Just coming in from Fox News. Hillary Seems To Have Fainted/Falling Spell At 9/11 Event.

[Faun]

Politifacts are NOT facts.
For example, they alluded to the statement by Republicans that the 2009 Obama bailout of Chrysler would eventually lead to Jeeps being made in China as a lie. Guess what? Some models are being made in China now. So fuck the liars at that low information website.

WTF?
"Would eventually" cannot be evaluated as fact or false.
Politifact uses categories other than "false".
You cannot defend someone (Trump) who has 53% of their comments rated completely false.

Politifact? Seriously?

PolitiFact Bias: About PolitiFact Bias/FAQ
PolitiFact Bias exists to expose the defective fact checking apparatus at PolitiFact, with special focus on the problems that help show PolitiFact's marked ideological bias.

PFB was started in early 2011 by Jeff D. and Bryan White, independent bloggers who share a sense of outrage that PolitiFact often peddles outrageous slant as objective news.

Riiiight.... because quoting Trump and showing why his statements are false doesn't prove he's lying.

 

[Flopper]

Does that alone prove she has Parkinson's? Of course not. Only a total dumbass would claim it did. It's just one of the pieces in the puzzle. Hillary has had numerous coughing fits. Each one is evidence that she has a serious medical issue.

Something is obviously wrong. And the fact that they didn't rush her to the hospital after she collapsed certainly indicates that this is nothing new. Even if she has a team of doctors travelling with her, they would still need tests to find out what is wrong. Secret Service are obligated to take anyone in their charge to the hospital in the event anything goes wrong. That didn't happen, which broke protocol. Instead, she goes to her daughter's house and drinks some water and is magically cured after nearly hitting the ground. Before she collapsed, her head was so rigid. Not normal for someone fainting.

Here are some thoughts from a former Secret Service agent who understands about protocol.

"I protected First Lady Hillary Clinton, President Bill Clinton, and their family while I served in the Secret Service Uniform Division as an officer from 1991-2003.

By now, you have most likely seen the startling video of Hillary Clinton ‘fainting.’ Through the lens of my 29-year-career in The Service, I can see what a naked-eyed media pundit cannot: There is something seriously wrong with Mrs. Clinton.

Pneumonia or overheating are highly suspect excuses and I’ll explain why.

My analysis is not partisan. I cared for and protected the Clintons for many years. It was my duty to guard Mrs. Clinton in the Secret Service and I was so close to the First Family that the Supreme Court subpoenaed me to testify on the details of Bill Clinton’s late-term scandals.

These are the facts.

Watch Clinton's Secret Service’s detail in the video. Their behavior is extremely professional and very telling. Each agent is to be commended.

At the beginning of the video, Hillary is with a protective detail of Secret Service agents, as well as two female staffers. One staffer stands very close at her back and another is shoulder-to-shoulder and arm-in-arm with Mrs. Clinton to give her balance and prop her up.

Mrs. Clinton leans against a "ballard," the metal columns we use to stop incoming 5-ton vehicles, and "bicycle racks" (our nickname for the portable metal fences) to restrict pedestrian access to an area.

As the van pulls up, she has a rigid wavering posture. She awkwardly leans on the ballard and stares straight ahead with her neck craned and extended up as her body is supported at the side and rear by her staffers.

One agent gets the door, but no one moves to enter. The Secret Service doesn’t like to wait—standing still in the eyes of the Service is waiting for an attack to happen. But the staffer can’t move Mrs. Clinton. Anything that holds up a motorcade is extremely dangerous and anything that ties up a Secret Service agent’s hands from drawing their pistol or intervening a threat is a hazard.

The female agent at the front of the van is scanning. She sees Mrs. Clinton odd behavior as well. The female agent begins backing up to the entrance of the van to shield both sight and anyone approaching—as is procedure. She keys her mic signaling that the van is about to move. The agent is to be commended for maintaining her blank expression.

The agent who opened the door moves to take the place of the staffer and take Mrs. Clinton’s arm, but as they switch control, she nearly falls completely. The bald agent, who I believe is the shift leader, knows what is going on with Mrs. Clinton and - this oddity is very telling - crosses between her and her exit (the van door).

As Mrs. Clinton jerks back and forth and her legs fold, the bald agent takes her right arm. The staffer also tries to also grab underneath Mrs. Clinton’s armpits to lift Mrs. Clinton.

Close examination of Mrs. Clinton’s legs reveal her feet and legs have extended and are not holding her weight at all. The toes of her right foot drag and skid on the pavement. As they lift and push her forward, her legs don’t keep up and she falls forward again, yet they can’t lift her too high as to risk smacking her head. Any Officer or protection agent knows the risk of that.

That is when all the other agents, especially this young jet-black haired one, convene to shield her from view completely. We call this "collapsing on" the protectee. They left in such a hurry to get her from the public view that her shoe—which she could not retain—was left behind.

After 9/11, Dick Cheney spoke of how his security detail, when moving him to a secure area, lifted him by his Secret Service issued un-snap-able belt, which is used to lift and move a protectee to where they wanted the person to go.

Hillary Clinton was not wearing this standard issue belt.

So what did we hear after? At first it was that she overheated and dehydrated. Now it’s pneumonia. Before, videos of her similar spastic bizarre movement were blamed on allergies and other excuses. Clearly, the totality of her prior blood clots and deep vein thrombosis, along with her concussion and related broken elbow, tell a different story.

Here’s what was very disturbing to me: after the medical episode, she went to her daughter’s apartment and not to an Emergency Room. Secret Service procedure for each detail dictates that everyone knows which hospital to go to depending on the event - heart failure, gunshot, you name it. It is very revealing that, whatever is wrong with her, she is being treated by her own private medical specialists in secret and, judging by the ballet-like reaction by her detail, they have dealt with this before.

Her detail knew that there was something very wrong with her and they were prepared.

When I protected her, I witnessed her irate behavior and, frankly, I don’t think anyone can operate with such uncontrollable fits of anger and not have it take a toll on a person’s health—I think that’s exactly what has resulted. I can’t help but feel sorry for her detail, because I know from personal experience that they will bear the burden for as long as their mental and physical resilience will tolerate. I bet that night they got berated for letting this "leak," but it has nothing to do with their performance and everything to do with her character.

When I worked at the White House, a man exhibited the same exact behavior as he froze inside a medical detector. On his full time nurse’s request, I held him under the armpits and stood by him until his seizure passed. He was an average American and, while it was embarrassing for him in front of all those people, I was employed to protect and serve. All he had to do was be straight with me and all was well. I expect Hillary to do the same and I expect my media to do like I did, ask what’s going on so we know how to respond.

She’s putting herself, her party, and her Secret Service detail at risk. Her health is directly tied to the health of our country and we deserve treatment."



http://ijr.com/opinion/2016/09/260018-protected-hillary-clinton-secret-service-heres-noticed-fainting-video/

A Secret Service agent is not qualified to diagnosis any medical condition. Accepting that as medical evidence over an examination by a qualified MD supported by medical tests and a CT Scan is a bit ridiculous.

The fact that after resting and being treated for dehydration, she was able to walk out the door of the apartment is in keeping with her doctor's diagnosis, pneumonia and overheating. A low grade fever, upper repository congestion, fatigue, and a CT Scan showing a small right middle-lobe pneumonia makes the diagnosis pretty definite. Her doctor examined her several times after the event and reports she is improving.
http://documents.latimes.com/read-letter-hillary-clintons-doctor/

Hmmm, no, that's bullshit. You don't recover from either heat exhaustion or pneumonia in 90 minutes. When did she get a CT scan? If she got one, then let her produce it. her doctor is a paid flunky. She's the women we see in the 9/11 videos telling hillary to squeeze her hand. That's a test for neurological issues, not pneumonia. Why was Hillary even at the ceremony if she knew she had pneumonia? Why was her doctor there? There are a million things about the whole affair that don't make sense is Hillary is not lying.

There is no reason for her to produce a CT scan. Trumpets will just say it's a fake. She's already release a letter from her doctor with the CT Scan results and other test results, a lot more than Trump has produced.

http://documents.latimes.com/read-letter-hillary-clintons-doctor/

Sure there is. She claims she was diagnosed with pneumonia, then let's see the proof. At this point we can assume everything she says is a lie. The same goes for her doctor.

She gave you proof of the diagnosis. She gave you the a letter from her doctor who did the diagnosis. So you're saying you don't believe the doctor? If that's the case, why would you believe a CT Scan?

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/07/31/us/politics/hillary-clinton-doctor-letter.html

 

[JoeMoma]

Something is obviously wrong. And the fact that they didn't rush her to the hospital after she collapsed certainly indicates that this is nothing new. Even if she has a team of doctors travelling with her, they would still need tests to find out what is wrong. Secret Service are obligated to take anyone in their charge to the hospital in the event anything goes wrong. That didn't happen, which broke protocol. Instead, she goes to her daughter's house and drinks some water and is magically cured after nearly hitting the ground. Before she collapsed, her head was so rigid. Not normal for someone fainting.

Here are some thoughts from a former Secret Service agent who understands about protocol.

"I protected First Lady Hillary Clinton, President Bill Clinton, and their family while I served in the Secret Service Uniform Division as an officer from 1991-2003.

By now, you have most likely seen the startling video of Hillary Clinton ‘fainting.’ Through the lens of my 29-year-career in The Service, I can see what a naked-eyed media pundit cannot: There is something seriously wrong with Mrs. Clinton.

Pneumonia or overheating are highly suspect excuses and I’ll explain why.

My analysis is not partisan. I cared for and protected the Clintons for many years. It was my duty to guard Mrs. Clinton in the Secret Service and I was so close to the First Family that the Supreme Court subpoenaed me to testify on the details of Bill Clinton’s late-term scandals.

These are the facts.

Watch Clinton's Secret Service’s detail in the video. Their behavior is extremely professional and very telling. Each agent is to be commended.

At the beginning of the video, Hillary is with a protective detail of Secret Service agents, as well as two female staffers. One staffer stands very close at her back and another is shoulder-to-shoulder and arm-in-arm with Mrs. Clinton to give her balance and prop her up.

Mrs. Clinton leans against a "ballard," the metal columns we use to stop incoming 5-ton vehicles, and "bicycle racks" (our nickname for the portable metal fences) to restrict pedestrian access to an area.

As the van pulls up, she has a rigid wavering posture. She awkwardly leans on the ballard and stares straight ahead with her neck craned and extended up as her body is supported at the side and rear by her staffers.

One agent gets the door, but no one moves to enter. The Secret Service doesn’t like to wait—standing still in the eyes of the Service is waiting for an attack to happen. But the staffer can’t move Mrs. Clinton. Anything that holds up a motorcade is extremely dangerous and anything that ties up a Secret Service agent’s hands from drawing their pistol or intervening a threat is a hazard.

The female agent at the front of the van is scanning. She sees Mrs. Clinton odd behavior as well. The female agent begins backing up to the entrance of the van to shield both sight and anyone approaching—as is procedure. She keys her mic signaling that the van is about to move. The agent is to be commended for maintaining her blank expression.

The agent who opened the door moves to take the place of the staffer and take Mrs. Clinton’s arm, but as they switch control, she nearly falls completely. The bald agent, who I believe is the shift leader, knows what is going on with Mrs. Clinton and - this oddity is very telling - crosses between her and her exit (the van door).

As Mrs. Clinton jerks back and forth and her legs fold, the bald agent takes her right arm. The staffer also tries to also grab underneath Mrs. Clinton’s armpits to lift Mrs. Clinton.

Close examination of Mrs. Clinton’s legs reveal her feet and legs have extended and are not holding her weight at all. The toes of her right foot drag and skid on the pavement. As they lift and push her forward, her legs don’t keep up and she falls forward again, yet they can’t lift her too high as to risk smacking her head. Any Officer or protection agent knows the risk of that.

That is when all the other agents, especially this young jet-black haired one, convene to shield her from view completely. We call this "collapsing on" the protectee. They left in such a hurry to get her from the public view that her shoe—which she could not retain—was left behind.

After 9/11, Dick Cheney spoke of how his security detail, when moving him to a secure area, lifted him by his Secret Service issued un-snap-able belt, which is used to lift and move a protectee to where they wanted the person to go.

Hillary Clinton was not wearing this standard issue belt.

So what did we hear after? At first it was that she overheated and dehydrated. Now it’s pneumonia. Before, videos of her similar spastic bizarre movement were blamed on allergies and other excuses. Clearly, the totality of her prior blood clots and deep vein thrombosis, along with her concussion and related broken elbow, tell a different story.

Here’s what was very disturbing to me: after the medical episode, she went to her daughter’s apartment and not to an Emergency Room. Secret Service procedure for each detail dictates that everyone knows which hospital to go to depending on the event - heart failure, gunshot, you name it. It is very revealing that, whatever is wrong with her, she is being treated by her own private medical specialists in secret and, judging by the ballet-like reaction by her detail, they have dealt with this before.

Her detail knew that there was something very wrong with her and they were prepared.

When I protected her, I witnessed her irate behavior and, frankly, I don’t think anyone can operate with such uncontrollable fits of anger and not have it take a toll on a person’s health—I think that’s exactly what has resulted. I can’t help but feel sorry for her detail, because I know from personal experience that they will bear the burden for as long as their mental and physical resilience will tolerate. I bet that night they got berated for letting this "leak," but it has nothing to do with their performance and everything to do with her character.

When I worked at the White House, a man exhibited the same exact behavior as he froze inside a medical detector. On his full time nurse’s request, I held him under the armpits and stood by him until his seizure passed. He was an average American and, while it was embarrassing for him in front of all those people, I was employed to protect and serve. All he had to do was be straight with me and all was well. I expect Hillary to do the same and I expect my media to do like I did, ask what’s going on so we know how to respond.

She’s putting herself, her party, and her Secret Service detail at risk. Her health is directly tied to the health of our country and we deserve treatment."



http://ijr.com/opinion/2016/09/260018-protected-hillary-clinton-secret-service-heres-noticed-fainting-video/

A Secret Service agent is not qualified to diagnosis any medical condition. Accepting that as medical evidence over an examination by a qualified MD supported by medical tests and a CT Scan is a bit ridiculous.

The fact that after resting and being treated for dehydration, she was able to walk out the door of the apartment is in keeping with her doctor's diagnosis, pneumonia and overheating. A low grade fever, upper repository congestion, fatigue, and a CT Scan showing a small right middle-lobe pneumonia makes the diagnosis pretty definite. Her doctor examined her several times after the event and reports she is improving.
http://documents.latimes.com/read-letter-hillary-clintons-doctor/

Hmmm, no, that's bullshit. You don't recover from either heat exhaustion or pneumonia in 90 minutes. When did she get a CT scan? If she got one, then let her produce it. her doctor is a paid flunky. She's the women we see in the 9/11 videos telling hillary to squeeze her hand. That's a test for neurological issues, not pneumonia. Why was Hillary even at the ceremony if she knew she had pneumonia? Why was her doctor there? There are a million things about the whole affair that don't make sense is Hillary is not lying.

There is no reason for her to produce a CT scan. Trumpets will just say it's a fake. She's already release a letter from her doctor with the CT Scan results and other test results, a lot more than Trump has produced.

http://documents.latimes.com/read-letter-hillary-clintons-doctor/

Sure there is. She claims she was diagnosed with pneumonia, then let's see the proof. At this point we can assume everything she says is a lie. The same goes for her doctor.

She gave you proof of the diagnosis. She gave you the a letter from her doctor who did the diagnosis. So you're saying you don't believe the doctor? If that's the case, why would you believe a CT Scan?

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/07/31/us/politics/hillary-clinton-doctor-letter.html

Good point! Why should anyone believe anything coming from Hillary and her campaign?

 

[Dot Com]

There is no reason for her to produce a CT scan. Trumpets will just say it's a fake. She's already release a letter from her doctor with the CT Scan results and other test results, a lot more than Trump has produced.

http://documents.latimes.com/read-letter-hillary-clintons-doctor/

The same doctor who said it was allergies then heat exhaustion? THAT doctor?

 

[PK1]

A Secret Service agent is not qualified to diagnosis any medical condition. Accepting that as medical evidence over an examination by a qualified MD supported by medical tests and a CT Scan is a bit ridiculous.

The fact that after resting and being treated for dehydration, she was able to walk out the door of the apartment is in keeping with her doctor's diagnosis, pneumonia and overheating. A low grade fever, upper repository congestion, fatigue, and a CT Scan showing a small right middle-lobe pneumonia makes the diagnosis pretty definite. Her doctor examined her several times after the event and reports she is improving.
http://documents.latimes.com/read-letter-hillary-clintons-doctor/

Hmmm, no, that's bullshit. You don't recover from either heat exhaustion or pneumonia in 90 minutes. When did she get a CT scan? If she got one, then let her produce it. her doctor is a paid flunky. She's the women we see in the 9/11 videos telling hillary to squeeze her hand. That's a test for neurological issues, not pneumonia. Why was Hillary even at the ceremony if she knew she had pneumonia? Why was her doctor there? There are a million things about the whole affair that don't make sense is Hillary is not lying.

There is no reason for her to produce a CT scan. Trumpets will just say it's a fake. She's already release a letter from her doctor with the CT Scan results and other test results, a lot more than Trump has produced.
http://documents.latimes.com/read-letter-hillary-clintons-doctor/

Sure there is. She claims she was diagnosed with pneumonia, then let's see the proof. At this point we can assume everything she says is a lie. The same goes for her doctor.

She gave you proof of the diagnosis. She gave you the a letter from her doctor who did the diagnosis. So you're saying you don't believe the doctor? If that's the case, why would you believe a CT Scan?
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/07/31/us/politics/hillary-clinton-doctor-letter.html

Good point! Why should anyone believe anything coming from Hillary and her campaign?

Good point. And why should anyone believe anything coming from Donald and his campaign?

 

[JoeMoma]

Hmmm, no, that's bullshit. You don't recover from either heat exhaustion or pneumonia in 90 minutes. When did she get a CT scan? If she got one, then let her produce it. her doctor is a paid flunky. She's the women we see in the 9/11 videos telling hillary to squeeze her hand. That's a test for neurological issues, not pneumonia. Why was Hillary even at the ceremony if she knew she had pneumonia? Why was her doctor there? There are a million things about the whole affair that don't make sense is Hillary is not lying.

There is no reason for her to produce a CT scan. Trumpets will just say it's a fake. She's already release a letter from her doctor with the CT Scan results and other test results, a lot more than Trump has produced.
http://documents.latimes.com/read-letter-hillary-clintons-doctor/

Sure there is. She claims she was diagnosed with pneumonia, then let's see the proof. At this point we can assume everything she says is a lie. The same goes for her doctor.

She gave you proof of the diagnosis. She gave you the a letter from her doctor who did the diagnosis. So you're saying you don't believe the doctor? If that's the case, why would you believe a CT Scan?
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/07/31/us/politics/hillary-clinton-doctor-letter.html

Good point! Why should anyone believe anything coming from Hillary and her campaign?

Good point. And why should anyone believe anything coming from Donald and his campaign?

I'm in the camp that believes neither.

 

[Norman]

There is no reason for her to produce a CT scan. Trumpets will just say it's a fake. She's already release a letter from her doctor with the CT Scan results and other test results, a lot more than Trump has produced.

http://documents.latimes.com/read-letter-hillary-clintons-doctor/

The same doctor who said it was allergies then heat exhaustion? THAT doctor?

Funny how they don't believe Trump's personal doctor, but apparently Hillary's doctor is trustworthy

So is Trump's health better than any president's in history or is Hillary's story bullshit?

 

[Snouter]

The letter Crooked Hillary's doctor provided has several obvious lies, she apparently didn't know about the viral video.

 

[Flopper]

There is no reason for her to produce a CT scan. Trumpets will just say it's a fake. She's already release a letter from her doctor with the CT Scan results and other test results, a lot more than Trump has produced.

http://documents.latimes.com/read-letter-hillary-clintons-doctor/

The same doctor who said it was allergies then heat exhaustion? THAT doctor?

No, the doctor who has been treating her for allergies for the last year, who diagnosed pneumonia from a CT Scan, low grade fervor, fatigue, and chest congestion on Friday Sept. 7th. and examined her after the episode on Sunday Sept 9th and said she was overheated and dehydrated. It is not surprising that anyone with pneumonia after standing in the hot sun for over an hour wearing a suit would not become overheated. Do you have a problem with reading compression?

 

[Dot Com]

There is no reason for her to produce a CT scan. Trumpets will just say it's a fake. She's already release a letter from her doctor with the CT Scan results and other test results, a lot more than Trump has produced.

http://documents.latimes.com/read-letter-hillary-clintons-doctor/

The same doctor who said it was allergies then heat exhaustion? THAT doctor?

No, the doctor who has been treating her for allergies for the last year, who diagnosed pneumonia from a CT Scan, low grade fervor, fatigue, and chest congestion on Friday Sept. 7th. and examined her after the episode on Sunday Sept 9th and said she was overheated and dehydrated. It is not surprising that anyone with pneumonia after standing in the hot sun for over an hour wearing a suit would not become overheated. Do you have a problem with reading compression?

ummm..... it wasn't even 80 degrees

 

[Dot Com]

Funny how they don't believe Trump's personal doctor, but apparently Hillary's doctor is trustworthy

So is Trump's health better than any president's in history or is Hillary's story bullshit?

I know right?

 

[Flopper]

There is no reason for her to produce a CT scan. Trumpets will just say it's a fake. She's already release a letter from her doctor with the CT Scan results and other test results, a lot more than Trump has produced.

http://documents.latimes.com/read-letter-hillary-clintons-doctor/

The same doctor who said it was allergies then heat exhaustion? THAT doctor?

No, the doctor who has been treating her for allergies for the last year, who diagnosed pneumonia from a CT Scan, low grade fervor, fatigue, and chest congestion on Friday Sept. 7th. and examined her after the episode on Sunday Sept 9th and said she was overheated and dehydrated. It is not surprising that anyone with pneumonia after standing in the hot sun for over an hour wearing a suit would not become overheated. Do you have a problem with reading compression?

ummm..... it wasn't even 80 degrees

According to whether.com it was 82 at the site. This is the temperature in the shade. In the sun, temperatures are going to be higher and if you were wearing a suit as Clinton was, standing in the sun for an hour with pneumonia and a probable low grade fever, becoming overheated is quite likely.

 

[ChrisL]

There is no reason for her to produce a CT scan. Trumpets will just say it's a fake. She's already release a letter from her doctor with the CT Scan results and other test results, a lot more than Trump has produced.

http://documents.latimes.com/read-letter-hillary-clintons-doctor/

The same doctor who said it was allergies then heat exhaustion? THAT doctor?

No, the doctor who has been treating her for allergies for the last year, who diagnosed pneumonia from a CT Scan, low grade fervor, fatigue, and chest congestion on Friday Sept. 7th. and examined her after the episode on Sunday Sept 9th and said she was overheated and dehydrated. It is not surprising that anyone with pneumonia after standing in the hot sun for over an hour wearing a suit would not become overheated. Do you have a problem with reading compression?

ummm..... it wasn't even 80 degrees

According to whether.com it was 82 at the site. This is the temperature in the shade. In the sun, temperatures are going to be higher and if you were wearing a suit as Clinton was, standing in the sun for an hour with pneumonia and a probable low grade fever, becoming overheated is quite likely.

And what about all the other times? Lol. Excuses, excuses.

 

[Faun]

Something is obviously wrong. And the fact that they didn't rush her to the hospital after she collapsed certainly indicates that this is nothing new. Even if she has a team of doctors travelling with her, they would still need tests to find out what is wrong. Secret Service are obligated to take anyone in their charge to the hospital in the event anything goes wrong. That didn't happen, which broke protocol. Instead, she goes to her daughter's house and drinks some water and is magically cured after nearly hitting the ground. Before she collapsed, her head was so rigid. Not normal for someone fainting.

Here are some thoughts from a former Secret Service agent who understands about protocol.

"I protected First Lady Hillary Clinton, President Bill Clinton, and their family while I served in the Secret Service Uniform Division as an officer from 1991-2003.

By now, you have most likely seen the startling video of Hillary Clinton ‘fainting.’ Through the lens of my 29-year-career in The Service, I can see what a naked-eyed media pundit cannot: There is something seriously wrong with Mrs. Clinton.

Pneumonia or overheating are highly suspect excuses and I’ll explain why.

My analysis is not partisan. I cared for and protected the Clintons for many years. It was my duty to guard Mrs. Clinton in the Secret Service and I was so close to the First Family that the Supreme Court subpoenaed me to testify on the details of Bill Clinton’s late-term scandals.

These are the facts.

Watch Clinton's Secret Service’s detail in the video. Their behavior is extremely professional and very telling. Each agent is to be commended.

At the beginning of the video, Hillary is with a protective detail of Secret Service agents, as well as two female staffers. One staffer stands very close at her back and another is shoulder-to-shoulder and arm-in-arm with Mrs. Clinton to give her balance and prop her up.

Mrs. Clinton leans against a "ballard," the metal columns we use to stop incoming 5-ton vehicles, and "bicycle racks" (our nickname for the portable metal fences) to restrict pedestrian access to an area.

As the van pulls up, she has a rigid wavering posture. She awkwardly leans on the ballard and stares straight ahead with her neck craned and extended up as her body is supported at the side and rear by her staffers.

One agent gets the door, but no one moves to enter. The Secret Service doesn’t like to wait—standing still in the eyes of the Service is waiting for an attack to happen. But the staffer can’t move Mrs. Clinton. Anything that holds up a motorcade is extremely dangerous and anything that ties up a Secret Service agent’s hands from drawing their pistol or intervening a threat is a hazard.

The female agent at the front of the van is scanning. She sees Mrs. Clinton odd behavior as well. The female agent begins backing up to the entrance of the van to shield both sight and anyone approaching—as is procedure. She keys her mic signaling that the van is about to move. The agent is to be commended for maintaining her blank expression.

The agent who opened the door moves to take the place of the staffer and take Mrs. Clinton’s arm, but as they switch control, she nearly falls completely. The bald agent, who I believe is the shift leader, knows what is going on with Mrs. Clinton and - this oddity is very telling - crosses between her and her exit (the van door).

As Mrs. Clinton jerks back and forth and her legs fold, the bald agent takes her right arm. The staffer also tries to also grab underneath Mrs. Clinton’s armpits to lift Mrs. Clinton.

Close examination of Mrs. Clinton’s legs reveal her feet and legs have extended and are not holding her weight at all. The toes of her right foot drag and skid on the pavement. As they lift and push her forward, her legs don’t keep up and she falls forward again, yet they can’t lift her too high as to risk smacking her head. Any Officer or protection agent knows the risk of that.

That is when all the other agents, especially this young jet-black haired one, convene to shield her from view completely. We call this "collapsing on" the protectee. They left in such a hurry to get her from the public view that her shoe—which she could not retain—was left behind.

After 9/11, Dick Cheney spoke of how his security detail, when moving him to a secure area, lifted him by his Secret Service issued un-snap-able belt, which is used to lift and move a protectee to where they wanted the person to go.

Hillary Clinton was not wearing this standard issue belt.

So what did we hear after? At first it was that she overheated and dehydrated. Now it’s pneumonia. Before, videos of her similar spastic bizarre movement were blamed on allergies and other excuses. Clearly, the totality of her prior blood clots and deep vein thrombosis, along with her concussion and related broken elbow, tell a different story.

Here’s what was very disturbing to me: after the medical episode, she went to her daughter’s apartment and not to an Emergency Room. Secret Service procedure for each detail dictates that everyone knows which hospital to go to depending on the event - heart failure, gunshot, you name it. It is very revealing that, whatever is wrong with her, she is being treated by her own private medical specialists in secret and, judging by the ballet-like reaction by her detail, they have dealt with this before.

Her detail knew that there was something very wrong with her and they were prepared.

When I protected her, I witnessed her irate behavior and, frankly, I don’t think anyone can operate with such uncontrollable fits of anger and not have it take a toll on a person’s health—I think that’s exactly what has resulted. I can’t help but feel sorry for her detail, because I know from personal experience that they will bear the burden for as long as their mental and physical resilience will tolerate. I bet that night they got berated for letting this "leak," but it has nothing to do with their performance and everything to do with her character.

When I worked at the White House, a man exhibited the same exact behavior as he froze inside a medical detector. On his full time nurse’s request, I held him under the armpits and stood by him until his seizure passed. He was an average American and, while it was embarrassing for him in front of all those people, I was employed to protect and serve. All he had to do was be straight with me and all was well. I expect Hillary to do the same and I expect my media to do like I did, ask what’s going on so we know how to respond.

She’s putting herself, her party, and her Secret Service detail at risk. Her health is directly tied to the health of our country and we deserve treatment."



http://ijr.com/opinion/2016/09/260018-protected-hillary-clinton-secret-service-heres-noticed-fainting-video/

A Secret Service agent is not qualified to diagnosis any medical condition. Accepting that as medical evidence over an examination by a qualified MD supported by medical tests and a CT Scan is a bit ridiculous.

The fact that after resting and being treated for dehydration, she was able to walk out the door of the apartment is in keeping with her doctor's diagnosis, pneumonia and overheating. A low grade fever, upper repository congestion, fatigue, and a CT Scan showing a small right middle-lobe pneumonia makes the diagnosis pretty definite. Her doctor examined her several times after the event and reports she is improving.
http://documents.latimes.com/read-letter-hillary-clintons-doctor/

Hmmm, no, that's bullshit. You don't recover from either heat exhaustion or pneumonia in 90 minutes. When did she get a CT scan? If she got one, then let her produce it. her doctor is a paid flunky. She's the women we see in the 9/11 videos telling hillary to squeeze her hand. That's a test for neurological issues, not pneumonia. Why was Hillary even at the ceremony if she knew she had pneumonia? Why was her doctor there? There are a million things about the whole affair that don't make sense is Hillary is not lying.

There is no reason for her to produce a CT scan. Trumpets will just say it's a fake. She's already release a letter from her doctor with the CT Scan results and other test results, a lot more than Trump has produced.

http://documents.latimes.com/read-letter-hillary-clintons-doctor/

Sure there is. She claims she was diagnosed with pneumonia, then let's see the proof. At this point we can assume everything she says is a lie. The same goes for her doctor.

She gave you proof of the diagnosis. She gave you the a letter from her doctor who did the diagnosis. So you're saying you don't believe the doctor? If that's the case, why would you believe a CT Scan?

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/07/31/us/politics/hillary-clinton-doctor-letter.html

That's why he's like a birther. He doesn't believe any documentation, yet he insists she needs to pump out more.

 

[bripat9643]

Does that alone prove she has Parkinson's? Of course not. Only a total dumbass would claim it did. It's just one of the pieces in the puzzle. Hillary has had numerous coughing fits. Each one is evidence that she has a serious medical issue.

Something is obviously wrong. And the fact that they didn't rush her to the hospital after she collapsed certainly indicates that this is nothing new. Even if she has a team of doctors travelling with her, they would still need tests to find out what is wrong. Secret Service are obligated to take anyone in their charge to the hospital in the event anything goes wrong. That didn't happen, which broke protocol. Instead, she goes to her daughter's house and drinks some water and is magically cured after nearly hitting the ground. Before she collapsed, her head was so rigid. Not normal for someone fainting.

Here are some thoughts from a former Secret Service agent who understands about protocol.

"I protected First Lady Hillary Clinton, President Bill Clinton, and their family while I served in the Secret Service Uniform Division as an officer from 1991-2003.

By now, you have most likely seen the startling video of Hillary Clinton ‘fainting.’ Through the lens of my 29-year-career in The Service, I can see what a naked-eyed media pundit cannot: There is something seriously wrong with Mrs. Clinton.

Pneumonia or overheating are highly suspect excuses and I’ll explain why.

My analysis is not partisan. I cared for and protected the Clintons for many years. It was my duty to guard Mrs. Clinton in the Secret Service and I was so close to the First Family that the Supreme Court subpoenaed me to testify on the details of Bill Clinton’s late-term scandals.

These are the facts.

Watch Clinton's Secret Service’s detail in the video. Their behavior is extremely professional and very telling. Each agent is to be commended.

At the beginning of the video, Hillary is with a protective detail of Secret Service agents, as well as two female staffers. One staffer stands very close at her back and another is shoulder-to-shoulder and arm-in-arm with Mrs. Clinton to give her balance and prop her up.

Mrs. Clinton leans against a "ballard," the metal columns we use to stop incoming 5-ton vehicles, and "bicycle racks" (our nickname for the portable metal fences) to restrict pedestrian access to an area.

As the van pulls up, she has a rigid wavering posture. She awkwardly leans on the ballard and stares straight ahead with her neck craned and extended up as her body is supported at the side and rear by her staffers.

One agent gets the door, but no one moves to enter. The Secret Service doesn’t like to wait—standing still in the eyes of the Service is waiting for an attack to happen. But the staffer can’t move Mrs. Clinton. Anything that holds up a motorcade is extremely dangerous and anything that ties up a Secret Service agent’s hands from drawing their pistol or intervening a threat is a hazard.

The female agent at the front of the van is scanning. She sees Mrs. Clinton odd behavior as well. The female agent begins backing up to the entrance of the van to shield both sight and anyone approaching—as is procedure. She keys her mic signaling that the van is about to move. The agent is to be commended for maintaining her blank expression.

The agent who opened the door moves to take the place of the staffer and take Mrs. Clinton’s arm, but as they switch control, she nearly falls completely. The bald agent, who I believe is the shift leader, knows what is going on with Mrs. Clinton and - this oddity is very telling - crosses between her and her exit (the van door).

As Mrs. Clinton jerks back and forth and her legs fold, the bald agent takes her right arm. The staffer also tries to also grab underneath Mrs. Clinton’s armpits to lift Mrs. Clinton.

Close examination of Mrs. Clinton’s legs reveal her feet and legs have extended and are not holding her weight at all. The toes of her right foot drag and skid on the pavement. As they lift and push her forward, her legs don’t keep up and she falls forward again, yet they can’t lift her too high as to risk smacking her head. Any Officer or protection agent knows the risk of that.

That is when all the other agents, especially this young jet-black haired one, convene to shield her from view completely. We call this "collapsing on" the protectee. They left in such a hurry to get her from the public view that her shoe—which she could not retain—was left behind.

After 9/11, Dick Cheney spoke of how his security detail, when moving him to a secure area, lifted him by his Secret Service issued un-snap-able belt, which is used to lift and move a protectee to where they wanted the person to go.

Hillary Clinton was not wearing this standard issue belt.

So what did we hear after? At first it was that she overheated and dehydrated. Now it’s pneumonia. Before, videos of her similar spastic bizarre movement were blamed on allergies and other excuses. Clearly, the totality of her prior blood clots and deep vein thrombosis, along with her concussion and related broken elbow, tell a different story.

Here’s what was very disturbing to me: after the medical episode, she went to her daughter’s apartment and not to an Emergency Room. Secret Service procedure for each detail dictates that everyone knows which hospital to go to depending on the event - heart failure, gunshot, you name it. It is very revealing that, whatever is wrong with her, she is being treated by her own private medical specialists in secret and, judging by the ballet-like reaction by her detail, they have dealt with this before.

Her detail knew that there was something very wrong with her and they were prepared.

When I protected her, I witnessed her irate behavior and, frankly, I don’t think anyone can operate with such uncontrollable fits of anger and not have it take a toll on a person’s health—I think that’s exactly what has resulted. I can’t help but feel sorry for her detail, because I know from personal experience that they will bear the burden for as long as their mental and physical resilience will tolerate. I bet that night they got berated for letting this "leak," but it has nothing to do with their performance and everything to do with her character.

When I worked at the White House, a man exhibited the same exact behavior as he froze inside a medical detector. On his full time nurse’s request, I held him under the armpits and stood by him until his seizure passed. He was an average American and, while it was embarrassing for him in front of all those people, I was employed to protect and serve. All he had to do was be straight with me and all was well. I expect Hillary to do the same and I expect my media to do like I did, ask what’s going on so we know how to respond.

She’s putting herself, her party, and her Secret Service detail at risk. Her health is directly tied to the health of our country and we deserve treatment."



http://ijr.com/opinion/2016/09/260018-protected-hillary-clinton-secret-service-heres-noticed-fainting-video/

A Secret Service agent is not qualified to diagnosis any medical condition. Accepting that as medical evidence over an examination by a qualified MD supported by medical tests and a CT Scan is a bit ridiculous.

The fact that after resting and being treated for dehydration, she was able to walk out the door of the apartment is in keeping with her doctor's diagnosis, pneumonia and overheating. A low grade fever, upper repository congestion, fatigue, and a CT Scan showing a small right middle-lobe pneumonia makes the diagnosis pretty definite. Her doctor examined her several times after the event and reports she is improving.
http://documents.latimes.com/read-letter-hillary-clintons-doctor/

Hmmm, no, that's bullshit. You don't recover from either heat exhaustion or pneumonia in 90 minutes. When did she get a CT scan? If she got one, then let her produce it. her doctor is a paid flunky. She's the women we see in the 9/11 videos telling hillary to squeeze her hand. That's a test for neurological issues, not pneumonia. Why was Hillary even at the ceremony if she knew she had pneumonia? Why was her doctor there? There are a million things about the whole affair that don't make sense is Hillary is not lying.

There is no reason for her to produce a CT scan. Trumpets will just say it's a fake. She's already release a letter from her doctor with the CT Scan results and other test results, a lot more than Trump has produced.

http://documents.latimes.com/read-letter-hillary-clintons-doctor/

Yes, there is a reason for her to produce it. Failure to do so indicates she's lying. The letter from her doctor isn't worth the paper its printed on.

We all no such scan was taken, because there would be a record of it.

 

[bripat9643]

A Secret Service agent is not qualified to diagnosis any medical condition. Accepting that as medical evidence over an examination by a qualified MD supported by medical tests and a CT Scan is a bit ridiculous.

The fact that after resting and being treated for dehydration, she was able to walk out the door of the apartment is in keeping with her doctor's diagnosis, pneumonia and overheating. A low grade fever, upper repository congestion, fatigue, and a CT Scan showing a small right middle-lobe pneumonia makes the diagnosis pretty definite. Her doctor examined her several times after the event and reports she is improving.
http://documents.latimes.com/read-letter-hillary-clintons-doctor/

Hmmm, no, that's bullshit. You don't recover from either heat exhaustion or pneumonia in 90 minutes. When did she get a CT scan? If she got one, then let her produce it. her doctor is a paid flunky. She's the women we see in the 9/11 videos telling hillary to squeeze her hand. That's a test for neurological issues, not pneumonia. Why was Hillary even at the ceremony if she knew she had pneumonia? Why was her doctor there? There are a million things about the whole affair that don't make sense is Hillary is not lying.

There is no reason for her to produce a CT scan. Trumpets will just say it's a fake. She's already release a letter from her doctor with the CT Scan results and other test results, a lot more than Trump has produced.

http://documents.latimes.com/read-letter-hillary-clintons-doctor/

Sure there is. She claims she was diagnosed with pneumonia, then let's see the proof. At this point we can assume everything she says is a lie. The same goes for her doctor.

She gave you proof of the diagnosis. She gave you the a letter from her doctor who did the diagnosis. So you're saying you don't believe the doctor? If that's the case, why would you believe a CT Scan?

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/07/31/us/politics/hillary-clinton-doctor-letter.html

That's why he's like a birther. He doesn't believe any documentation, yet he insists she needs to pump out more.

Wrong. I don't believe documents produced by people on Hillary's payroll or from partisans who obviously support her. Only a congenital sucker would accept such "documentation."

 

[ChrisL]

The theme for Hillary's campaign . . .

 

[bripat9643]

A Secret Service agent is not qualified to diagnosis any medical condition. Accepting that as medical evidence over an examination by a qualified MD supported by medical tests and a CT Scan is a bit ridiculous.

The fact that after resting and being treated for dehydration, she was able to walk out the door of the apartment is in keeping with her doctor's diagnosis, pneumonia and overheating. A low grade fever, upper repository congestion, fatigue, and a CT Scan showing a small right middle-lobe pneumonia makes the diagnosis pretty definite. Her doctor examined her several times after the event and reports she is improving.
http://documents.latimes.com/read-letter-hillary-clintons-doctor/

Hmmm, no, that's bullshit. You don't recover from either heat exhaustion or pneumonia in 90 minutes. When did she get a CT scan? If she got one, then let her produce it. her doctor is a paid flunky. She's the women we see in the 9/11 videos telling hillary to squeeze her hand. That's a test for neurological issues, not pneumonia. Why was Hillary even at the ceremony if she knew she had pneumonia? Why was her doctor there? There are a million things about the whole affair that don't make sense is Hillary is not lying.

There is no reason for her to produce a CT scan. Trumpets will just say it's a fake. She's already release a letter from her doctor with the CT Scan results and other test results, a lot more than Trump has produced.

http://documents.latimes.com/read-letter-hillary-clintons-doctor/

Sure there is. She claims she was diagnosed with pneumonia, then let's see the proof. At this point we can assume everything she says is a lie. The same goes for her doctor.

Her campaign already basically lied about her not having pneumonia... Hugging children while being contaminated with a dangerous contagious infection.

Either she doesn't care about children, or is yet again lying. Going by history... I have assumed everything even slightly questionable she says to be a lie since over a decade ago.

You haven't seen what form of pneumonia she was diagnosed with having, have you?

You mean the "Hillary, get out of jail free" la-la land pneumonia?

 

[Flopper]

There is no reason for her to produce a CT scan. Trumpets will just say it's a fake. She's already release a letter from her doctor with the CT Scan results and other test results, a lot more than Trump has produced.

http://documents.latimes.com/read-letter-hillary-clintons-doctor/

The same doctor who said it was allergies then heat exhaustion? THAT doctor?

No, the doctor who has been treating her for allergies for the last year, who diagnosed pneumonia from a CT Scan, low grade fervor, fatigue, and chest congestion on Friday Sept. 7th. and examined her after the episode on Sunday Sept 9th and said she was overheated and dehydrated. It is not surprising that anyone with pneumonia after standing in the hot sun for over an hour wearing a suit would not become overheated. Do you have a problem with reading compression?

ummm..... it wasn't even 80 degrees

According to whether.com it was 82 at the site. This is the temperature in the shade. In the sun, temperatures are going to be higher and if you were wearing a suit as Clinton was, standing in the sun for an hour with pneumonia and a probable low grade fever, becoming overheated is quite likely.

And what about all the other times? Lol. Excuses, excuses.

What other times? She had a concussion and blood clot in 2012 and sinusitis and pneumonia coupled with allergies in 2016 that lead to her fainting, weakness, and coughing. From 2005 to 2016, we have a number pictures of her in awkward positions and weird facial expressions that right wing media has attempted to link to serious medical conditions.

Hillary Clinton has been followed by the press continuously for over 10 years. Every movement she makes is on a video, every time she trips, slips, falls, or looses her balance is going to be available if you look hard enough. Hell, I have probably stumbled, slipped, loss my balance, or fell dozens of times in the last 10 years. However, nobody cares if I fall, and who would bother taking video.

 

[ChrisL]

The same doctor who said it was allergies then heat exhaustion? THAT doctor?

No, the doctor who has been treating her for allergies for the last year, who diagnosed pneumonia from a CT Scan, low grade fervor, fatigue, and chest congestion on Friday Sept. 7th. and examined her after the episode on Sunday Sept 9th and said she was overheated and dehydrated. It is not surprising that anyone with pneumonia after standing in the hot sun for over an hour wearing a suit would not become overheated. Do you have a problem with reading compression?

ummm..... it wasn't even 80 degrees

According to whether.com it was 82 at the site. This is the temperature in the shade. In the sun, temperatures are going to be higher and if you were wearing a suit as Clinton was, standing in the sun for an hour with pneumonia and a probable low grade fever, becoming overheated is quite likely.

And what about all the other times? Lol. Excuses, excuses.

What other times? She had a concussion and blood clot in 2012 and sinusitis and pneumonia coupled with allergies in 2016 that lead to her fainting, weakness, and coughing. From 2005 to 2016, we have a number pictures of her in awkward positions are weird facial expressions that right wing media has attempted to link to serious medical conditions.

Hillary Clinton has been followed by the press continuously for over 10 years. Every movement she makes is on a video, every time she trips, slips, falls, or looses her balance is going to be available if you look hard enough. Hell, I have probably stumbled, slipped, loss my balance, or fell dozens of times in the last 10 years. However, nobody cares if I fall, and who would bother taking video.

She can't even go up a flight of stairs without help! What's wrong with you? Denial much?