Joe Biden's Ukraine Scandal

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    Then it's the Company that needs to look into it, not any Government outside of the Ukrainian Government. And then the only question comes up is why you are worried about it since it's not your dime.
     
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    Well, military aid was a congressional appropriation so Trump has limited options since he doesn’t have authority to undo a law passed by Congress.

    I don’t know what the rules were for loan guarantees.

    But in the end, the motive for the holds is what truly matters. If the president or Vice President were motivated by personal benefit, then it’s corrupt. I think there’s evidence that Trump was acting for himself and no evidence Biden was acting for himself.
     
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    Let's look at this from that angle.

    The "Gift" that Biden was threatening to withhold was a gift from Congress and it would have been Congress that would have cancelled or withheld it. Not Biden or even President Obama. Biden had the full support of the Republican Congress for his action.

    The "Gift" that Rump was withholding was a "Gift" authorized already by Congress. It wasn't his to deny. He could only delay it until the time ran out to get it to Ukraine. The money was from Congress, not Rump. Rump used it for a personal favor request from a country that is scared shitless (and reasonably so) to grant him that personal favor.

    What part of that don't you understand?
     
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    The WHY, is if Hunter was not even qualified and making all that money.... then the next step would be to look into if the prosecutor who Biden had fired by withholding a Billion dollars was actually looking into that company's business dealings. THAT would be a real Quid Pro Quo if an American Vice president had a foreigner fired to cover for his son or for himself
     
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    All financial obligations have to be appropriated by congress, but they quite often build in conditions. But your opinion is irrelevant because you can't provide one Trump quote where he asked for anything for himself. Words and context have meaning, your opinion, not so much.

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    I can probably find it but I’m going to have to dig through hundreds of pages of Laura Cooper’s testimony. It was DOD, not DoJ that certified. Why do you ask?
     
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    Post the law that authorized the military aid, along with the conditions congress placed on the aid. Let's see what latitude the appropriation gave the administration and if Trumps delay violated those conditions, with the 55 day hold.

    Also show me where the president is required, by the Constitution, to spend every dime congress appropriates.

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    Yes, they do build in conditions. Those conditions were met according to the DOD.

    Trump asked for an investigation into Joe Biden. That was clearly for his benefit. Not ours.
     
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    Simple, were the certs done before or after the new Ukraine admin was seated, including the new parliament.

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