Joe Biden's Ukraine Scandal

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    What the hell are you smoking child? It would be irresponsible of the the Trump administration to release the money to a newly minted administration in Ukraine until they got a feel for the direction Ukraine was headed. That would include the new parliament which hadn't instituted the new reforms until after the call with Zelensky.

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    Didn't the OMB and DOD already go through and certify that Ukraine was heading in the right direction?
     
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    It wasn't for him to refuse It was voted on with a bi partisan vote He's a slime bag and cost the lives of many
     
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    Actually what Biden threatened to withhold was a loan guarantee, and without it the Ukraine economy could have collapsed, and the aid the Trump administration held for 55 days was an actual gift, there were no strings that anything needed to be repaid.

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    A loan guarantee is still a gift. It is a thing of value which we were not obligated to give them in any way. It cannot be considered a threat or use of force to withhold something that which we have ZERO obligation to provide.
     
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    How could they have, Zelensky had only been in office two months, and the new parliament hadn't been seated, no one knew for sure where the country was headed.

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    wouldnt want you to spend the rest of your life being an ignorant moron,,,


     
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    No one knows to this day where the country is headed, but the OMB had already certified that they were making significant forward progress before Trump put the freeze on it. At no point in time did Trump communicate demands regarding government reform as a reason for the hold. Nor was it his position to do so unilaterally. In order to actually hold the money which was appropriated by Congress, he would have to submit his reasons to Congress for approval. That never happened.

    It seems like this is an excuse made after the fact with no contemporaneous facts to support it.
     
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    Ok, let's go with that, military aid is a gift also, you can't have it both ways. If Biden can withhold a gift, so can Trump.

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    So what were the dates of the OMB and DOJ certifications? You keep making these claims, time to back them up with links.

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