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The Executive, Wry Catcher. The CIC has access to the military advisors, and I'm 99% DADT is nothing but an Executive Order anyway.
Mebbe I'm being overly-cautious, but the effect of this decision seems to me to be to repeal DADT ad hoc. That doesn't seem to be the most orderly way to go about things.
I suppose you might have a different opinion if you got fired under these circumstances.
I don't know your background, but I served, did you? I'm secure enough in my own sexual orientation (for the record I'm married to a women, and have been together for over 35 years), so why do I care who I served with sleeps with? Frankly, some of the "lifers" I served with brought back some nasty little critters from their liberty.
[Do you know how to get rid of crabs? Shave half of your pubic hair, light the other side on fire, and stab the little shits with an ice pick when they run from the fire. Navy humor, circa 1967]
Wry Catcher, I am as supportive of repealing DADT as I can be. Mebbe I'm wrong, but it seems to me if this decision stands, DADT just got repealed by judicial decision. In the months or years until that becomes clear, there'll be some unneeded confusion about where folks stand.
Just is not ideal, is all. This is something Obama said he would do, and he should have done.
I don't disagree. That said, the issue in now in the court system. Time will tell if 5-4 decides some Americans are more equal than others.
Yet another thing we have Obama to thank for. Coward.
He's not a coward. In fact it took great courage to run for POTUS in a nation where assassination is a hobby and racism is alive and well. Anyone who denies racism is part and parcel of our country is stupid and/or a liar. That is not a false dichotomy.
Put on his shoes before you judge.
Yet another thing we have Obama to thank for. Coward.
He's not a coward. In fact it took great courage to run for POTUS in a nation where assassination is a hobby and racism is alive and well. Anyone who denies racism is part and parcel of our country is stupid and/or a liar. That is not a false dichotomy.
Put on his shoes before you judge.
Assassination is a hobby? Seriosly dude, what planet do you live on?
Judge orders lesbian reinstated to Air Force | Latest National Headlines | News from For...
BY GENE JOHNSON
Associated Press Writer
TACOMA, Wash. A federal judge ruled Friday that a decorated flight nurse discharged from the Air Force for being gay should be given her job back as soon as possible in the latest legal setback to the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy.
The decision by U.S. District Judge Ronald Leighton came in a closely watched case as a tense debate has been playing out over the policy. Senate Republicans blocked an effort to lift the ban this week, but Leighton is now the second federal judge this month to deem the policy unconstitutional.
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I'm sure the homophob's at this site are pissing pink right now over this. This ruling is the second victory for this month for people opposed to DADT.
And just to add salt to this wound let me add this.
Con Jobs, Tea Hadists and Repugs love to site legal decisions in their posts, especially when the judge making the ruling is a Carter Appointee or Clinton Appointee (They feel that when a judge appointed by a Democrat rules against an issue that progressives support it means something).
Well guess what you Con Jobs, Tea Haters and Repugs...U.S. District Judge Ronald Leighton was appointed by none other than.....wait for it.....any second now....President George Bush. The shrub appointed Judge Leighton in 2002.
This is not "Some Liberal Activist Judge." But a judge with a strong Conservative Background, appointed by a Repuglican President.
Makes me feel good ALL OVER.
If a law is passed that is unconstitutional I am quite alright with a federal judge ruling on it.
If a law is passed that is unconstitutional I am quite alright with a federal judge ruling on it.
Umm
SCOTUS has said it is constitutional. Do you have a problem with a judge being ordered to ignore precedent and decide a case based on the social views of activist judges?
Interesting.......
How many heterosexuals were discharged last year for getting a blow job?
Heterosexuals are punished including discharge for a variety of sexual violations every year. Stop playing dumb.
Different standard of justice than for homosexuals
Stop playing dumb
Yep, I knew you could not quote anything. Ever wondered why every military reservation has a federal magistrate assigned to handle cases involving military members that are not handled by UCMJ?
And here is oddball's expression as he figures what to do next.
Yep, I knew you could not quote anything. Ever wondered why every military reservation has a federal magistrate assigned to handle cases involving military members that are not handled by UCMJ?
And here is oddball's expression as he figures what to do next.
What the hell are you talking about?
He's not a coward. In fact it took great courage to run for POTUS in a nation where assassination is a hobby and racism is alive and well. Anyone who denies racism is part and parcel of our country is stupid and/or a liar. That is not a false dichotomy.
Put on his shoes before you judge.
Assassination is a hobby? Seriosly dude, what planet do you live on?
The same one where racism is just a part of daily life I guess.
Yep, I knew you could not quote anything. Ever wondered why every military reservation has a federal magistrate assigned to handle cases involving military members that are not handled by UCMJ?
And here is oddball's expression as he figures what to do next.
What the hell are you talking about?
Lets here it for those damned activist judges
The fact that the armed services discrininate against gay Americans who are committing no crime should have been settled years ago
Lets here it for those damned activist judges
The fact that the armed services discrininate against gay Americans who are committing no crime should have been settled years ago
The "Activist Judge" your refering to was appointed by the shrub, in 2002.
Heterosexuals are punished including discharge for a variety of sexual violations every year. Stop playing dumb.
Different standard of justice than for homosexuals
Stop playing dumb
Quite true. Heterosexuals who violate regulations and get discharged as a result rarely receive honorable discharges. Homosexuals, on the other hand, almost always do.
Just something to think about.
Assassination is a hobby? Seriosly dude, what planet do you live on?
The same one where racism is just a part of daily life I guess.
I guess. I had to think for a minute before I could even remember when anyone was charged with trying to assassinate anyone. If it is a hobby, it is not a very popular one.
I guess. I had to think for a minute before I could even remember when anyone was charged with trying to assassinate anyone. If it is a hobby, it is not a very popular one.
Bush was as liberal as LBJ.
The Confederate slaves weren't under military jurisdiction.
Progressives, including you, are still dingbat dopes.
Lets here it for those damned activist judges
The fact that the armed services discrininate against gay Americans who are committing no crime should have been settled years ago
The "Activist Judge" your refering to was appointed by the shrub, in 2002.
i think he's being tongue in cheek.
of course the decision is a correct one. rights can't be left to majority vote.
The "Activist Judge" your refering to was appointed by the shrub, in 2002.
i think he's being tongue in cheek.
of course the decision is a correct one. rights can't be left to majority vote.
Jillian, why don't you understand that the military as an entity is entirely separate from the civilian judiciary, except in two instances which I have documented above?
As a member of the military your rights are defined by the UCMJ, NOT the COTUS. I can think of a thousand instances of soldiers not having the same rights as civilians. Can you think of a single time prior to this case where a US soldier sued in federal court to keep the military from taking away their "right" and won?
Further , I have already shown where ONLY the SCOTUS has jurisdiction to review the discharge of a soldier, meaning they can't kick it down to a lower court, they must either hear it themselves or let it stand.
Further, serving in the military is not a right, it is a privilege, if it were a right, the military could not for instance require a high school diploma, so the argument that someone's right to serve is being taken away is invalid.
