Keeping guns from criminals - liberals, what is your plan?

[Steven_R]

You're right. There is only one way to skin a cat. Yep

Yet the prevailing thought seems to be that someone somewhere might possibly could maybe eventually possibly do something illegal, so we should make it as difficult as possible for the law abiding get guns in the first place.

 

[Missourian]

That's just incredibly stupid.

Deal with the fucking criminals not everyone else.

Mandatory minimum 15 years in prison for ANY crime (felony) committed while in posession of a firearm. Life if the weapon is stolen.

The gun grabbers don't actually care about criminals using guns.

If they did, this would be the route they would choose.

But instead they would say "Look at all these black people in prison, this isn't fair."

Pretty much the same thing they say today.

The gun grabbers don't trust LEGAL gun owners with guns.

They don't want to own a gun, and they don't want anyone else to own one either.

That's the bottom line.

You're right. There is only one way to skin a cat. Yep

How many ways do you need?

The objective is a skinned cat...right?

You want to reduce gun crime...it's an epidemic...well then the solution is to skin the motherfucking cat, not find 35 unique ways of doing it!

Put these criminals under the jail until just being in jail looks as good as freedom...and if you find a better way down the road, we'll institute that.

 

[TooTall]

Please don't try and use common sense here. "Why don't you move to Socialist Australia" is the response you should expect shortly.

Still a non-answer. Explain how when any kid can get unlimited pot, which is entirely against the law, gun laws are going to prevent criminals from getting guns which are everywhere inside and outside the country.

How many massacres were carried out by attacking people with marijuana?

The gangs in Chicago are killing dozens every week to get their share of the drug trade, be it MJ of other drugs.

 

[ClosedCaption]

You're right. There is only one way to skin a cat. Yep

Yet the prevailing thought seems to be that someone somewhere might possibly could maybe eventually possibly do something illegal, so we should make it as difficult as possible for the law abiding get guns in the first place.

That's just your prevailing thought

 

[ClosedCaption]

The gun grabbers don't actually care about criminals using guns.

If they did, this would be the route they would choose.

But instead they would say "Look at all these black people in prison, this isn't fair."

Pretty much the same thing they say today.

The gun grabbers don't trust LEGAL gun owners with guns.

They don't want to own a gun, and they don't want anyone else to own one either.

That's the bottom line.

You're right. There is only one way to skin a cat. Yep

How many ways do you need?

The objective is a skinned cat...right?

You want to reduce gun crime...it's an epidemic...well then the solution is to skin the motherfucking cat, not find 35 unique ways of doing it!

Put these criminals under the jail until just being in jail looks as good as freedom...and if you find a better way down the road, we'll institute that.

Yes the objective is a skinned cat that doesn't mean that your way is the only way to do it That's where the saying comes from

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

It's already illegal to shoot people. Is one more law going to magically fix this? We'll make it extra-illegal? Maybe we can put people who use guns on Double Secret Probation just to be sure.

I offered a solution on the previous page but everyone is ignoring it.

Your "solution" is only a solution to how to lock more americans up

WTF???

They've ALREADY committed a crime! Nows the chance to crack down on the fact that they committed it with a gun.

 

[TooTall]

Republicans can play with their guns, as Obama is not going to take them away. I never am going to own one, there is no sense in being so awash with guns that the US is one of the most violent nations on Earth.

I would guess that you don't have a 'Gun Free Zone' sign in your front yard, or do you?

 

[ClosedCaption]

I offered a solution on the previous page but everyone is ignoring it.

Your "solution" is only a solution to how to lock more americans up

WTF???

They've ALREADY committed a crime! Nows the chance to crack down on the fact that they committed it with a gun.

mandatory minimums are good then?

I don't agree and I bet you don't either

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Your "solution" is only a solution to how to lock more americans up

WTF???

They've ALREADY committed a crime! Nows the chance to crack down on the fact that they committed it with a gun.

mandatory minimums are good then?

I don't agree and I bet you don't either

3 time offenders yes
Drug convictions no
Crimes committed with guns yes
Child molesters yes
Men who beat women yes
White collar crime no

 

[ClosedCaption]

WTF???

They've ALREADY committed a crime! Nows the chance to crack down on the fact that they committed it with a gun.

mandatory minimums are good then?

I don't agree and I bet you don't either

3 time offenders yes
Drug convictions no
Crimes committed with guns yes
Child molesters yes
Men who beat women yes
White collar crime no

Ugh...I WANT TO agree with this list but I cant.

Mandatory minimums take out the justice system completely kind of cookie cutter approach when life isn't cookie cutter. Child molesters are the worst mofos to walk the earth and a Mandatory on them would be great but the rest....I cant there is too many scenarios for Mandatorys.

 

[rightwinger]

Register all firearms and do a background check at every transactiion

You sell a gun to a criminal or crazy, it is your ass

 

[Bern80]

Register all firearms and do a background check at every transactiion

You sell a gun to a criminal or crazy, it is your ass

So if you sell a car to someone we should come after you if they get a DUI?

 

[Steven_R]

Ideas are dangerous.

Register all books and do a background check at every transaction.

You sell a book to a crazy or a criminal, it is your ass.

 

[Immanuel]

A good first step is registration of all firearms and background checks on ALL gun sales. Even between private parties. This will allow responsible gun owners to continue to own anything they want but will help place responsibility on to people who sell guns to people who shouldn't have them or end up using them for murder/crime.

We can certainly start there.

The problem there is, the state and federal government have a hiant backlog of individuals that need to be added to the systems now. How are they going to manage registering EVERY gun out there? What about those who don't comply? Home searches fgor weapons?

On top of that, what stops a criminal from stealing someone elses guns? Or paying another "blue collar" criminal to obtain the weapons for a fee?

It's a noble and grand idea, but the implications of it dont hold up. There is no way to register ALL guns. My father in law, who hunts religiously, owns several from long before any of these registrations were necessary. He's not alone either. It solves nothing. Mostly because the state/fed cant handle the job they have now, who is going to do the work to administer this grand idea?

It's certainly not an overnight fix and would take some time to see the effectiveness, but if you make the penalty stiff enough by just being found to be in possession of an unregistered gun I think you would convince a lot of people to not take the chance and just register their weapons. If you can highlight that no further restrictions will be placed on gun types, clip size, etc...that responsible gun owners can own then you just may be able to get support from the NRA and those who preach responsible gun ownership.

I realize this quoted post was from several pages back, but you sure seem to put a hell of a lot of undeserved faith in our elected officials. What exactly have these thieves done to earn your trust? I can't believe a thing they say, but you seem willing to give up the essence of your very freedoms to them.

Immie

 

[rightwinger]

Register all firearms and do a background check at every transactiion

You sell a gun to a criminal or crazy, it is your ass

So if you sell a car to someone we should come after you if they get a DUI?

I will be perfectly happy if we get the same level of control over guns as we have over cars

 

[Bern80]

Register all firearms and do a background check at every transactiion

You sell a gun to a criminal or crazy, it is your ass

So if you sell a car to someone we should come after you if they get a DUI?

I will be perfectly happy if we get the same level of control over guns as we have over cars

Ummmm that would be the opposite of what you said. As we in fact don't go after the prior owner when someone behaves negligently with their vehicle

 

[ClosedCaption]

You know its bad when they avoid Even an open ended question: Show me how gun control laws don't work.

They cant, but they are Anti so they have to be Anti- gun control even when they cant explain it

Hey Closed Caption you said this 3 pages ago and no one has answered yet. This is you from the future. You were right!

 

[Vox]

. I ask liberals over and over how exactly you are going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals every time you say you want more gun laws.

disarm the nation and repeal the 2ND Amendment

 

[Bern80]

Making a difference to curb gun violence

That's not very specific. Does a person defending themselves constitute violence? How are you going to tie decreased violence to a law as opposed to other factors?

It doesn't have to be specific. Less bullets going into peoples bodies

Yes it does. As Steven pointed out, current laws against putting bullets into bodies don't seem to be helping. That's already illegal for the most part. As has also been pointed out, cities like New York, Chicago and D.C. have some of the strictest gun laws yet some of the highest rates of gun violence. On the other hand there actually is some research that suggest greater concentrations of guns held by law abiding citizens may result in less gun violence. I can tell you that's at least anecodtally true because there were literally hundreds of guns in the neigborhood I grew up in. No one was ever shot or even shot at in the 30+ years I've been alive.

There is plenty of evidence to support that there is relatively little correlation between stricter gun laws and less gun violence. I would be nice though if people would just use basic common sense. If you're a criminal are you more or less liekly to target someone whom you know isn't allowed to have gun?

 

[Vox]

mandatory minimums are good then?

I don't agree and I bet you don't either

3 time offenders yes
Drug convictions no
Crimes committed with guns yes
Child molesters yes
Men who beat women yes
White collar crime no

Ugh...I WANT TO agree with this list but I cant.

Mandatory minimums take out the justice system completely kind of cookie cutter approach when life isn't cookie cutter. Child molesters are the worst mofos to walk the earth and a Mandatory on them would be great but the rest....I cant there is too many scenarios for Mandatorys.

agree. and I don't agree on mandatory sentencing on sex crimes as well. With the system so derailed that innocent person can be convicted, just because he was not interested, therefore accused of "rape" - nope. no mandatory.