Joe Biden's Ukraine Scandal

Why is Joe Biden being allowed to getaway with his Ukraine Scandal?
The Press is covering up Biden's crimes, and making up scandals about President Trump.
Should there is a formal investigation?
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How many people pushing the story on this Ukrainian scandal are either indicted or under federal investigation?

A lot.


Are you saying Biden didn't violate the UN charter by meddling in the internal affairs of another country?

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He did not. Read the charter. That’s one of the sillier talking points that has come out of this.


All member states “shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state…”

“Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter…”

Illegal US Meddling in Affairs of Other Countries - Stephen Lendman

I guess you don't think threatening the economy of a member of the UN isn't considered force. That's exactly what Biden did and it's only part of the story of the Bidens in Ukraine. Such as Biden meeting with Devon Archer in the WH and 2 days later baby Biden got the job on the Burisma board. Do you really think that was a coincidence?

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Your moron only threatened the safety and the lives of those in Ukraine by holding back monies already agreed to by congress The pos should rot in jail along with Giuliani


What the hell are you smoking child? It would be irresponsible of the the Trump administration to release the money to a newly minted administration in Ukraine until they got a feel for the direction Ukraine was headed. That would include the new parliament which hadn't instituted the new reforms until after the call with Zelensky.

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How many people pushing the story on this Ukrainian scandal are either indicted or under federal investigation?

A lot.


Are you saying Biden didn't violate the UN charter by meddling in the internal affairs of another country?

.

He did not. Read the charter. That’s one of the sillier talking points that has come out of this.


All member states “shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state…”

“Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter…”

Illegal US Meddling in Affairs of Other Countries - Stephen Lendman

I guess you don't think threatening the economy of a member of the UN isn't considered force. That's exactly what Biden did and it's only part of the story of the Bidens in Ukraine. Such as Biden meeting with Devon Archer in the WH and 2 days later baby Biden got the job on the Burisma board. Do you really think that was a coincidence?

.
Your moron only threatened the safety and the lives of those in Ukraine by holding back monies already agreed to by congress The pos should rot in jail along with Giuliani


What the hell are you smoking child? It would be irresponsible of the the Trump administration to release the money to a newly minted administration in Ukraine until they got a feel for the direction Ukraine was headed. That would include the new parliament which hadn't instituted the new reforms until after the call with Zelensky.

.

Didn't the OMB and DOD already go through and certify that Ukraine was heading in the right direction?
 
How many people pushing the story on this Ukrainian scandal are either indicted or under federal investigation?

A lot.


Are you saying Biden didn't violate the UN charter by meddling in the internal affairs of another country?

.

He did not. Read the charter. That’s one of the sillier talking points that has come out of this.


All member states “shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state…”

“Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter…”

Illegal US Meddling in Affairs of Other Countries - Stephen Lendman

I guess you don't think threatening the economy of a member of the UN isn't considered force. That's exactly what Biden did and it's only part of the story of the Bidens in Ukraine. Such as Biden meeting with Devon Archer in the WH and 2 days later baby Biden got the job on the Burisma board. Do you really think that was a coincidence?

.
Your moron only threatened the safety and the lives of those in Ukraine by holding back monies already agreed to by congress The pos should rot in jail along with Giuliani


What the hell are you smoking child? It would be irresponsible of the the Trump administration to release the money to a newly minted administration in Ukraine until they got a feel for the direction Ukraine was headed. That would include the new parliament which hadn't instituted the new reforms until after the call with Zelensky.

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It wasn't for him to refuse It was voted on with a bi partisan vote He's a slime bag and cost the lives of many
 
Why is Joe Biden being allowed to getaway with his Ukraine Scandal?
The Press is covering up Biden's crimes, and making up scandals about President Trump.
Should there is a formal investigation?
View attachment 293715

How many people pushing the story on this Ukrainian scandal are either indicted or under federal investigation?

A lot.


Are you saying Biden didn't violate the UN charter by meddling in the internal affairs of another country?

.

He did not. Read the charter. That’s one of the sillier talking points that has come out of this.


All member states “shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state…”

“Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter…”

Illegal US Meddling in Affairs of Other Countries - Stephen Lendman

I guess you don't think threatening the economy of a member of the UN isn't considered force. That's exactly what Biden did and it's only part of the story of the Bidens in Ukraine. Such as Biden meeting with Devon Archer in the WH and 2 days later baby Biden got the job on the Burisma board. Do you really think that was a coincidence?

.

Let me get this straight. The aid the Biden was threatening to withhold was a gift. Are you saying NOT giving someone a gift is considered a threat or use of force?

That's kind of ridiculous, wouldn't you say?


Actually what Biden threatened to withhold was a loan guarantee, and without it the Ukraine economy could have collapsed, and the aid the Trump administration held for 55 days was an actual gift, there were no strings that anything needed to be repaid.

.
 
How many people pushing the story on this Ukrainian scandal are either indicted or under federal investigation?

A lot.


Are you saying Biden didn't violate the UN charter by meddling in the internal affairs of another country?

.

He did not. Read the charter. That’s one of the sillier talking points that has come out of this.


All member states “shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state…”

“Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter…”

Illegal US Meddling in Affairs of Other Countries - Stephen Lendman

I guess you don't think threatening the economy of a member of the UN isn't considered force. That's exactly what Biden did and it's only part of the story of the Bidens in Ukraine. Such as Biden meeting with Devon Archer in the WH and 2 days later baby Biden got the job on the Burisma board. Do you really think that was a coincidence?

.

Let me get this straight. The aid the Biden was threatening to withhold was a gift. Are you saying NOT giving someone a gift is considered a threat or use of force?

That's kind of ridiculous, wouldn't you say?


Actually what Biden threatened to withhold was a loan guarantee, and without it the Ukraine economy could have collapsed, and the aid the Trump administration held for 55 days was an actual gift, there were no strings that anything needed to be repaid.

.
A loan guarantee is still a gift. It is a thing of value which we were not obligated to give them in any way. It cannot be considered a threat or use of force to withhold something that which we have ZERO obligation to provide.
 
Are you saying Biden didn't violate the UN charter by meddling in the internal affairs of another country?

.

He did not. Read the charter. That’s one of the sillier talking points that has come out of this.


All member states “shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state…”

“Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter…”

Illegal US Meddling in Affairs of Other Countries - Stephen Lendman

I guess you don't think threatening the economy of a member of the UN isn't considered force. That's exactly what Biden did and it's only part of the story of the Bidens in Ukraine. Such as Biden meeting with Devon Archer in the WH and 2 days later baby Biden got the job on the Burisma board. Do you really think that was a coincidence?

.
Your moron only threatened the safety and the lives of those in Ukraine by holding back monies already agreed to by congress The pos should rot in jail along with Giuliani


What the hell are you smoking child? It would be irresponsible of the the Trump administration to release the money to a newly minted administration in Ukraine until they got a feel for the direction Ukraine was headed. That would include the new parliament which hadn't instituted the new reforms until after the call with Zelensky.

.

Didn't the OMB and DOD already go through and certify that Ukraine was heading in the right direction?


How could they have, Zelensky had only been in office two months, and the new parliament hadn't been seated, no one knew for sure where the country was headed.

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Why is Joe Biden being allowed to getaway with his Ukraine Scandal?
The Press is covering up Biden's crimes, and making up scandals about President Trump.
Should there is a formal investigation?


Joe Biden did nothing wrong. The "Ukraine Scandal" is all about President Trump trying to extort the Ukrainian President into announcing fake investigations into a made-up conspiracy theory.

How is the press making this up, when Trump himself has confessed to doing it, as has his Chief of Staff, and his attorney?
wouldnt want you to spend the rest of your life being an ignorant moron,,,


 
He did not. Read the charter. That’s one of the sillier talking points that has come out of this.


All member states “shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state…”

“Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter…”

Illegal US Meddling in Affairs of Other Countries - Stephen Lendman

I guess you don't think threatening the economy of a member of the UN isn't considered force. That's exactly what Biden did and it's only part of the story of the Bidens in Ukraine. Such as Biden meeting with Devon Archer in the WH and 2 days later baby Biden got the job on the Burisma board. Do you really think that was a coincidence?

.
Your moron only threatened the safety and the lives of those in Ukraine by holding back monies already agreed to by congress The pos should rot in jail along with Giuliani


What the hell are you smoking child? It would be irresponsible of the the Trump administration to release the money to a newly minted administration in Ukraine until they got a feel for the direction Ukraine was headed. That would include the new parliament which hadn't instituted the new reforms until after the call with Zelensky.

.

Didn't the OMB and DOD already go through and certify that Ukraine was heading in the right direction?


How could they have, Zelensky had only been in office two months, and the new parliament hadn't been seated, no one knew for sure where the country was headed.

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No one knows to this day where the country is headed, but the OMB had already certified that they were making significant forward progress before Trump put the freeze on it. At no point in time did Trump communicate demands regarding government reform as a reason for the hold. Nor was it his position to do so unilaterally. In order to actually hold the money which was appropriated by Congress, he would have to submit his reasons to Congress for approval. That never happened.

It seems like this is an excuse made after the fact with no contemporaneous facts to support it.
 
Are you saying Biden didn't violate the UN charter by meddling in the internal affairs of another country?

.

He did not. Read the charter. That’s one of the sillier talking points that has come out of this.


All member states “shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state…”

“Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter…”

Illegal US Meddling in Affairs of Other Countries - Stephen Lendman

I guess you don't think threatening the economy of a member of the UN isn't considered force. That's exactly what Biden did and it's only part of the story of the Bidens in Ukraine. Such as Biden meeting with Devon Archer in the WH and 2 days later baby Biden got the job on the Burisma board. Do you really think that was a coincidence?

.

Let me get this straight. The aid the Biden was threatening to withhold was a gift. Are you saying NOT giving someone a gift is considered a threat or use of force?

That's kind of ridiculous, wouldn't you say?


Actually what Biden threatened to withhold was a loan guarantee, and without it the Ukraine economy could have collapsed, and the aid the Trump administration held for 55 days was an actual gift, there were no strings that anything needed to be repaid.

.
A loan guarantee is still a gift. It is a thing of value which we were not obligated to give them in any way. It cannot be considered a threat or use of force to withhold something that which we have ZERO obligation to provide.


Ok, let's go with that, military aid is a gift also, you can't have it both ways. If Biden can withhold a gift, so can Trump.

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All member states “shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state…”

“Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter…”

Illegal US Meddling in Affairs of Other Countries - Stephen Lendman

I guess you don't think threatening the economy of a member of the UN isn't considered force. That's exactly what Biden did and it's only part of the story of the Bidens in Ukraine. Such as Biden meeting with Devon Archer in the WH and 2 days later baby Biden got the job on the Burisma board. Do you really think that was a coincidence?

.
Your moron only threatened the safety and the lives of those in Ukraine by holding back monies already agreed to by congress The pos should rot in jail along with Giuliani


What the hell are you smoking child? It would be irresponsible of the the Trump administration to release the money to a newly minted administration in Ukraine until they got a feel for the direction Ukraine was headed. That would include the new parliament which hadn't instituted the new reforms until after the call with Zelensky.

.

Didn't the OMB and DOD already go through and certify that Ukraine was heading in the right direction?


How could they have, Zelensky had only been in office two months, and the new parliament hadn't been seated, no one knew for sure where the country was headed.

.

No one knows to this day where the country is headed, but the OMB had already certified that they were making significant forward progress before Trump put the freeze on it. At no point in time did Trump communicate demands regarding government reform as a reason for the hold. Nor was it his position to do so unilaterally. In order to actually hold the money which was appropriated by Congress, he would have to submit his reasons to Congress for approval. That never happened.

It seems like this is an excuse made after the fact with no contemporaneous facts to support it.


So what were the dates of the OMB and DOJ certifications? You keep making these claims, time to back them up with links.

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Why is Joe Biden being allowed to getaway with his Ukraine Scandal?
The Press is covering up Biden's crimes, and making up scandals about President Trump.
Should there is a formal investigation?
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Nice Meme, Ivan. How's the weather in Moscow. Just look out the window and tell us what you see. Oh, did you say that's it's sunny and nice or that it's gloomy and that guard that just told you to get away from the window didn't help the mood either.


yeah sure, nothing to see there. I just did a real quick search on the average board of directors salary in the U.S. and it's roughly 80+ K a year. Bidens son was making $80,000 a month as the son of a vice president.
It needs to be looked into whether or not Hunter was qualified for this position and if he isnt... it needs to be looked into as to why he was getting paid so much money.

Then it's the Company that needs to look into it, not any Government outside of the Ukrainian Government. And then the only question comes up is why you are worried about it since it's not your dime.
 
He did not. Read the charter. That’s one of the sillier talking points that has come out of this.


All member states “shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state…”

“Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter…”

Illegal US Meddling in Affairs of Other Countries - Stephen Lendman

I guess you don't think threatening the economy of a member of the UN isn't considered force. That's exactly what Biden did and it's only part of the story of the Bidens in Ukraine. Such as Biden meeting with Devon Archer in the WH and 2 days later baby Biden got the job on the Burisma board. Do you really think that was a coincidence?

.

Let me get this straight. The aid the Biden was threatening to withhold was a gift. Are you saying NOT giving someone a gift is considered a threat or use of force?

That's kind of ridiculous, wouldn't you say?


Actually what Biden threatened to withhold was a loan guarantee, and without it the Ukraine economy could have collapsed, and the aid the Trump administration held for 55 days was an actual gift, there were no strings that anything needed to be repaid.

.
A loan guarantee is still a gift. It is a thing of value which we were not obligated to give them in any way. It cannot be considered a threat or use of force to withhold something that which we have ZERO obligation to provide.


Ok, let's go with that, military aid is a gift also, you can't have it both ways. If Biden can withhold a gift, so can Trump.

.

Well, military aid was a congressional appropriation so Trump has limited options since he doesn’t have authority to undo a law passed by Congress.

I don’t know what the rules were for loan guarantees.

But in the end, the motive for the holds is what truly matters. If the president or Vice President were motivated by personal benefit, then it’s corrupt. I think there’s evidence that Trump was acting for himself and no evidence Biden was acting for himself.
 
He did not. Read the charter. That’s one of the sillier talking points that has come out of this.


All member states “shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state…”

“Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter…”

Illegal US Meddling in Affairs of Other Countries - Stephen Lendman

I guess you don't think threatening the economy of a member of the UN isn't considered force. That's exactly what Biden did and it's only part of the story of the Bidens in Ukraine. Such as Biden meeting with Devon Archer in the WH and 2 days later baby Biden got the job on the Burisma board. Do you really think that was a coincidence?

.

Let me get this straight. The aid the Biden was threatening to withhold was a gift. Are you saying NOT giving someone a gift is considered a threat or use of force?

That's kind of ridiculous, wouldn't you say?


Actually what Biden threatened to withhold was a loan guarantee, and without it the Ukraine economy could have collapsed, and the aid the Trump administration held for 55 days was an actual gift, there were no strings that anything needed to be repaid.

.
A loan guarantee is still a gift. It is a thing of value which we were not obligated to give them in any way. It cannot be considered a threat or use of force to withhold something that which we have ZERO obligation to provide.


Ok, let's go with that, military aid is a gift also, you can't have it both ways. If Biden can withhold a gift, so can Trump.

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Let's look at this from that angle.

The "Gift" that Biden was threatening to withhold was a gift from Congress and it would have been Congress that would have cancelled or withheld it. Not Biden or even President Obama. Biden had the full support of the Republican Congress for his action.

The "Gift" that Rump was withholding was a "Gift" authorized already by Congress. It wasn't his to deny. He could only delay it until the time ran out to get it to Ukraine. The money was from Congress, not Rump. Rump used it for a personal favor request from a country that is scared shitless (and reasonably so) to grant him that personal favor.

What part of that don't you understand?
 
Why is Joe Biden being allowed to getaway with his Ukraine Scandal?
The Press is covering up Biden's crimes, and making up scandals about President Trump.
Should there is a formal investigation?
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Nice Meme, Ivan. How's the weather in Moscow. Just look out the window and tell us what you see. Oh, did you say that's it's sunny and nice or that it's gloomy and that guard that just told you to get away from the window didn't help the mood either.


yeah sure, nothing to see there. I just did a real quick search on the average board of directors salary in the U.S. and it's roughly 80+ K a year. Bidens son was making $80,000 a month as the son of a vice president.
It needs to be looked into whether or not Hunter was qualified for this position and if he isnt... it needs to be looked into as to why he was getting paid so much money.

Then it's the Company that needs to look into it, not any Government outside of the Ukrainian Government. And then the only question comes up is why you are worried about it since it's not your dime.


The WHY, is if Hunter was not even qualified and making all that money.... then the next step would be to look into if the prosecutor who Biden had fired by withholding a Billion dollars was actually looking into that company's business dealings. THAT would be a real Quid Pro Quo if an American Vice president had a foreigner fired to cover for his son or for himself
 
All member states “shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state…”

“Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter…”

Illegal US Meddling in Affairs of Other Countries - Stephen Lendman

I guess you don't think threatening the economy of a member of the UN isn't considered force. That's exactly what Biden did and it's only part of the story of the Bidens in Ukraine. Such as Biden meeting with Devon Archer in the WH and 2 days later baby Biden got the job on the Burisma board. Do you really think that was a coincidence?

.

Let me get this straight. The aid the Biden was threatening to withhold was a gift. Are you saying NOT giving someone a gift is considered a threat or use of force?

That's kind of ridiculous, wouldn't you say?


Actually what Biden threatened to withhold was a loan guarantee, and without it the Ukraine economy could have collapsed, and the aid the Trump administration held for 55 days was an actual gift, there were no strings that anything needed to be repaid.

.
A loan guarantee is still a gift. It is a thing of value which we were not obligated to give them in any way. It cannot be considered a threat or use of force to withhold something that which we have ZERO obligation to provide.


Ok, let's go with that, military aid is a gift also, you can't have it both ways. If Biden can withhold a gift, so can Trump.

.

Well, military aid was a congressional appropriation so Trump has limited options since he doesn’t have authority to undo a law passed by Congress.

I don’t know what the rules were for loan guarantees.

But in the end, the motive for the holds is what truly matters. If the president or Vice President were motivated by personal benefit, then it’s corrupt. I think there’s evidence that Trump was acting for himself and no evidence Biden was acting for himself.


All financial obligations have to be appropriated by congress, but they quite often build in conditions. But your opinion is irrelevant because you can't provide one Trump quote where he asked for anything for himself. Words and context have meaning, your opinion, not so much.

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Why is Joe Biden being allowed to getaway with his Ukraine Scandal?
The Press is covering up Biden's crimes, and making up scandals about President Trump.
Should there is a formal investigation?


Joe Biden did nothing wrong. The "Ukraine Scandal" is all about President Trump trying to extort the Ukrainian President into announcing fake investigations into a made-up conspiracy theory.

How is the press making this up, when Trump himself has confessed to doing it, as has his Chief of Staff, and his attorney?
 
Your moron only threatened the safety and the lives of those in Ukraine by holding back monies already agreed to by congress The pos should rot in jail along with Giuliani


What the hell are you smoking child? It would be irresponsible of the the Trump administration to release the money to a newly minted administration in Ukraine until they got a feel for the direction Ukraine was headed. That would include the new parliament which hadn't instituted the new reforms until after the call with Zelensky.

.

Didn't the OMB and DOD already go through and certify that Ukraine was heading in the right direction?


How could they have, Zelensky had only been in office two months, and the new parliament hadn't been seated, no one knew for sure where the country was headed.

.

No one knows to this day where the country is headed, but the OMB had already certified that they were making significant forward progress before Trump put the freeze on it. At no point in time did Trump communicate demands regarding government reform as a reason for the hold. Nor was it his position to do so unilaterally. In order to actually hold the money which was appropriated by Congress, he would have to submit his reasons to Congress for approval. That never happened.

It seems like this is an excuse made after the fact with no contemporaneous facts to support it.


So what were the dates of the OMB and DOJ certifications? You keep making these claims, time to back them up with links.

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I can probably find it but I’m going to have to dig through hundreds of pages of Laura Cooper’s testimony. It was DOD, not DoJ that certified. Why do you ask?
 
All member states “shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state…”

“Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter…”

Illegal US Meddling in Affairs of Other Countries - Stephen Lendman

I guess you don't think threatening the economy of a member of the UN isn't considered force. That's exactly what Biden did and it's only part of the story of the Bidens in Ukraine. Such as Biden meeting with Devon Archer in the WH and 2 days later baby Biden got the job on the Burisma board. Do you really think that was a coincidence?

.

Let me get this straight. The aid the Biden was threatening to withhold was a gift. Are you saying NOT giving someone a gift is considered a threat or use of force?

That's kind of ridiculous, wouldn't you say?


Actually what Biden threatened to withhold was a loan guarantee, and without it the Ukraine economy could have collapsed, and the aid the Trump administration held for 55 days was an actual gift, there were no strings that anything needed to be repaid.

.
A loan guarantee is still a gift. It is a thing of value which we were not obligated to give them in any way. It cannot be considered a threat or use of force to withhold something that which we have ZERO obligation to provide.


Ok, let's go with that, military aid is a gift also, you can't have it both ways. If Biden can withhold a gift, so can Trump.

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Let's look at this from that angle.

The "Gift" that Biden was threatening to withhold was a gift from Congress and it would have been Congress that would have cancelled or withheld it. Not Biden or even President Obama. Biden had the full support of the Republican Congress for his action.

The "Gift" that Rump was withholding was a "Gift" authorized already by Congress. It wasn't his to deny. He could only delay it until the time ran out to get it to Ukraine. The money was from Congress, not Rump. Rump used it for a personal favor request from a country that is scared shitless (and reasonably so) to grant him that personal favor.

What part of that don't you understand?


Post the law that authorized the military aid, along with the conditions congress placed on the aid. Let's see what latitude the appropriation gave the administration and if Trumps delay violated those conditions, with the 55 day hold.

Also show me where the president is required, by the Constitution, to spend every dime congress appropriates.

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Let me get this straight. The aid the Biden was threatening to withhold was a gift. Are you saying NOT giving someone a gift is considered a threat or use of force?

That's kind of ridiculous, wouldn't you say?


Actually what Biden threatened to withhold was a loan guarantee, and without it the Ukraine economy could have collapsed, and the aid the Trump administration held for 55 days was an actual gift, there were no strings that anything needed to be repaid.

.
A loan guarantee is still a gift. It is a thing of value which we were not obligated to give them in any way. It cannot be considered a threat or use of force to withhold something that which we have ZERO obligation to provide.


Ok, let's go with that, military aid is a gift also, you can't have it both ways. If Biden can withhold a gift, so can Trump.

.

Well, military aid was a congressional appropriation so Trump has limited options since he doesn’t have authority to undo a law passed by Congress.

I don’t know what the rules were for loan guarantees.

But in the end, the motive for the holds is what truly matters. If the president or Vice President were motivated by personal benefit, then it’s corrupt. I think there’s evidence that Trump was acting for himself and no evidence Biden was acting for himself.


All financial obligations have to be appropriated by congress, but they quite often build in conditions. But your opinion is irrelevant because you can't provide one Trump quote where he asked for anything for himself. Words and context have meaning, your opinion, not so much.

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Yes, they do build in conditions. Those conditions were met according to the DOD.

Trump asked for an investigation into Joe Biden. That was clearly for his benefit. Not ours.
 
What the hell are you smoking child? It would be irresponsible of the the Trump administration to release the money to a newly minted administration in Ukraine until they got a feel for the direction Ukraine was headed. That would include the new parliament which hadn't instituted the new reforms until after the call with Zelensky.

.

Didn't the OMB and DOD already go through and certify that Ukraine was heading in the right direction?


How could they have, Zelensky had only been in office two months, and the new parliament hadn't been seated, no one knew for sure where the country was headed.

.

No one knows to this day where the country is headed, but the OMB had already certified that they were making significant forward progress before Trump put the freeze on it. At no point in time did Trump communicate demands regarding government reform as a reason for the hold. Nor was it his position to do so unilaterally. In order to actually hold the money which was appropriated by Congress, he would have to submit his reasons to Congress for approval. That never happened.

It seems like this is an excuse made after the fact with no contemporaneous facts to support it.


So what were the dates of the OMB and DOJ certifications? You keep making these claims, time to back them up with links.

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I can probably find it but I’m going to have to dig through hundreds of pages of Laura Cooper’s testimony. It was DOD, not DoJ that certified. Why do you ask?


Simple, were the certs done before or after the new Ukraine admin was seated, including the new parliament.

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