Joe the Plumber - The Truth and nothing but it

[Mad Scientist]

That could be true, I've got no idea in Joe's case. So he thinks he pays too much in tax and he is against a plan that cuts his tax. Okay, he is a moron. A total and complete loon.

Joe already acknowledged in the interview that he'd get a tax refund under Obama's plan. That's not what he's concerned about.
He said "When I make more than 250,000 dollars a year I don't want my taxes to be raised (I'm paraphrasing here). Why should I be punished for my success?"

And I, and millions of voters, agree.

 

[Ravi]

Joe already acknowledged in the interview that he'd get a tax refund under Obama's plan. That's not what he's concerned about.
He said "When I make more than 250,000 dollars a year I don't want my taxes to be raised (I'm paraphrasing here). Why should I be punished for my success?"

And I, and millions of voters, agree.

That would have been a legitimate question but that isn't what he asked.

 

[BahWhack_Odamma]

Joe may make $250,000, but he does owe back taxes. I am going to tax people like Joe who are in the top 5%. It isn't going to affect you. With the taxes you don't have to pay will be covered by the less wages you will earn under my presidency. We are going to take back our economy from the last eight years, and make it even better for unemployment. The rate shouldn't be 6%. I believe it should be more. By taxing the rich, there are consequences that i cannot reveal. If i did, i probably won't be elected.

 

[sealybobo]

I've owed state and federal taxes before, millions of others have too. That doesn't make us scoff laws, it makes us overtaxed.

And I've never owed so I must be taxed just right.

 

[sealybobo]

taxed at one rate for the amount up to 250K and taxed at the higher rate on the amount over 250K...............

What is the cost of two Latte ventes at Starbucks, once a week?

Or that pack a day habit, at $5+ most of which is taxes anyway......

I guestimated that Bush & Chaney & the GOP cost me at least $500 more per year for gas with all the speculation and gouging, so fuck these rich whiners.

 

[BahWhack_Odamma]

And I've never owed so I must be taxed just right.

Because you don't make enough to pay them. People like sealybobo will benefit. They won't lose jobs that they don't already have. They will get health care that the top payers of this country will be able to support and provide. Redistribution of wealth is an ideal that the little guy who couldn't launch a company like Apple or Google, will get a chance. That everyone will be mediocre. On the same playing field. The visible hand of government has worked. The liberal policies of the 1960s have made minorities like African-Americans better off. The 1970s is an example of that. Back then, you could afford 2 ipods. Today, you can only afford 1.

 

[sealybobo]

Joe may make $250,000, but he does owe back taxes. I am going to tax people like Joe who are in the top 5%. It isn't going to affect you. With the taxes you don't have to pay will be covered by the less wages you will earn under my presidency. We are going to take back our economy from the last eight years, and make it even better for unemployment. The rate shouldn't be 6%. I believe it should be more. By taxing the rich, there are consequences that i cannot reveal. If i did, i probably won't be elected.

See! What did I tell you. Threaten us. If you don't get your way, you'll tank the economy. Sorta like the $700 billion you just stole on your way out the door.

Are you George Bush? I can totally see him coming up with BahWhack Odamma. That's probably how he would spell it, even when trying to be serious.

Our founding fathers warned us of Corporations getting too powerful and too involved with our politicians. I guess we now see why.

I say the government should give a loan to a new bank, a new oil company, a new insurance company, a new health care provider. Ones that are non profit. And then your business' will have to compete against them.

 

[BahWhack_Odamma]

See! What did I tell you. Threaten us. If you don't get your way, you'll tank the economy. Sorta like the $700 billion you just stole on your way out the door.

Are you George Bush? I can totally see him coming up with BahWhack Odamma. That's probably how he would spell it, even when trying to be serious.

Our founding fathers warned us of Corporations getting too powerful and too involved with our politicians. I guess we now see why.

I say the government should give a loan to a new bank, a new oil company, a new insurance company, a new health care provider. Ones that are non profit. And then your business' will have to compete against them.

I voted with my fellow friend, George W. Bush. Who i adored. He has served this country well. Because of him, Democrats are taking power. We should thank Bush. Without him, there wouldn't be me, BahWhack Urinsane Odamma.

 

[sealybobo]

Because you don't make enough to pay them. People like sealybobo will benefit. They won't lose jobs that they don't already have. They will get health care that the top payers of this country will be able to support. Redistribution of wealth is an ideal that the little guy who couldn't launch a company like Apple or Google, will get a chance. That everyone will be mediocre. On the same playing field.

How many people launched an Apple or Google? Fuck them. There are WAY more of us worker bees than there are Bill Gates. Fuck them!

And I make very good money. I work for a HUGE company. And every year the health care goes up. And every year the cost of living goes up and I don't remember the last raise. I'm in sales, and companies aren't buying as much in a GOP economy, you dumb fuck. Who are you?

Yes, i'm smart enough to know that I pay way too much for health care. And for about the same, we can insure EVERYONE, and I'm not a cold callous bitch like you. Karma my friend. Someone you love might get fucked by the very bad system that you defend. Maybe you.

 

[Missourian]

And I've never owed so I must be taxed just right.

I think you'd be amazed at the taxes you pay:

Sales tax

Gasoline tax

Property tax

Telephone tax

Federal Income tax

State Income tax

Social security tax

ETC....

Here's a video from youtube:

[youtube]1-eqG7tvrzk[/youtube]​

 

[sealybobo]

I voted with my fellow friend, George W. Bush. Who i adored. He has served this country well. Because of him, Democrats are taking power. We should thank Bush. Without him, there wouldn't be me, BahWhack Urinsane Odamma.

You defended Bush for 8 years. And you would vote for him again if he were running, dumb fuck.

 

[sealybobo]

I think you'd be amazed at the taxes you pay:

Sales tax

Gasoline tax

Property tax

Telephone tax

Federal Income tax

State Income tax

Social security tax

ETC....

Here's a video from youtube:

[youtube]1-eqG7tvrzk[/youtube]​

I can't see the video at work, but I'm assuming it's freedom to fascism? I'm a huge fan.

I hate income tax. We should abolish it. But not abolish it for the top 10% and have the debt that WE ALL OWE double.

 

[Otter_Creek]

No, anyone working under Newell should have a journeyman’s plumbing license or an apprenticeship license, officials said.

The Toledo Plumbing Board of Control may consider sanctions against Wurzelbacher or Newell, officials told NBC affiliate WNWO of Toledo.

You sick libs make me want to puke.
What a friend you all are to the blue collar worker. Assholes

 

[BahWhack_Odamma]

You defended Bush for 8 years. And you would vote for him again if he were running, dumb fuck.

You are right. I defended Bush for 8 years by voting for his economic policy, the $700 billion bailout. I defended his eight years of economic policy by voting for it. It's about Wall Street. The people in Main Street won't know what hit them when i'm through. The only difference between me and my fellow buddy, George Dubya, i will be beloved my media and his so-called liberal opposition. We need to be united. Bush, are fellow liberal under the disguise to ruin the conservative values, has done a fine job. He went to an Ivy league school. I went to one as well.

The big question, do you work for yahoo? If you don't, they are offering jobs for people to be bots in chat room. You fit the qualification.

 

[N4mddissent]

There has been some discussion about Joe's question and its relationship to the actual situation.

First, let me say the those defending Joe have a couple of points. It is not fair to say Joe was a "plant" by the Republicans without proof. Second, it is valid to critique Obama's response whether the situation was real or hypothetical.

However, I believe the negative reaction and the importance of the real situation should not be dismissed. The importance of Joe the Plumber as a symbol, one latched onto by the McCain campaign as evidenced by his repeated mentions in the debate, is at issue as well. To the McCain campaign, Joe the Plumber was a tangible symbol of the blue-collar working class American which they intended to use as a rebuttal to Obama's assertion that the average, middle class worker would benefit rather than pay increased taxes under his plan. I will admit, it struck me as strange when Joe was first mentioned, because although I know plumbers can make a very good living, it seemed at the very least unusual that one we bring home more than my family doctor.

The McCain campaign would not benefit greatly by showing a well-to-do financial advisor, bank manager, surgeon, or corporate lawyer who would be taxed higher under Obama's plan. They needed someone who represented the blue-collar type who would be hurt. They thought they had it in Joe, but that's where the reality of the situation becomes important. Since the situation Joe described seems to be considerable at odds with his actual situation, then using him as a symbol was a mistake at best, and misleading at worst. I don't fault the McCain campaign or accuse them of intentionally misleading in this case, but they should refrain from attempting to use him as a symbol from this point forward. If they want an example, they should actively find a blue-collar worker type who fits the situation they want to demonstrate. If they can't find one, perhaps they should find a different avenue of attack on the tax plan since it would seem at that point that Obama's claim to help middle-class workers is valid.

 

[Missourian]

What surprised me was Senator Obama's contention that a National Sales Tax would have to be 40% to generate the revenue that income tax generates today. I have no doubt that 40% is close to accurate.

But just think about how much real money that is. Every product sold in the United States would need to increase 40%.


"A billion here, a billion there, pretty soon it adds up to real money."

-Senator Everett Dirksen (1896 – 1969)​

 

[sealybobo]

There has been some discussion about Joe's question and its relationship to the actual situation.

First, let me say the those defending Joe have a couple of points. It is not fair to say Joe was a "plant" by the Republicans without proof. Second, it is valid to critique Obama's response whether the situation was real or hypothetical.

However, I believe the negative reaction and the importance of the real situation should not be dismissed. The importance of Joe the Plumber as a symbol, one latched onto by the McCain campaign as evidenced by his repeated mentions in the debate, is at issue as well. To the McCain campaign, Joe the Plumber was a tangible symbol of the blue-collar working class American which they intended to use as a rebuttal to Obama's assertion that the average, middle class worker would benefit rather than pay increased taxes under his plan. I will admit, it struck me as strange when Joe was first mentioned, because although I know plumbers can make a very good living, it seemed at the very least unusual that one we bring home more than my family doctor.

The McCain campaign would not benefit greatly by showing a well-to-do financial advisor, bank manager, surgeon, or corporate lawyer who would be taxed higher under Obama's plan. They needed someone who represented the blue-collar type who would be hurt. They thought they had it in Joe, but that's where the reality of the situation becomes important. Since the situation Joe described seems to be considerable at odds with his actual situation, then using him as a symbol was a mistake at best, and misleading at worst. I don't fault the McCain campaign or accuse them of intentionally misleading in this case, but they should refrain from attempting to use him as a symbol from this point forward. If they want an example, they should actively find a blue-collar worker type who fits the situation they want to demonstrate. If they can't find one, perhaps they should find a different avenue of attack on the tax plan since it would seem at that point that Obama's claim to help middle-class workers is valid.

You are right. They are trying to make the argument for the people at the bottom of the top 10%.

I just don't feel sorry for the people making more than $250k. They sure don't feel for us. And I'm not afraid they'll punish us. That's slave mentality.

Most of them are voting for McCain, right? They voted for Bush?

So why would I agree with them?

Plus do the math, it's an extra $300 in taxes per $10K over $250k.

 

[N4mddissent]

What surprised me was Senator Obama's contention that a National Sales Tax would have to be 40% to generate the revenue that income tax generates today. I have no doubt that 40% is close to accurate.

That's probably pretty accurate. There are a couple of things about a Nat. Sales Tax though. First, are all items taxed? Including necessities like food? If so, you are going to create a serious poverty situation where people on the low end of the income scale find basic necessities priced out of reach. Not to mention that the middle class would probably cut back on a lot of purchases if the sales tax went that high. Things like TV's, ipods, and other unnecessary goods would look a lot less attractive with that sort of mark-up, even with savings created by not paying income tax. After all, many other more basic goods will tend to eat away those savings. Plus you're going to have to start federally taxing internet purchases. After all, with a %40 sales tax, a lot goods would be purchased online to avoid it unless the tax is implemented there too. The wealthy would pay more when purchasing expensive luxury items, but all of their investments would no longer be taxed, and let's face it, with a %40 sales tax, the rich can afford to make large purchases overseas while on vacation and avoid the tax completely. New $100,000 diamond necklace for the lady? Pick that up on my next trip to Antwerp. And things like a new set tools for the average guy to use to make repairs at home would be priced at the point of being a burden. Those who can afford to pay for others to perform maintenance would probably see minimal increase unless services are taxed as well. It seems to me like a con by those who don't want to give much back to country that provided the opportunity for their financial success.

 

[sealybobo]

That's probably pretty accurate. There are a couple of things about a Nat. Sales Tax though. First, are all items taxed? Including necessities like food? If so, you are going to create a serious poverty situation where people on the low end of the income scale find basic necessities priced out of reach. Not to mention that the middle class would probably cut back on a lot of purchases if the sales tax went that high. Things like TV's, ipods, and other unnecessary goods would look a lot less attractive with that sort of mark-up, even with savings created by not paying income tax. After all, many other more basic goods will tend to eat away those savings. Plus you're going to have to start federally taxing internet purchases. After all, with a %40 sales tax, a lot goods would be purchased online to avoid it unless the tax is implemented there too. The wealthy would pay more when purchasing expensive luxury items, but all of their investments would no longer be taxed, and let's face it, with a %40 sales tax, the rich can afford to make large purchases overseas while on vacation and avoid the tax completely. New $100,000 diamond necklace for the lady? Pick that up on my next trip to Antwerp. And things like a new set tools for the average guy to use to make repairs at home would be priced at the point of being a burden. Those who can afford to pay for others to perform maintenance would probably see minimal increase unless services are taxed as well. It seems to me like a con by those who don't want to give much back to country that provided the opportunity for their financial success.

No, necessities would not be taxed.

Conservatives are right. We spend way beyond our means. Debt and credit are our problem. So if we can't afford an IPOD or Big Screen because of the sales tax, maybe we shouldn't buy it.

But then in the next breath they'll tell us that we have to start spending or the economy won't fix itself.

Maybe the rich should start spending some of the money they picked up under Bush's tax cuts?

If the rich buy overseas and get caught smuggling in that contraband, then we will put them in jail or fine them 10 times the cost of the neclace. This will be another reason to invest in airport security.

 

[jreeves]

If my memory serves me he actually said he wanted to buy a business which COST $250-280K.

Apparently this genuis who apparently doesn't have a pot to pss in or a window to throw it out of, doesn't understand the difference between the cost of a business and the concept of taxingt on a businesses net profits.

He is a lying Republican loyalist, after all, so his confusion about accounting and ignorance about Obama tax proposal shouldn't really surpise many of us.[/QUOTE]

Yes anyone who exposes Obama's tax policies as being socialistic in nature, is lying....