CDZ Karl Marx Was Right?

[Sonny Clark]

Marx warned that in the later stages of capitalism huge corporations would exercise a monopoly on global markets. These corporations, whether in the banking sector, the agricultural and food industries, the arms industries or the communications industries, would use their power, usually by seizing the mechanisms of state, to prevent anyone from challenging their monopoly. They would fix prices to maximize profit. They would, as they [have been doing], push through trade deals such as the TPP and CAFTA to further weaken the nation-state’s ability to impede exploitation by imposing environmental regulations or monitoring working conditions. And in the end these corporate monopolies would obliterate free market competition.

Chris Hedges Karl Marx Was Right - Chris Hedges -Truthdig

Don't get me wrong, I am not supporting Karl Marx and his theories but he clearly had a point on this one. America is run by a tiny group of elite inner-circle moneybags than cannot see beyond their personal interests. This information is not even hidden, so there is no conspiracy in my words. Money wins elections, money makes laws in this country, money decides which Mid Eastern country American glorious military is going to attack next. True democracy is possible when people elect their representatives, not money. What is good for GM is not always good for the country.
In order to reverse the course our political and economic elites should be split once again. I am not sure though it is even possible at this point.

In order to reverse the wealth, power, and influence control of the U.S. government, voters MUST stop playing into the hands of those in control. Voters enable the wealthy, the powerful, and the influential to control legislation and policy. Each election cycle, the wealthy, the powerful, and the influential determine the names that appear on ballots. Then, voters select from that list. But, voters are blind to this process, or either voters just don't give a damn, one or the other.

As long as voters continue to play into the hands of those that control the process, we'll have no better than what we have now. Professional politicians are bought and paid for. Legislation and policy is bought and paid for. But, try to get voters to understand that truism. For some reason beyond my understanding, voters feel obligated to vote for those that the wealthy, the powerful, and the influential have placed on the ballots. And, once they vote, they spend the next two to four years complaining about what's wrong in this country. Voters continue to do the same thing on election days, yet expect a different result.

If you give a crook the keys to the bank and to the bank vault, and the crook robs the bank, who's fault is it that the bank got robbed? Surely you can't blame the crook. If you place a candy bowl where a small child can easily reach it, and tell the child not to eat the candy, but the child gets some candy from the bowl anyhow, who's fault is it that the child got into the candy? Surely you can't blame the small child. By the same token, if voters elect crooks to serve in government, and this country goes to hell in a hand basket, who's fault is it that we face multiple social and economic hardships? Surely you can't blame the crooks serving in government.

Each and every day, especially during campaign season, we hear voters take sides for either Republicans or for Democrats. They blame one side or the other for our many social and economic woes. Yet, we never hear them take the blame themselves for allowing the crooks to be in Washington in the first place. To hear voters talk, professional politicians just waltz into Washington and take a seat. We can live in denial if we wish to, but the cold hard truth is that we, the voters, allow what takes place in politics to happen. We give the crook the keys to the bank and to the bank vault.

Voters often ask, "what are we suppose to do, if not vote for someone on the ballot?" The answer is simply, "write-in a candidate of your choice." Stop playing the game. You can't win the game. The cards are stacked against you before the hand is dealt. Send a very strong message that you're no longer playing their game. We often hear voters use the excuse, or "cop-out", "I'll vote for the lesser of two evil." Or, they'll say, "I'm not going to waste my vote." Think about just how dumb and ignorant those excuses, or "cop-outs", are. In the first place, refer back to who places the names on the ballots. And secondly, if they're on the ballots, they are already bought and paid for. This isn't rocket science folks. It doesn't take an MIT graduate, nor a Philadelphia lawyer to see and understand the game.

The truth is that we've been sold out for many decades now, and we'll continue to be sold out until voters wake up and smell the coffee. Once elected to office, professional politicians exert their will, and not the will of the people. Basically, we give them Carte Blanche to do as they damn well please until the next election. We don't get to vote on the floors of Congress, nor do we sit in the oval office making policy. Forget about all of that Republican and Democrat BS, and start talking real change, and electing pro-America representatives to lead and run this once great nation. In addition, it's silly to bash Liberals, Conservatives, Moderates, Right Wings, and Left Wings. Bash the entire "Washington Brotherhood". They're all crooks, they all sell their votes on the floors of Congress, and they all accept favors and gifts.

Thanks for a profound and well-considered post!

You're welcome. My pleasure for sure. It's the same sermon that I've been preaching for many years now. I hope and pray that it'll take roots one day in the near future.

 

[there4eyeM]

Avarice is the illness.

 

[Votto]

Marx was right because that's how things were when he was alive (1880s). We beat back the plutocrats once but I despair we might not be able to do it again.

They've leveraged the system to their advantage. It's not the plutocrats - human nature is human nature. It's the system in which they have to operate. We The People have chosen not to change it.

Here's what I fear: That we will fail to act and change the system in time, and by the time we have finally had enough, we will overreact. That's also human nature.

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Yes, the aristocracy is always surprised to see the torches and pitchforks at the gate. They never ask themselves if they have went too far until their head is in a noose.

It's not as if the system is not fixable. It's not as if the system can't allow for dynamic growth with better controls. But those who would change it are...

... well, you know. Bought off, within the system.

Bit of a conundrum there, ay?

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If the system can be fixed in theory (as almost any political system), but cannot be fixed in reality this system cannot be fixed at all. As Mac1958 said, it is all in human nature. A good politician will almost certainly turn to corporate interests sooner or later. Otherwise he will be displaced or reached by influential stakeholders. Even if not, it is hard to fight corruption Rambo-style, when you are all alone.

Decentralize power. That way instead of corporate America trying to buy off a hand full of politicians in the federal government, they are faced with the daunting task of buying off politicians in all 50 states! They still will try and succeed on some level, but their success would be limited.

There is no utopia, just better ideas than others.

And really representation is better achieved at the local level anyway. Why should conservative Texas be tortured with a liberal federal government, or a liberal California tortured by a conservative federal government?

 

[there4eyeM]

With modern technology, representatives are unnecessary.

 

[Sonny Clark]

Election and campaign funding need to be addressed, certainly.

I agree. There're a lot of things that need to be addressed. But, at present, the most important issue is how voters vote on election day. The rest can be addressed after we elect pro-America representatives to serve in government. Priority NUMBER ONE is to get voters to stop playing the game, and start thinking about this once great nation and her citizens. If we fail to consider the future, and what we want this country to be, the rest becomes a mute point.

 

[Votto]

With modern technology, representatives are unnecessary.

Wut?

Here is what Madison said about the evils of democracy.

“Wherever the real power in a Government lies, there is the danger of oppression. In our Governments, the real power lies in the majority of the Community, and the invasion of private rights is chiefly to be apprehended, not from the acts of Government contrary to the sense of its constituents, but from acts in which the Government is the mere instrument of the major number of the constituents.”
― James Madison, Letters and Other Writings of James Madison Volume

Make no mistake, the Founders were wary of absolute democracy and for good reason, which is why they created a Republic instead.

There is also the fact that the average voter is clueless. It used to be that Greeks who voted would employ the service of slave labor so they would spend all day studying the issues and voting with knowledge they obtained. Now the slaves are allowed to vote and are merely swayed by the press, educational system, or just blind partisanship.

On top of that, the American public education system is in shambles ranking very low among industrialized nations. Most people don't even know how to think critically.

 

[there4eyeM]

Collective decision making, then?

 

[Mac1958]

Marx was right because that's how things were when he was alive (1880s). We beat back the plutocrats once but I despair we might not be able to do it again.

They've leveraged the system to their advantage. It's not the plutocrats - human nature is human nature. It's the system in which they have to operate. We The People have chosen not to change it.

Here's what I fear: That we will fail to act and change the system in time, and by the time we have finally had enough, we will overreact. That's also human nature.

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What do you mean by overreacting? Going to deep into a planned economy grave?
America doesn't need planned economy. What America needs is fair and evenhanded free market economy with a number of adjustments to the current system. Should business be able to go overseas and expand? Yes. Should it has a right to outsource jobs? Probably. Should business be able to influence political process on behalf of all American citizens? Clearly not.

I'm already seeing signs of overreaction, the clearest being the reaction to and defense of Obama's "you didn't build that" speech. I can't blame those who know nothing about business psychology loving and defending that line, but I remain stunned that an American President would say something so ignorant and naive, so absolutely tone deaf. You didn't build that, you didn't earn that, you cheated to get that, all of it is tied in together.

If those were just words, fine, but they are not. They could, in theory, lead to legislation that overshoots the target.

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[Delta4Embassy]

Marx warned that in the later stages of capitalism huge corporations would exercise a monopoly on global markets. These corporations, whether in the banking sector, the agricultural and food industries, the arms industries or the communications industries, would use their power, usually by seizing the mechanisms of state, to prevent anyone from challenging their monopoly. They would fix prices to maximize profit. They would, as they [have been doing], push through trade deals such as the TPP and CAFTA to further weaken the nation-state’s ability to impede exploitation by imposing environmental regulations or monitoring working conditions. And in the end these corporate monopolies would obliterate free market competition.

Chris Hedges Karl Marx Was Right - Chris Hedges -Truthdig

Don't get me wrong, I am not supporting Karl Marx and his theories but he clearly had a point on this one. America is run by a tiny group of elite inner-circle moneybags than cannot see beyond their personal interests. This information is not even hidden, so there is no conspiracy in my words. Money wins elections, money makes laws in this country, money decides which Mid Eastern country American glorious military is going to attack next. True democracy is possible when people elect their representatives, not money. What is good for GM is not always good for the country.
In order to reverse the course our political and economic elites should be split once again. I am not sure though it is even possible at this point.

Nature of capitalism. For the few to prosper, the majority must suffer.

But what's the alternative? Communist countries fail a lot quicker than capitalist ones. Hybrids seem to do well judging by how the top 10 best countries on this planet are almost all socialist democracies. But I don't see the Constitution being amended any time soon.

 

[there4eyeM]

Capitalism of itself does not imply anything more than the use of capital as a resource to create profit and/or wealth (not synonymous terms). No exploitation of anyone is necessitated. It is not an ideology or religion or political party.
As noted elsewhere, human nature takes ideas and bends them to destructive ends.

 

[Mac1958]

Nature of capitalism. For the few to prosper, the majority must suffer.

That just isn't true at all.

The key is finding an equilibrium between efficient regulation and dynamic growth.

We're nowhere near that right now, but that is the fault of people, not capitalism.

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[Delta4Embassy]

Nature of capitalism. For the few to prosper, the majority must suffer.

That just isn't true at all.

The key is finding an equilibrium between efficient regulation and dynamic growth.

We're nowhere near that right now, but that is the fault of people, not capitalism.

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Either you're ignorant, a liar, or a fool.

"media[3] reported that the top wealthiest 1% possess 40% of the nation’s wealth; the bottom 80% own 7%; similarly, but later, the media reported, the "richest 1 percent in the United States now own more wealth than the bottom 90 percent"."
Wealth inequality in the United States - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Mac1958]

Nature of capitalism. For the few to prosper, the majority must suffer.

That just isn't true at all.

The key is finding an equilibrium between efficient regulation and dynamic growth.

We're nowhere near that right now, but that is the fault of people, not capitalism.

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Either you're ignorant, a liar, or a fool.

"media[3] reported that the top wealthiest 1% possess 40% of the nation’s wealth; the bottom 80% own 7%; similarly, but later, the media reported, the "richest 1 percent in the United States now own more wealth than the bottom 90 percent"."
Wealth inequality in the United States - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

So when I (clearly) wrote "we're nowhere near that right now", that just went right over your head.

Okay, never mind.

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[Votto]

Marx warned that in the later stages of capitalism huge corporations would exercise a monopoly on global markets. These corporations, whether in the banking sector, the agricultural and food industries, the arms industries or the communications industries, would use their power, usually by seizing the mechanisms of state, to prevent anyone from challenging their monopoly. They would fix prices to maximize profit. They would, as they [have been doing], push through trade deals such as the TPP and CAFTA to further weaken the nation-state’s ability to impede exploitation by imposing environmental regulations or monitoring working conditions. And in the end these corporate monopolies would obliterate free market competition.

Chris Hedges Karl Marx Was Right - Chris Hedges -Truthdig

Don't get me wrong, I am not supporting Karl Marx and his theories but he clearly had a point on this one. America is run by a tiny group of elite inner-circle moneybags than cannot see beyond their personal interests. This information is not even hidden, so there is no conspiracy in my words. Money wins elections, money makes laws in this country, money decides which Mid Eastern country American glorious military is going to attack next. True democracy is possible when people elect their representatives, not money. What is good for GM is not always good for the country.
In order to reverse the course our political and economic elites should be split once again. I am not sure though it is even possible at this point.

Nature of capitalism. For the few to prosper, the majority must suffer.

But what's the alternative? Communist countries fail a lot quicker than capitalist ones. Hybrids seem to do well judging by how the top 10 best countries on this planet are almost all socialist democracies. But I don't see the Constitution being amended any time soon.

The corporate structure is a government creation and another form of collectivism. Corporations are akin to a mini government, and those in political office suckle at their tit. Make no mistake, the likes of Obama and Hillary and Jeb would not be a political reality without corporate support.

The only way to fix it is to spread power via decentralization of government.

Centralized power = centralized wealth.

That is why it drives me nuts when Dims start talking about higher income taxes. The wealthy could care less about income, they already have made their money. It is only upstarts who are kept down. So instead of trying to shrink the 1% by making it impossible for anyone to attain that level, they should be expanding opportunity and small business which is the fuel for employment, as they employ 2/3 of the work force every year.

They have it all bass ackwards, but then, the elites like it this way. This way their children will simply take over for them with virtually no competition, hence the Clinton and Bush dynasties.

 

[Josf]

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Don't get me wrong, I am not supporting Karl Marx and his theories but he clearly had a point on this one. America is run by a tiny group of elite inner-circle moneybags than cannot see beyond their personal interests. This information is not even hidden, so there is no conspiracy in my words. Money wins elections, money makes laws in this country, money decides which Mid Eastern country American glorious military is going to attack next. True democracy is possible when people elect their representatives, not money. What is good for GM is not always good for the country.

In order to reverse the course our political and economic elites should be split once again. I am not sure though it is even possible at this point.
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Marx is a good source of information concerning the battle between rule of law and rule by criminals. At the time of Marx and his group of criminal financers rise to power the battle had swing favorably toward rule of law as exemplified by a movement in America against criminal financers.

The Second Bank of the United States was defeated (a fraudulent criminal monopoly - not capitalism - bank) an age of Wild Cat Banking (the real capitalism mixed with divided, local, fraudulent criminal banking efforts all competing for more market share all across America) ensued, and the false Federal criminals thereby had to pay their trump card, which was something they created as a future inevitability; that pogrom called (euphemistically) the Civil War. The Civil War, right in the middle of Marx and his rise to (intellectual) power, pushed (criminally) America back into the Dark Ages.

So the time period just after the end of the Second (criminal) Bank of the United States (1836) up to the Civil War (1861) was the time where the major central bank frauds of the world had a serious problem if they allowed America to continue down a true free market banking path = real capitalism. So that is why Marx was financed, that is why the Civil War had to be ignited, that is why those in the business of criminal central banking fraud had to cooperate with each other despite their criminal ways where each criminal group is working to stab each other criminal group in the back to get the most power the soonest (the most market share, reaching for the ultimate prize which is World Reserve Currency) and all sides in the Civil War would be financed by these criminal elements which thereby transfers all wealth soonest to these criminals from the productive population in the form of "National (War) Debt."

Marx was the obvious (criminal) answer to the emerging power of free markets (true capitalism) as the market forces (individual choices) force the quality (of money) up and the cost (of money) down, which is the direct opposite of Central Banking Fraud World Wide, which is the (criminal) force forcing the quality (of money) down and the cost (of money) up. What was done (Civil War) in America can then be done World Wide, as the falsehoods told by Marx and the so called Communists, would secure Central Banking Fraud, and World Reserve Currency for the foreseeable future, including a criminal central power able to finance all sides to then cause World War.

In order to understand this there are writers who explain this out well enough in the correct timeline including:
1. Josiah Warren
2. Stephen Pearl Andrews
3. Lysander Spooner
4. Benjamin Tucker
5. Carl Marx (confessions of a central banking fraud employee)

Those are people who lived during this crucial time period when Americans almost managed to finance their Liberty with true capitalistic free market banking; but it was not to be, as the entire productive power of America was stolen by the central banking frauds of the day, when they lit the fuse on the so called Civil War. The Civil War was a bomb made in 1787, and if you want to know how that went down then a reading of the so called (false label) Anti-Federalists Papers is one source for that information.

Here is the power behind Marx described by a contemporary writer in the time period:

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First in the importance of its evil influence they considered the money monopoly, which consists of the privilege given by the government to certain individuals, or to individuals holding certain kinds of property, of issuing the circulating medium, a privilege which is now enforced in this country by a national tax of ten per cent., upon all other persons who attempt to furnish a circulating medium, and by State laws making it a criminal offense to issue notes as currency. It is claimed that the holders of this privilege control the rate of interest, the rate of rent of houses and buildings, and the prices of goods, – the first directly, and the second and third indirectly. For, say Proudhon and Warren, if the business of banking were made free to all, more and more persons would enter into it until the competition should become sharp enough to reduce the price of lending money to the labor cost, which statistics show to be less than three-fourths of once per cent. In that case the thousands of people who are now deterred from going into business by the ruinously high rates which they must pay for capital with which to start and carry on business will find their difficulties removed. If they have property which they do not desire to convert into money by sale, a bank will take it as collateral for a loan of a certain proportion of its market value at less than one per cent. discount. If they have no property, but are industrious, honest, and capable, they will generally be able to get their individual notes endorsed by a sufficient number of known and solvent parties; and on such business paper they will be able to get a loan at a bank on similarly favorable terms. Thus interest will fall at a blow. The banks will really not be lending capital at all, but will be doing business on the capital of their customers, the business consisting in an exchange of the known and widely available credits of the banks for the unknown and unavailable, but equality good, credits of the customers and a charge therefor of less than one per cent., not as interest for the use of capital, but as pay for the labor of running the banks. This facility of acquiring capital will give an unheard of impetus to business, and consequently create an unprecedented demand for labor, – a demand which will always be in excess of the supply, directly to the contrary of the present condition of the labor market. Then will be seen an exemplification of the words of Richard Cobden that, when two laborers are after one employer, wages fall, but when two employers are after one laborer, wages rise. Labor will then be in a position to dictate its wages, and will thus secure its natural wage, its entire product. Thus the same blow that strikes interest down will send wages up. But this is not all. Down will go profits also. For merchants, instead of buying at high prices on credit, will borrow money of the banks at less than one per cent., buy at low prices for cash, and correspondingly reduce the prices of their goods to their customers. And with the rest will go house-rent. For no one who can borrow capital at one per cent. with which to build a house of his own will consent to pay rent to a landlord at a higher rate than that. Such is the vast claim made by Proudhon and Warren as to the results of the simple abolition of the money monopoly.
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Benjamin Tucker - State Socialism and Anarchism

State Socialism (so called) is the same as Sate Capitalism (so called) is the same as State Fascism (so called) is the same as FALSE Federalism; where capitalism and rule of law are replaced by fraudulent central banking and rule by criminals financed by those few criminals who command that version of organized crime under the color of law.

It is certainly not capitalism (free markets) on one side and rule of law on the other side; it is Liberty, based upon finding the facts, on one side, versus crime and covering up the facts on the other sides.

The facts, like the facts explaining central banking fraud, are covered up by writers like Marx who are paid to promote central banking fraud as if central banking fraud was inevitable and good for people in general: the concept of free market banking SPUN (by lies) into a criminal version of free market banking which works OPPOSITE to, and in conflict with, the accurate, true, idea of free market banking.

It is the same lies told by Marx that were told by Alexander Hamilton, reaching for the same central power that controls everyone all the time. If no one works effectively in defense of those lies, and those organized criminals who constitute central banking fraud under the color of law, then "we" get what we pay for, "we" get a return on our investments in fianncing the "best" of the "best" liars and criminals.