Judge Blocks Oklahoma’s Ban on Using Shariah Law in Court

Isn't Sharia law unconstitutional...?

According to Sharia law if one was to leave Islam they are aspostates and are to be killed...and there are plenty of other aspects of Sharia law that blatantly oppose the laws of the United States...so why should we allow Sharia law within our borders just because it is part of a religion....?

Explain to me why you want the nanny state putting its nose in what could simply be a personal preference for a choice of law, provided that no rules that would be applied be against public order.

If somebody Muslim wants his estate divided using Sharia law, why do you see the urge to interfere and prevent that person from using whatever set of rule he or she wants to use?

Again, as long as no rule that would be applied be against the public order.
 
Isn't Sharia law unconstitutional...?

According to Sharia law if one was to leave Islam they are aspostates and are to be killed...and there are plenty of other aspects of Sharia law that blatantly oppose the laws of the United States...so why should we allow Sharia law within our borders just because it is part of a religion....?

Explain to me why you want the nanny state putting its nose in what could simply be a personal preference for a choice of law, provided that no rules that would be applied be against public order.

If somebody Muslim wants his estate divided using Sharia law, why do you see the urge to interfere and prevent that person from using whatever set of rule he or she wants to use?

Again, as long as no rule that would be applied be against the public order.

Is honor killing just "a personal preference for a choice of law"....?

Sure, there are aspects of Islamic practices that would be perfectly legal in the U.S......

However, what is wrong with a law that just flat out says Sharia law is illegal whenever it conflicts with U.S. law....?

The reason CAIR doesn't want that is because they are pushing "stealth jihad".....bit by bit they are out to corrode the laws of the U.S....
 
Isn't Sharia law unconstitutional...?

According to Sharia law if one was to leave Islam they are aspostates and are to be killed...and there are plenty of other aspects of Sharia law that blatantly oppose the laws of the United States...so why should we allow Sharia law within our borders just because it is part of a religion....?

Explain to me why you want the nanny state putting its nose in what could simply be a personal preference for a choice of law, provided that no rules that would be applied be against public order.

If somebody Muslim wants his estate divided using Sharia law, why do you see the urge to interfere and prevent that person from using whatever set of rule he or she wants to use?

Again, as long as no rule that would be applied be against the public order.

Is honor killing just "a personal preference for a choice of law"....?

Sure, there are aspects of Islamic practices that would be perfectly legal in the U.S......

However, what is wrong with a law that just flat out says Sharia law is illegal whenever it conflicts with U.S. law....?
Why do we need a law that says that? Isn't that already the case?

The reason CAIR doesn't want that is because they are pushing "stealth jihad".....bit by bit they are out to corrode the laws of the U.S....

Aha - the "creeping sharia" argument. Do you really think one morning you're going to wake up, and all of a sudden it'll be illegal for women to leave the house without a burka?
 
Is honor killing just "a personal preference for a choice of law"....?

Sure, there are aspects of Islamic practices that would be perfectly legal in the U.S......

However, what is wrong with a law that just flat out says Sharia law is illegal whenever it conflicts with U.S. law....?

The reason CAIR doesn't want that is because they are pushing "stealth jihad".....bit by bit they are out to corrode the laws of the U.S....


What is wrong with "a law that just flat out says Sharia law is illegal whenever it conflicts with U.S. law....?"?

Nothing is wrong with that -- if you talk about an actual public order conflict, it's already the case.

But that's not what Oklahoma law was about.

As for the CAIR "stealth jihad", sounds like a great conspiracy theory to me.

I guess you are a true lib, one that wants to prevent consenting adults from using the law of their choice.
 
"Judges are forbidden from considering religion of any kind and international law when making and ruling on their decisions"
is all they need to have in that amendment. Only then would it pass constitutionally.
It is so easy, right and what the Founders wanted.
Why wasn't it written that way to begin with?
 
Its all bullshit until the USSC says what the Law says. Judge Napolitano (FXN legal expert) said Sharia Law is a non-factor in US Law, just like Druid Law, or sun-worshiper's Law....
 
"Judges are forbidden from considering religion of any kind and international law when making and ruling on their decisions"
is all they need to have in that amendment. Only then would it pass constitutionally.
It is so easy, right and what the Founders wanted.
Why wasn't it written that way to begin with?

Question for you. When two companies enter into a contract which include demand guarantees and agree that their agreement will be governed by Publication 758 of the ICC, would they go against the rule you just wrote?

ICC Business Bookstore | ICC Uniform Rules for Demand Guarantees <br>(URDG)<br>Including Model Forms

International Chamber of Commerce - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How about people have choice of law rules in their contracts?

Choice of law clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I guess it wasn't written because the Founders had some foresight.
 
"Judges are forbidden from considering religion of any kind and international law when making and ruling on their decisions"
is all they need to have in that amendment. Only then would it pass constitutionally.
It is so easy, right and what the Founders wanted.
Why wasn't it written that way to begin with?

Question for you. When two companies enter into a contract which include demand guarantees and agree that their agreement will be governed by Publication 758 of the ICC, would they go against the rule you just wrote?

ICC Business Bookstore | ICC Uniform Rules for Demand Guarantees <br>(URDG)<br>Including Model Forms

International Chamber of Commerce - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How about people have choice of law rules in their contracts?

Choice of law clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I guess it wasn't written because the Founders had some foresight.

What does that have to do with religion?
If 2 sides agree to abide by a civil contract then so be it. Who gives a shit if they are both in agreement?
Who has jurisdiction over that? A US court, other courts or both? How is jurisdiction determined? Who determines the jurisdiction? If they agree to some model and set of rules and laws then that has a course.
Where is religion in any of that?
One sentence eliminates religion and that is the challenge in this case specifically.
 
Is honor killing just "a personal preference for a choice of law"....?

Sure, there are aspects of Islamic practices that would be perfectly legal in the U.S......

However, what is wrong with a law that just flat out says Sharia law is illegal whenever it conflicts with U.S. law....?

The reason CAIR doesn't want that is because they are pushing "stealth jihad".....bit by bit they are out to corrode the laws of the U.S....


What is wrong with "a law that just flat out says Sharia law is illegal whenever it conflicts with U.S. law....?"?

Nothing is wrong with that -- if you talk about an actual public order conflict, it's already the case.

But that's not what Oklahoma law was about.

As for the CAIR "stealth jihad", sounds like a great conspiracy theory to me.

I guess you are a true lib, one that wants to prevent consenting adults from using the law of their choice.

What a snide stupid thing to say..."law of their choice"....haha

So...tell us exactly what is the Oklahoma law about....???

You don't think CAIR is conducting what is known as stealth jihad....? You are more ignorant than you sound...here is what the co-founder, Omar Ahmad, said:

"Those who stay in America should be open to society without melting, keeping Mosques open so anyone can come and learn about Islam. If you choose to live here, you have a responsibility to deliver the message of Islam ... Islam isn't in America to be equal to
any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book
of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."

*Anti-CAIR* Defending America from the Council on American-Islamic Relations


And if you don't think Sharia law isn't a threat to America....just take a look at England where it is gaining a foothold...
Britain has 85 sharia courts: The astonishing spread of the Islamic justice behind closed doors

At least 85 Islamic sharia courts are operating in Britain, a study claimed yesterday.
The astonishing figure is 17 times higher than previously accepted.

The tribunals, working mainly from mosques, settle financial and family disputes according to religious principles. They lay down judgments which can be given full legal status if approved in national law courts.

However, they operate behind doors that are closed to independent observers and their decisions are likely to be unfair to women and backed by intimidation, a report by independent think-tank Civitas said.
...
Mr MacEoin said: 'Among the rulings we find some that advise illegal actions and others that transgress human rights standards as applied by British courts.'
...
The Civitas study said the Islamic courts should no longer be recognised under British law.

Its director Dr David Green said: 'The reality is that for many Muslims, sharia courts are in practice part of an institutionalised atmosphere of intimidation, backed by the ultimate sanction of a death threat.'

Read more: Britain has 85 sharia courts: The astonishing spread of the Islamic justice behind closed doors | Mail Online
 
Is honor killing just "a personal preference for a choice of law"....?

Sure, there are aspects of Islamic practices that would be perfectly legal in the U.S......

However, what is wrong with a law that just flat out says Sharia law is illegal whenever it conflicts with U.S. law....?

The reason CAIR doesn't want that is because they are pushing "stealth jihad".....bit by bit they are out to corrode the laws of the U.S....


What is wrong with "a law that just flat out says Sharia law is illegal whenever it conflicts with U.S. law....?"?

Nothing is wrong with that -- if you talk about an actual public order conflict, it's already the case.

But that's not what Oklahoma law was about.

As for the CAIR "stealth jihad", sounds like a great conspiracy theory to me.

I guess you are a true lib, one that wants to prevent consenting adults from using the law of their choice.

What a snide stupid thing to say..."law of their choice"....haha

So...tell us exactly what is the Oklahoma law about....???

You don't think CAIR is conducting what is known as stealth jihad....? You are more ignorant than you sound...here is what the co-founder, Omar Ahmad, said:

"Those who stay in America should be open to society without melting, keeping Mosques open so anyone can come and learn about Islam. If you choose to live here, you have a responsibility to deliver the message of Islam ... Islam isn't in America to be equal to
any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book
of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."

*Anti-CAIR* Defending America from the Council on American-Islamic Relations


And if you don't think Sharia law isn't a threat to America....just take a look at England where it is gaining a foothold...
Britain has 85 sharia courts: The astonishing spread of the Islamic justice behind closed doors

At least 85 Islamic sharia courts are operating in Britain, a study claimed yesterday.
The astonishing figure is 17 times higher than previously accepted.

The tribunals, working mainly from mosques, settle financial and family disputes according to religious principles. They lay down judgments which can be given full legal status if approved in national law courts.

However, they operate behind doors that are closed to independent observers and their decisions are likely to be unfair to women and backed by intimidation, a report by independent think-tank Civitas said.
...
Mr MacEoin said: 'Among the rulings we find some that advise illegal actions and others that transgress human rights standards as applied by British courts.'
...
The Civitas study said the Islamic courts should no longer be recognised under British law.

Its director Dr David Green said: 'The reality is that for many Muslims, sharia courts are in practice part of an institutionalised atmosphere of intimidation, backed by the ultimate sanction of a death threat.'

Read more: Britain has 85 sharia courts: The astonishing spread of the Islamic justice behind closed doors | Mail Online

WTF do the English know anyway?
The dumb bastards call soccer "football".
 
What is wrong with "a law that just flat out says Sharia law is illegal whenever it conflicts with U.S. law....?"?

Nothing is wrong with that -- if you talk about an actual public order conflict, it's already the case.

But that's not what Oklahoma law was about.

As for the CAIR "stealth jihad", sounds like a great conspiracy theory to me.

I guess you are a true lib, one that wants to prevent consenting adults from using the law of their choice.

What a snide stupid thing to say..."law of their choice"....haha

So...tell us exactly what is the Oklahoma law about....???

You don't think CAIR is conducting what is known as stealth jihad....? You are more ignorant than you sound...here is what the co-founder, Omar Ahmad, said:

"Those who stay in America should be open to society without melting, keeping Mosques open so anyone can come and learn about Islam. If you choose to live here, you have a responsibility to deliver the message of Islam ... Islam isn't in America to be equal to
any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book
of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."

*Anti-CAIR* Defending America from the Council on American-Islamic Relations


And if you don't think Sharia law isn't a threat to America....just take a look at England where it is gaining a foothold...
Britain has 85 sharia courts: The astonishing spread of the Islamic justice behind closed doors

At least 85 Islamic sharia courts are operating in Britain, a study claimed yesterday.
The astonishing figure is 17 times higher than previously accepted.

The tribunals, working mainly from mosques, settle financial and family disputes according to religious principles. They lay down judgments which can be given full legal status if approved in national law courts.

However, they operate behind doors that are closed to independent observers and their decisions are likely to be unfair to women and backed by intimidation, a report by independent think-tank Civitas said.
...
Mr MacEoin said: 'Among the rulings we find some that advise illegal actions and others that transgress human rights standards as applied by British courts.'
...
The Civitas study said the Islamic courts should no longer be recognised under British law.

Its director Dr David Green said: 'The reality is that for many Muslims, sharia courts are in practice part of an institutionalised atmosphere of intimidation, backed by the ultimate sanction of a death threat.'

Read more: Britain has 85 sharia courts: The astonishing spread of the Islamic justice behind closed doors | Mail Online

WTF do the English know anyway?
The dumb bastards call soccer "football".

Exactly....the dumb bastards are losing their country....

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Why do the people who scream about "creeping sharia" never seem to have a problem with Beth Din courts? There have been Beth Din courts in NY for 50 years or so...
 
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Why do the people who scream about "creeping sharia" never seem to have a problem with Beth Din courts? There have been Beth Din courts in NY for 50 years or so...

Beth Din is a private non binding civil arbitration for Jews only unless both sides agree to their authority before hand.
Less costly and not a state court.
Used mostly on religous issues such as divorce.
Again, the issue here is the case illustrated: State court and Sharia law.
 
Why do the people who scream about "creeping sharia" never seem to have a problem with Beth Din courts? There have been Beth Din courts in NY for 50 years or so...

Beth Din is a private non binding civil arbitration for Jews only unless both sides agree to their authority before hand.
Less costly and not a state court.
Used mostly on religous issues such as divorce.
Again, the issue here is the case illustrated: State court and Sharia law.

I know.

"Sharia" courts in England operate the same way.
 
Why do the people who scream about "creeping sharia" never seem to have a problem with Beth Din courts? There have been Beth Din courts in NY for 50 years or so...

maybe because they aren't intent upon laying their law upon the rest of us...
 
Why do the people who scream about "creeping sharia" never seem to have a problem with Beth Din courts? There have been Beth Din courts in NY for 50 years or so...

Beth Din is a private non binding civil arbitration for Jews only unless both sides agree to their authority before hand.
Less costly and not a state court.
Used mostly on religous issues such as divorce.
Again, the issue here is the case illustrated: State court and Sharia law.

I know.

"Sharia" courts in England operate the same way.

Private arbitration be it whatever religion or no religion, as 99% of all private arbitration is, is ok with me.
None of that is the law and binding on anyone else in America other than the parties that agreed to it to begin with.
 
Why do the people who scream about "creeping sharia" never seem to have a problem with Beth Din courts? There have been Beth Din courts in NY for 50 years or so...

maybe because they aren't intent upon laying their law upon the rest of us...

Exhibit A why religion OF ANY KIND, is a bad thing for government and the law.
We are a nation of laws, not men and their religions.
You won't get a lot of AMENS here about that long forgotten fact.
 
Beth Din is a private non binding civil arbitration for Jews only unless both sides agree to their authority before hand.
Less costly and not a state court.
Used mostly on religous issues such as divorce.
Again, the issue here is the case illustrated: State court and Sharia law.

I know.

"Sharia" courts in England operate the same way.

Private arbitration be it whatever religion or no religion, as 99% of all private arbitration is, is ok with me.
None of that is the law and binding on anyone else in America other than the parties that agreed to it to begin with.

But as the investigation in England found out....many of the "believers" are basically forced to submit to the Sharia courts.....and there are many human rights violations....
 
I know.

"Sharia" courts in England operate the same way.

Private arbitration be it whatever religion or no religion, as 99% of all private arbitration is, is ok with me.
None of that is the law and binding on anyone else in America other than the parties that agreed to it to begin with.

But as the investigation in England found out....many of the "believers" are basically forced to submit to the Sharia courts.....and there are many human rights violations....

They are shamed into it.
Religion sure fucks a lot of stuff up.
 
Why do the people who scream about "creeping sharia" never seem to have a problem with Beth Din courts? There have been Beth Din courts in NY for 50 years or so...

maybe because they aren't intent upon laying their law upon the rest of us...

Exhibit A why religion OF ANY KIND, is a bad thing for government and the law.
We are a nation of laws, not men and their religions.
You won't get a lot of AMENS here about that long forgotten fact.

Right....do we as Americans want a representative Republic or a theocracy running our court system...?
 

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