Keeping guns from criminals - liberals, what is your plan?

[kaz]

I answered on the last page. You ignored it. Not my fault.

Seriously? You think this addresses the question?



There are so many problems with your post. I didn't ask for a first step. That it would allow gun owners to "own anything" actually is not true unless you undo a bunch of laws and address carrying them. Having a gun at home's not going to help you when the shooting starts.

Most of all, you addressed legal ownership, not illegal ownership. You didn't address the main question at all.

In particular, address given that drugs are illegal, and yet any parent knows any kid can get as much pot as they want. There are millions of guns in the US, millions more in the world. So don't just say more laws, explain how more laws are going to actually work

Which part of my response didn't you like? Because you certainly didn't respond to anything I actually suggested.

And just like I thought, this is a troll thread started by someone who has ZERO interest in actual discussion.

How naive of me to even think that was possible.

What I don't like about your response was you didn't answer the basic question.

 

[kaz]

Please don't try and use common sense here. "Why don't you move to Socialist Australia" is the response you should expect shortly.

Still a non-answer. Explain how when any kid can get unlimited pot, which is entirely against the law, gun laws are going to prevent criminals from getting guns which are everywhere inside and outside the country.

How many massacres were carried out by attacking people with marijuana?

That has nothing to do with the question.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Still a non-answer. Explain how when any kid can get unlimited pot, which is entirely against the law, gun laws are going to prevent criminals from getting guns which are everywhere inside and outside the country.

How many massacres were carried out by attacking people with marijuana?

That has nothing to do with the question.

No law stops anything 100%. If that is the bar then no laws are needed at all

 

[Bern80]

By....doing nothing. Like I said. You and those awful awful liberals both have something in common. Liberals don't know what to do and you say do nothing.

Again, BULLSHIT.

Rolling back your bullshit anti-gun policies is doing something proactive. It would mean sociopathic killers don't have free reign to slaughter people in confined areas. It would mean home owners can blow asshole thugs to hell when they kick down their door or climb through their windows. It would mean women could walk down the street without fear of rape.

You bed wetters want to do NOTHING, because passing ineffective laws accomplishes NOTHING.

Ahh step 2.

Step 1 for all Conservatives: Be Anti...Anti whatever is happening

Step 2: Get rid of the thing they are Anti about...

Step 3: Swear that something good will come later but don't bother explaining just give promises

Ummm none of those are accurate and in fact more true of you.

YOU are the one who appears to be ANTI gun.

YOU are the one telling us to get rid of guns.

YOU are the on swearing there will be fewer deaths and less violence if we outlaw guns.

 

[Yurt]

Following your lead sweet cheeks

when did you ask me for a suggestion?

oh wait, you didn't liar.

Yes, because this is your first day on this board and we've never met.

cite where you asked me for a suggestion about how to reduce gun violence.

you won't, because you can't, because you never asked for one liar.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Again, BULLSHIT.

Rolling back your bullshit anti-gun policies is doing something proactive. It would mean sociopathic killers don't have free reign to slaughter people in confined areas. It would mean home owners can blow asshole thugs to hell when they kick down their door or climb through their windows. It would mean women could walk down the street without fear of rape.

You bed wetters want to do NOTHING, because passing ineffective laws accomplishes NOTHING.

Ahh step 2.

Step 1 for all Conservatives: Be Anti...Anti whatever is happening

Step 2: Get rid of the thing they are Anti about...

Step 3: Swear that something good will come later but don't bother explaining just give promises

Ummm none of those are accurate and in fact more true of you.

YOU are the one who appears to be ANTI gun.

YOU are the one telling us to get rid of guns.

YOU are the on swearing there will be fewer deaths and less violence if we outlaw guns.

Wrong and you cant find any where I've said otherwise

Wrong and you cant find anywhere I've said otherwise

Wrong and you cant find anywhere I've said otherwise

Stop fighting strawmen

 

[ClosedCaption]

when did you ask me for a suggestion?

oh wait, you didn't liar.

Yes, because this is your first day on this board and we've never met.

cite where you asked me for a suggestion about how to reduce gun violence.

you won't, because you can't, because you never asked for one liar.

Yes because this is your first day here and your opinion on guns have never been expressed

 

[kaz]

How many massacres were carried out by attacking people with marijuana?

That has nothing to do with the question.

No law stops anything 100%. If that is the bar then no laws are needed at all

Strawman, I never asked for 100%, it's a completely made up standard that isn't reasonably read into the question.

 

[Yurt]

A good first step is registration of all firearms and background checks on ALL gun sales. Even between private parties. This will allow responsible gun owners to continue to own anything they want but will help place responsibility on to people who sell guns to people who shouldn't have them or end up using them for murder/crime.

We can certainly start there.

thanks for providing a plan.

however, your plan would not work. how do conduct a background check of a private party selling a gun to a friend? currently crimes and deaths have been committed even when a background check is done. it does help, but is not foolproof.

The private parties could go to a licensed dealer who is authorized to do background checks and pay a small fee for that dealer to authorize the sale and transfer pending a background check

what would registration solve? if i sell my gun to person X, and they use it for a crime, why should i be responsible? a store is not responsible for a dui when someone gets drunk and drives.

It would make it harder to legally purchase a gun if you have a questionable history if you had to register it after getting a background check.

i think that is an unreasonable burden, but it could work, eg, background checks and i can see the courts agreeing as you already have to do that when you buy a gun from an authorized dealer, iirc.

about registration, this would not deter criminals in the slightest.

 

[ClosedCaption]

That has nothing to do with the question.

No law stops anything 100%. If that is the bar then no laws are needed at all

Strawman, I never asked for 100%, it's a completely made up standard that isn't reasonably read into the question.

I know, you just decline to say what you want. Gun control laws work. When that's said repubs will bring up murders in Australia as PROOF gun laws don't work. Like gun control will prevent it All.

So, explain how gun control laws don't work.

 

[Steven_R]

No law stops anything 100%. If that is the bar then no laws are needed at all

Strawman, I never asked for 100%, it's a completely made up standard that isn't reasonably read into the question.

I know, you just decline to say what you want. Gun control laws work. When that's said repubs will bring up murders in Australia as PROOF gun laws don't work. Like gun control will prevent it All.

So, explain how gun control laws don't work.

DC and Chicago have draconian gun laws, effectively banning guns outright. Both of those places are chockful of gun crime that shouldn't exist with those gun laws.

 

[kaz]

No law stops anything 100%. If that is the bar then no laws are needed at all

Strawman, I never asked for 100%, it's a completely made up standard that isn't reasonably read into the question.

I know, you just decline to say what you want. Gun control laws work. When that's said repubs will bring up murders in Australia as PROOF gun laws don't work. Like gun control will prevent it All.

So, explain how gun control laws don't work.

Same strawman, I've never argued eliminating gun laws would prevent all murders, you pulled that out of your ass.

This is the incredibly low bar liberals paint for yourselves. For your own proposals, that you want them to work is sufficient to justify them. For me, you assign that if I'm not going to give you your way, my proposal has to be perfection. It has to work 100% of the time. You've proven nothing but what a vacant intellect you are.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Strawman, I never asked for 100%, it's a completely made up standard that isn't reasonably read into the question.

I know, you just decline to say what you want. Gun control laws work. When that's said repubs will bring up murders in Australia as PROOF gun laws don't work. Like gun control will prevent it All.

So, explain how gun control laws don't work.

DC and Chicago have draconian gun laws, effectively banning guns outright. Both of those places are chockful of gun crime that shouldn't exist with those gun laws.

they blame the gun

and they say

"they get the guns from other places legally or illegally and bring them here"

maybe so

but if that is the case

why doesnt the other place have the same gun problems

 

[Bern80]

Ahh step 2.

Step 1 for all Conservatives: Be Anti...Anti whatever is happening

Step 2: Get rid of the thing they are Anti about...

Step 3: Swear that something good will come later but don't bother explaining just give promises

Ummm none of those are accurate and in fact more true of you.

YOU are the one who appears to be ANTI gun.

YOU are the one telling us to get rid of guns.

YOU are the on swearing there will be fewer deaths and less violence if we outlaw guns.

Wrong and you cant find any where I've said otherwise

Wrong and you cant find anywhere I've said otherwise

Wrong and you cant find anywhere I've said otherwise

Stop fighting strawmen

I'm not. I'm simply stating that which you claim about conservative is actually more indicative of your point of view.

 

[hipeter924]

Republicans can play with their guns, as Obama is not going to take them away. I never am going to own one, there is no sense in being so awash with guns that the US is one of the most violent nations on Earth.

 

[Bern80]

Republicans can play with their guns, as Obama is not going to take them away. I never am going to own one, there is no sense in being so awash with guns that the US is one of the most violent nations on Earth.

Read my earlier post. I was 'awash' in guns around me growing up, yet no one died or was ever hurt by them. The level of violence here or anywhere else has nothing to do with guns.

 

[Steven_R]

Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my guns every have.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Strawman, I never asked for 100%, it's a completely made up standard that isn't reasonably read into the question.

I know, you just decline to say what you want. Gun control laws work. When that's said repubs will bring up murders in Australia as PROOF gun laws don't work. Like gun control will prevent it All.

So, explain how gun control laws don't work.

Same strawman, I've never argued eliminating gun laws would prevent all murders, you pulled that out of your ass.

This is the incredibly low bar liberals paint for yourselves. For your own proposals, that you want them to work is sufficient to justify them. For me, you assign that if I'm not going to give you your way, my proposal has to be perfection. It has to work 100% of the time. You've proven nothing but what a vacant intellect you are.

You know its bad when they avoid Even an open ended question: Show me how gun control laws don't work.

They cant, but they are Anti so they have to be Anti- gun control even when they cant explain it

 

[Steven_R]

DC and Chicago have draconian gun laws, all but outright banning legal gun ownership. Gun violence rates in those two cities is astronomically high. Given the strict guns laws why is there any gun violence in either place?

I mean, considering gun laws are so effective and everything.

 

[ClosedCaption]

DC and Chicago have draconian gun laws, all but outright banning legal gun ownership. Gun violence rates in those two cities is astronomically high. Given the strict guns laws why is there any gun violence in either place?

I mean, considering gun laws are so effective and everything.

See Kaz?

Now are you going to tell me again that I'm the one making up this argument above?