHINGTON, D.C. - Today U.S. Senator Daniel K. Akaka (D-HI), Chairman of the Veterans' Affairs Committee, heard testimony from Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric K. Shinseki and representatives from veterans groups on next year's budget for veterans' programs at the Department of Veterans Affairs. Secretary Shinseki laid out a broad vision on how he plans to improve quality while expanding care and benefits to veterans and their families.

"The President's proposed funding increase would significantly strengthen the support we as a Nation give those who serve in the Armed Forces. I support the President's plans to open VA health care to more veterans, combat homelessness, and target issues particularly related to those who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan, such as traumatic brain injury, PTSD, care for female veterans, and employment issues. I look forward to seeing a more detailed budget proposal in the coming weeks," said Akaka.

Akaka Hearing Focuses Attention on Obama's VA Budget


This is a win for vets.

Gunny, got any proof of that net loss you claim ? Lets see it.

How slow can you be? "Vets asked for an increase and got it." Shut up already. Like I said, complex ideas must be beyond your capabilities.

I don't have to prove the obvious. Look at the law. Along with the increase, Obama opened VA care up to ALL vets, service-related injury or not. Do you know how many vets there are? Do you think $1B is going to cover the medical care for ALL of them?

The answer's no, and it's a no-brainer. Quit being a pig-headed leftwinger who refuses to admit he's dead-ass wrong. That's a net loss. You're grasping for straws.

None of which changes the fact that Obama suggested veterans with service-related injuries pay for their own healthcare. You keep deflecting because you refuse to acknowledge the obvious, and what is fact.

It's the mindset. A mindset that is as ridiculous as refusing to acknowledge what is fact in order to try and win an argument on a message board.

 

[Peejay]

so, vets asking for better care is vets asking to be fucked?

you are such a blind partisan asshole

Vets asked for a budget increase and they got it. The VA and the largest vets groups in America are saying this is the best thing to happen to VA in their lifetime.



From the VA watchdog group: OBAMA'S VA BUDGET HAS MORE FOR VETERANS, CALLS IT "RENEWING AMERICA'S PROMISE" -- Budget calling for 11% increase in discretionary funding, greater VA access for Group 8 vets, new homeless vet programs, and more. -- VA Watchdog dot Org - VA NEWS FLAS

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Obama's VA Budget Proposal Aims to Eliminate Benefits Claims Backlog

Blackanthem Military News
WASHINGTON, D.C. - Today U.S. Senator Daniel K. Akaka (D-HI), Chairman of the Veterans' Affairs Committee, heard testimony from Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric K. Shinseki and representatives from veterans groups on next year's budget for veterans' programs at the Department of Veterans Affairs. Secretary Shinseki laid out a broad vision on how he plans to improve quality while expanding care and benefits to veterans and their families.

"The President's proposed funding increase would significantly strengthen the support we as a Nation give those who serve in the Armed Forces. I support the President's plans to open VA health care to more veterans, combat homelessness, and target issues particularly related to those who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan, such as traumatic brain injury, PTSD, care for female veterans, and employment issues. I look forward to seeing a more detailed budget proposal in the coming weeks," said Akaka.

Akaka Hearing Focuses Attention on Obama's VA Budget


This is a win for vets.

Gunny, got any proof of that net loss you claim ? Lets see it.

How slow can you be? "Vets asked for an increase and got it." Shut up already. Like I said, complex ideas must be beyond your capabilities.

I don't have to prove the obvious. Look at the law. Along with the increase, Obama opened VA care up to ALL vets, service-related injury or not. Do you know how many vets there are? Do you think $1B is going to cover the medical care for ALL of them?

The answer's no, and it's a no-brainer. Quit being a pig-headed leftwinger who refuses to admit he's dead-ass wrong. That's a net loss. You're grasping for straws.

None of which changes the fact that Obama suggested veterans with service-related injuries pay for their own healthcare. You keep deflecting because you refuse to acknowledge the obvious, and what is fact.

It's the mindset. A mindset that is as ridiculous as refusing to acknowledge what is fact in order to try and win an argument on a message board.

That is an outright lie. The VA has not been opened up to ALL vets. You got any proof ? Got anything to back up what you say ?

The nine largest vets groups in the country approve of this VA plan. The VA approves. They all say it will provide better care and better facilities.

So far, it is only you that claim this net loss. Again, you got anything to substantiate this claim ?

The insurance idea was a bad idea. Never claimed it was a good idea. It was a small part of this massive VA funding, that the vets asked for.

Again, you just have you opinion stated here. Bring some facts along.

I got plenty more vets groups to post for you that discount your claim of a net loss.

Again, it was a bad idea on the insurance. Vets still get the largest funding increase in history. The mind set is to care for our vets. If you can prove otherwise, I invite you to do so.

 

[Gunny]

Here are some numbers for you:

There are approximately 5.5 million veterans using VA healthcare.

Obama's budget increase is from $97.7B to $112.8B. Plus, veterans will now be able to keep all their retirement pay PLUS any VA compensation.

Approximately 500K more vets will be allowed VA healthcare.

The VA got a $15.1B raise. Divide that into 500K it comes out 33,112.58 per person.

A November 2007 report from the Nobel Peace Prize winning Physicians for Social Responsibility predicted that providing medical care and benefits to Iraq veterans could top $660 billion: this is greater than the current operational costs of the war ($500 billion).

Health Beat: The Truth About Health Care for Veterans

You do the math.

 

[Peejay]

Here is what vets groups are lobbying for Gunny:

Paul Rieckhoff, executive director of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA), said that while his organization is pleased to see that Obama has budget a lot of money for the VA, his proposal "is still not a slam dunk for veterans. First, Obama hasn't opened up VA health care coverage to every veteran. This is a major misstep,"

Veterans Today - News for U.S. Military Veterans Jobs, VA Benefits, Home Loans, Hospitals & Administration - Top 10 Veterans News from Around the Country 3-11-09

They want the VA opened to everyone. Obama's plan allows a few more in, but he didn't allow them all in, as you claim. You claim is untrue. And suggesting that it is Obama who wants them all in is wrong. He is merely responding to vets request. Same thing he did when they asked him to drop the third party billing plan.

 

[Peejay]

Sure Gunny. Iraq vets are going to cost the system. So what do you want ? Obama gave the VA MORE than the request from the VA and the suggested budgets submitted by the vets organizations. He gave them MORE than they asked for.

Evidently, Obama knows better than they what this is going to cost, eventually.

Again, take it up with your fellow vets, join the vets groups that are getting exactly what they want, and then some. It is they that are making this agenda.

 

[elvis]

Explain to us why you are defending a President's who comes up with an dea, implemented or not, to force vets to PAY for their own insurance when they get wounded.

 

[Indiana Oracle]

Gunny,
Don't Advertise--
Drop dead. No one on this board needs any guidance from anyone especially someone as vulgar as you.

 

[Peejay]

A coalition of veterans’ groups wants Congress to ensure that the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) has predictable medical care funding to better treat injured soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan.


While more political attention has been paid to a possible expansion of education benefits for returning soldiers under a new GI bill, some veterans’ groups are highlighting the need to improve VA’s funding.

TheHill.com - Veterans’ groups pushing for more predictable VA funding

Another example of what was asked for and what was given. The first on time VA budget in years.

“It is a lot cheaper to provide veteran care through the VA than it is to provide it by Medicare or Medicaid,” said Violante. “If we put the resources into the VA it would certainly be fiscally responsible.”

TheHill.com - Veterans’ groups pushing for more predictable VA funding

They say it's alot cheaper to care for vets at VA.

Congress now appropriates VA medical care funds on an annual basis. Political squabbling has delayed VA funding in 13 of the past 14 years — something that has severely hampered the department’s ability to plan and manage its healthcare system, according to DAV’s talking points.


Veterans’ groups say the change would ensure the agency can better handle the growing number of veterans dependent on it for medical care.

Political squabbling casues delays ? Wow. How does it feel to be part of the problem, rather than the solution ?

Dear President-elect Obama:



On behalf of the eight million veterans represented by the nine national veterans service organizations in The Partnership for Veterans Health Care Budget Reform, we are writing to urge you to recommend passage of advance appropriations legislation for the FY 2010 appropriations cycle in your first budget request and legislative program. We were pleased to read recent news accounts reporting Veterans Affairs Secretary-designee Eric Shinseki’s support for the advance appropriations proposal. The inclusion of this proposal in your first budget submission would send a strong signal to the leadership of the 111th Congress and the veterans’ community of your firm commitment to change the funding process for veterans’ health care.


Notwithstanding the recent achievements of the 110th Congress for veterans, VA has received its annual funding for health care programs late in 19 of the last 22 years. Over the past seven years, VA received its final budget an average of three months after the start of the new fiscal year.

January 9, 2009 Partnership Letter to Obama

Here is a great letter asking for what ? WHAT THEY GOT. An on time budget, with more funds than they asked for, the first time in YEARS.

The only thing they didn't get was ALL VETS access to the VA. That's what your nine largest vets groups want.

Along with The Partnership , the legislation has also been endorsed by The Military Coalition, comprised of 35 organizations representing more than 5.5 million members of the uniformed services – active duty, National Guard, Reserve, retired, former officers, and their families – and the American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE).

January 9, 2009 Partnership Letter to Obama

You're on the outside on this one Gunny. Your fellow vets want this.

The Disabled American Veterans today applauds the introduction of much-needed legislation that provides sufficient, timely and predictable funding for veterans health care and an unprecedented level of transparency and accountability to the budget process.
"The Veterans Health Care Budget Reform and Transparency Act is all about making government more efficient, transparent and accountable. These are three key elements that President Obama, Congress and veterans all agree are needed in these challenging times," said DAV National Commander Raymond E. Dempsey. "Now, more than ever, it is absolutely imperative for Congress to end the old-style partisan politics of gridlock and reform the budget process to ensure that veterans, particularly sick and disabled veterans, have access to quality and timely health care," he said.

Here is your DAV Commander in favor of this new, sound funding.

Yeah, looks like your Obama fear is blinding you there Gunny. Most of your peers are pleased with his actions on the VA. Of course, they are the ones asking for the coverage of all vets too. So you have some reconcilliation to do there with them.

 

[Peejay]

Explain to us why you are defending a President's who comes up with an dea, implemented or not, to force vets to PAY for their own insurance when they get wounded.

That is a distortion of the idea, for starters, No one, repeat, NO ONE would be FORCED to pay for their care. That is a partisan lie. NO ONE would be denied care or forced to pay. NO ONE. The idea was to bill ONLY those who had existing insurance. If you didn't have insurance, you would not have been forced to pay. NO ONE would have been FORCED to carry insurance. As noted in another thread, some vets feel that if you can afford insurance, you shouldn't be at the VA anyway. That's where the idea came from.

But the idea was DROPPED at the first hint of opposition from vets organizations. That's why i defend the guy. HE LISTENS. Also, he just proposed the largest increase ever for the VA.

Partisan, lying dogs.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

Gunny,
Don't Advertise--
Drop dead. No one on this board needs any guidance from anyone especially someone as vulgar as you.

Pukes who attempt to use other message boards to re-direct traffic to their own DO need guidance. It's netizen 101.

There's no reason why each topic you cover cannot be covered here, in a separate thread.

 

[Indiana Oracle]

I said I was going to do go after Obama and followed up. That is that. I am really hot about what this administration is doing and the veteran's issue did it for me. If that annoys people or violates any rules, so be it.