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People do get to make choices along the way but the pattern was set before they were.As in, "Let us make man".Adam being a human, meaning each of us humans has the hosts of heaven and the hosts earth in them when they receive breath. The Bible gives us the insight to those portions in us that came with the eternal breath of life.There is only one soul (Adam).How many spiritual portions (hosts) are in the make up a singular human soul? That is where the answer is.G'hinom is the eternal (?) absence of a connection between the soul and The Lord.
As in, you can never (?) have the latest gadget.
There are some kabbalists who claim that one soul can retrieve another soul from G'hinom.
There are some christian sects that teach that also.
We are comprised of slivers of that soul.
That's why we must respect our fellow humans because our souls will ultimately unite.
The non-free will universe chipped in to make man.
Then God breathed into that physical being a flow of God's breathe.
You and Irish Ram have one thing in common...Ok, so you pick out a verse and run with it, and ignore the rest of the Jew's saga? Israel and the Jews are Christ's inheritance and God keeps his promise to his friend Abraham. In fact to make sure His promise is kept, God seals 144,000 Jews from all 12 tribes to insure His promise is kept. Just like Cain, the seal will keep them from harm during WW3.
Where do you think the Mount of Olives is? Because Christ returns there. He judges nations on behalf of Israel. Did you gloss over those verses in order to get to the reliance on self for understanding the LoF part? You failed miserably.
The Lord sets his Kingdom up in the same spot King David did. No where in the Bible does it say the Jews are removed to the lake of fire. Nowhere. No where. The Jews are God's elect. The church is the Bride of Christ. Two completely different groups. And both will take their place in HIS Temple. The candlesticks are Gentiles from Paul's churches, and the Jews welcome their Messiah, Rabbi Jesus, back home.
Which verse says unbelieving Jews are part of God's election? John 8:44? It's not there. Your theology is an anti-Christian lie. These Jews on this forum aren't even descendants of Jacob. They're Talmudists and you are don't know anything about them, except lies. Jesus has already come, and he has already stood on the Mt. of Olives. Jesus has already set up his kingdom. Christians are his elect.
Revelation 20:15, the Jews are thrown into the lake of fire. Those outside of Christ parish.
Christianity is also supposed to teach that one should continually be spiritually minded and walk in the spirit too but alas we do have that son of man portion, the son of perdition portion we must overcome and the carnally minded choices along the way can get in the way at times and we get reminders if we are not totally dead to the spirit (asleep as in the walking dead).People do get to make choices along the way but the pattern was set before they were.As in, "Let us make man".Adam being a human, meaning each of us humans has the hosts of heaven and the hosts earth in them when they receive breath. The Bible gives us the insight to those portions in us that came with the eternal breath of life.There is only one soul (Adam).How many spiritual portions (hosts) are in the make up a singular human soul? That is where the answer is.
There are some christian sects that teach that also.
We are comprised of slivers of that soul.
That's why we must respect our fellow humans because our souls will ultimately unite.
The non-free will universe chipped in to make man.
Then God breathed into that physical being a flow of God's breathe.
Some kabbalists explain that our soul is affected by our emotional reaction to God.
In order for the soul to develop to it's full potential, one must constantly be mindful of God every moment of their lives,
Coincidence does not exist.
Why not just link to a copy of it on the innernetz? Better than just taking isolated quotes when you read the entire discussion in the Talmud on that topic.
the Talmud isn't the Bible, by the way; it's a series of intellectual exegeses on various issues, and not considered 'holy writ' or anything. There are two of them, as well, the Jerusalem, or 'Palestinian', and the Babylonian.
Thank you for your lies. Your lies help all of us know Jews better. The Talmud is more than a series of "intellectual exegesis on various issues". It is considered "holy writ" in that it contains what Jews call the "oral Torah". And, that exegesis you speak of is authoritative and is what defines so-called Jews today, not as the messianic and priestly people of the Old Testament but as Antichrist, ethno-Supremacists children of Satan.
Jew, we all see your shameless dodging. No Christian when asked for Bible verses on a topic would even consider replying instead with a suggestion for a link to the whole Bible.
You and Irish Ram have one thing in common...Ok, so you pick out a verse and run with it, and ignore the rest of the Jew's saga? Israel and the Jews are Christ's inheritance and God keeps his promise to his friend Abraham. In fact to make sure His promise is kept, God seals 144,000 Jews from all 12 tribes to insure His promise is kept. Just like Cain, the seal will keep them from harm during WW3.
Where do you think the Mount of Olives is? Because Christ returns there. He judges nations on behalf of Israel. Did you gloss over those verses in order to get to the reliance on self for understanding the LoF part? You failed miserably.
The Lord sets his Kingdom up in the same spot King David did. No where in the Bible does it say the Jews are removed to the lake of fire. Nowhere. No where. The Jews are God's elect. The church is the Bride of Christ. Two completely different groups. And both will take their place in HIS Temple. The candlesticks are Gentiles from Paul's churches, and the Jews welcome their Messiah, Rabbi Jesus, back home.
Which verse says unbelieving Jews are part of God's election? John 8:44? It's not there. Your theology is an anti-Christian lie. These Jews on this forum aren't even descendants of Jacob. They're Talmudists and you are don't know anything about them, except lies. Jesus has already come, and he has already stood on the Mt. of Olives. Jesus has already set up his kingdom. Christians are his elect.
Revelation 20:15, the Jews are thrown into the lake of fire. Those outside of Christ parish.
Neither one of you has the faintest idea of what you're talking about.
Most Catholic beliefs are non-Scriptural Dogma.You and Irish Ram have one thing in common...Ok, so you pick out a verse and run with it, and ignore the rest of the Jew's saga? Israel and the Jews are Christ's inheritance and God keeps his promise to his friend Abraham. In fact to make sure His promise is kept, God seals 144,000 Jews from all 12 tribes to insure His promise is kept. Just like Cain, the seal will keep them from harm during WW3.
Where do you think the Mount of Olives is? Because Christ returns there. He judges nations on behalf of Israel. Did you gloss over those verses in order to get to the reliance on self for understanding the LoF part? You failed miserably.
The Lord sets his Kingdom up in the same spot King David did. No where in the Bible does it say the Jews are removed to the lake of fire. Nowhere. No where. The Jews are God's elect. The church is the Bride of Christ. Two completely different groups. And both will take their place in HIS Temple. The candlesticks are Gentiles from Paul's churches, and the Jews welcome their Messiah, Rabbi Jesus, back home.
Which verse says unbelieving Jews are part of God's election? John 8:44? It's not there. Your theology is an anti-Christian lie. These Jews on this forum aren't even descendants of Jacob. They're Talmudists and you are don't know anything about them, except lies. Jesus has already come, and he has already stood on the Mt. of Olives. Jesus has already set up his kingdom. Christians are his elect.
Revelation 20:15, the Jews are thrown into the lake of fire. Those outside of Christ parish.
Neither one of you has the faintest idea of what you're talking about.
What I said is Biblical. What you said is a product of your own imagination. It is why God tells us NOT to lean on our own understanding. So did you just scratch out the part in the Bible about the 144,000 or Christ touching down IN ISRAEL? Or judging the Nations based on how they treated Israel? Or God's covenant with Abraham? Or David being the Apple of God's eye? Or Israel being Christ's inheritance? Where in the Bible does it say that Christ throws his inheritance into the lake of fire? I can't find it.
And the New Jerusalem will descend from Heaven, after the White Throne Judgement. (I know, I know, What's the White Throne Judgement?? You people really need a working understanding of the Bible before you just plow ahead with your version of it.) We are told who, what, when, where, how and even the dimensions of it. Well, some of us were told, anyway..
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You and Irish Ram have one thing in common...Ok, so you pick out a verse and run with it, and ignore the rest of the Jew's saga? Israel and the Jews are Christ's inheritance and God keeps his promise to his friend Abraham. In fact to make sure His promise is kept, God seals 144,000 Jews from all 12 tribes to insure His promise is kept. Just like Cain, the seal will keep them from harm during WW3.
Where do you think the Mount of Olives is? Because Christ returns there. He judges nations on behalf of Israel. Did you gloss over those verses in order to get to the reliance on self for understanding the LoF part? You failed miserably.
The Lord sets his Kingdom up in the same spot King David did. No where in the Bible does it say the Jews are removed to the lake of fire. Nowhere. No where. The Jews are God's elect. The church is the Bride of Christ. Two completely different groups. And both will take their place in HIS Temple. The candlesticks are Gentiles from Paul's churches, and the Jews welcome their Messiah, Rabbi Jesus, back home.
Which verse says unbelieving Jews are part of God's election? John 8:44? It's not there. Your theology is an anti-Christian lie. These Jews on this forum aren't even descendants of Jacob. They're Talmudists and you are don't know anything about them, except lies. Jesus has already come, and he has already stood on the Mt. of Olives. Jesus has already set up his kingdom. Christians are his elect.
Revelation 20:15, the Jews are thrown into the lake of fire. Those outside of Christ parish.
Neither one of you has the faintest idea of what you're talking about.
Revelation 21:8You and Irish Ram have one thing in common...Ok, so you pick out a verse and run with it, and ignore the rest of the Jew's saga? Israel and the Jews are Christ's inheritance and God keeps his promise to his friend Abraham. In fact to make sure His promise is kept, God seals 144,000 Jews from all 12 tribes to insure His promise is kept. Just like Cain, the seal will keep them from harm during WW3.
Where do you think the Mount of Olives is? Because Christ returns there. He judges nations on behalf of Israel. Did you gloss over those verses in order to get to the reliance on self for understanding the LoF part? You failed miserably.
The Lord sets his Kingdom up in the same spot King David did. No where in the Bible does it say the Jews are removed to the lake of fire. Nowhere. No where. The Jews are God's elect. The church is the Bride of Christ. Two completely different groups. And both will take their place in HIS Temple. The candlesticks are Gentiles from Paul's churches, and the Jews welcome their Messiah, Rabbi Jesus, back home.
Which verse says unbelieving Jews are part of God's election? John 8:44? It's not there. Your theology is an anti-Christian lie. These Jews on this forum aren't even descendants of Jacob. They're Talmudists and you are don't know anything about them, except lies. Jesus has already come, and he has already stood on the Mt. of Olives. Jesus has already set up his kingdom. Christians are his elect.
Revelation 20:15, the Jews are thrown into the lake of fire. Those outside of Christ parish.
Neither one of you has the faintest idea of what you're talking about.
I'll match my Biblical acumen against your any day!
There ya go adding to... Rev. makes no mention of the Jews, who accept Christ as their Messiah, being thrown anywhere. Stop leaning on your own damn understanding. The Jews are Christ's inheritance. And because the Muslims are also Abraham's children, they don't go anywhere either. Christ is nothing if not forgiving.
24In that day Israel will be the third party with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing in the midst of the earth, 25whom the LORD of hosts has blessed, saying, "Blessed is Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel My inheritance.
What part of Blessed do you think means eternity in the Lake of Fire??
Why not just link to a copy of it on the innernetz? Better than just taking isolated quotes when you read the entire discussion in the Talmud on that topic.
the Talmud isn't the Bible, by the way; it's a series of intellectual exegeses on various issues, and not considered 'holy writ' or anything. There are two of them, as well, the Jerusalem, or 'Palestinian', and the Babylonian.
Thank you for your lies. Your lies help all of us know Jews better. The Talmud is more than a series of "intellectual exegesis on various issues". It is considered "holy writ" in that it contains what Jews call the "oral Torah". And, that exegesis you speak of is authoritative and is what defines so-called Jews today, not as the messianic and priestly people of the Old Testament but as Antichrist, ethno-Supremacists children of Satan.
Jew, we all see your shameless dodging. No Christian when asked for Bible verses on a topic would even consider replying instead with a suggestion for a link to the whole Bible.
Talmud is NOT "the oral Bible". It's a Wiki of scholarly knowledge on biblical verse and making it RELEVANT to life issues. You didn't even know the difference when you started this thread. Which kinds of blows your credentials for the rest of the discussion.
Actually -- very LITTLE is actually resolved in the Talmud. It's DISCUSSION, not Biblical law. It's the Amicus Briefs of the actual Divine law and proclamations.
And a LOT of it is opinions that don't thoroughly agree. That's why viruses such as yourself should be more careful pulling quotes from it.
Since you claim the Talmud holds contempt for Star Worshippers, why not post some?Whatever you want to argue the Talmud is, how about some quotes showing love and kindness concerning gentiles?
Why not just link to a copy of it on the innernetz? Better than just taking isolated quotes when you read the entire discussion in the Talmud on that topic.
the Talmud isn't the Bible, by the way; it's a series of intellectual exegeses on various issues, and not considered 'holy writ' or anything. There are two of them, as well, the Jerusalem, or 'Palestinian', and the Babylonian.
Thank you for your lies. Your lies help all of us know Jews better. The Talmud is more than a series of "intellectual exegesis on various issues". It is considered "holy writ" in that it contains what Jews call the "oral Torah". And, that exegesis you speak of is authoritative and is what defines so-called Jews today, not as the messianic and priestly people of the Old Testament but as Antichrist, ethno-Supremacists children of Satan.
Jew, we all see your shameless dodging. No Christian when asked for Bible verses on a topic would even consider replying instead with a suggestion for a link to the whole Bible.
Talmud is NOT "the oral Bible". It's a Wiki of scholarly knowledge on biblical verse and making it RELEVANT to life issues. You didn't even know the difference when you started this thread. Which kinds of blows your credentials for the rest of the discussion.
Actually -- very LITTLE is actually resolved in the Talmud. It's DISCUSSION, not Biblical law. It's the Amicus Briefs of the actual Divine law and proclamations.
And a LOT of it is opinions that don't thoroughly agree. That's why viruses such as yourself should be more careful pulling quotes from it.
Adam and Chava (Eve) were on a much higher spiritual plane than anyone else after the "sin".Indeependent do you know why adam is given a covering when chased outta the garden of its own pleasures?
What I said is Biblical. What you said is a product of your own imagination. It is why God tells us NOT to lean on our own understanding. So did you just scratch out the part in the Bible about the 144,000 or Christ touching down IN ISRAEL? Or judging the Nations based on how they treated Israel? Or God's covenant with Abraham? Or David being the Apple of God's eye? Or Israel being Christ's inheritance? Where in the Bible does it say that Christ throws his inheritance into the lake of fire? I can't find it.
And the New Jerusalem will descend from Heaven, after the White Throne Judgement. (I know, I know, What's the White Throne Judgement?? You people really need a working understanding of the Bible before you just plow ahead with your version of it.) We are told who, what, when, where, how and even the dimensions of it. Well, some of us were told, anyway..
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Please show me where the very Jewish prophet Zachariah mentions Jesus in Chapter 14.What I said is Biblical. What you said is a product of your own imagination. It is why God tells us NOT to lean on our own understanding. So did you just scratch out the part in the Bible about the 144,000 or Christ touching down IN ISRAEL? Or judging the Nations based on how they treated Israel? Or God's covenant with Abraham? Or David being the Apple of God's eye? Or Israel being Christ's inheritance? Where in the Bible does it say that Christ throws his inheritance into the lake of fire? I can't find it.
And the New Jerusalem will descend from Heaven, after the White Throne Judgement. (I know, I know, What's the White Throne Judgement?? You people really need a working understanding of the Bible before you just plow ahead with your version of it.) We are told who, what, when, where, how and even the dimensions of it. Well, some of us were told, anyway..
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Nothing in the Bible says Jesus is going to "touch down in Israel" or anything like that. Zech 14 just says Jesus will stand on the Mt. of Olives, which he has already done.
Nothing in the Bible says the nations will judged according to how they treated "Israel". Gen 12 speaks of blessing Abraham, and the Church is Abraham's children.
God's covenant with Abraham doesn't cover his natural children, which is why Ishmael is excluded. If you were a Christian, or even if you read the New Testament, you'd know this. But, as it is, you just have some stupid excuse why Ishmael excluded. To boot, Talmudists, so-called Jews, are not Abraham's natural children.
You theology is an anti-christian lie, and you confuse your theology with the words of scripture.
And, still, no Jews have quoted anything kind or loving from the Talmud concerning gentiles. Why don't you google what the Talmud says about gentiles.
I have never heard of any it put that away. Eve is within adam, a portion of is how it can be taken out to show that it is a part within the human. The covering is given to the human for its soul will not die in its own shame. This covering is passed down in the history of the steps that the human soul goes through while it prospers in the spirit (grows spiritually and the host within multiply).Adam and Chava (Eve) were on a much higher spiritual plane than anyone else after the "sin".Indeependent do you know why adam is given a covering when chased outta the garden of its own pleasures?
God wants humans to strive for what our souls lost.
We cover our bodies to remind us that our temporary bodies are not as important as our immortal souls.
Do you know why your Ishmael portion is excluded?What I said is Biblical. What you said is a product of your own imagination. It is why God tells us NOT to lean on our own understanding. So did you just scratch out the part in the Bible about the 144,000 or Christ touching down IN ISRAEL? Or judging the Nations based on how they treated Israel? Or God's covenant with Abraham? Or David being the Apple of God's eye? Or Israel being Christ's inheritance? Where in the Bible does it say that Christ throws his inheritance into the lake of fire? I can't find it.
And the New Jerusalem will descend from Heaven, after the White Throne Judgement. (I know, I know, What's the White Throne Judgement?? You people really need a working understanding of the Bible before you just plow ahead with your version of it.) We are told who, what, when, where, how and even the dimensions of it. Well, some of us were told, anyway..
.
Nothing in the Bible says Jesus is going to "touch down in Israel" or anything like that. Zech 14 just says Jesus will stand on the Mt. of Olives, which he has already done.
Nothing in the Bible says the nations will judged according to how they treated "Israel". Gen 12 speaks of blessing Abraham, and the Church is Abraham's children.
God's covenant with Abraham doesn't cover his natural children, which is why Ishmael is excluded. If you were a Christian, or even if you read the New Testament, you'd know this. But, as it is, you just have some stupid excuse why Ishmael excluded. To boot, Talmudists, so-called Jews, are not Abraham's natural children.
You theology is an anti-christian lie, and you confuse your theology with the words of scripture.
And, still, no Jews have quoted anything kind or loving from the Talmud concerning gentiles. Why don't you google what the Talmud says about gentiles.
A married couple is a merging of 2 half souls into 1 soul.I have never heard of any it put that away. Eve is within adam, a portion of is how it can be taken out to show that it is a part within the human. The covering is given to the human for its soul will not die in its own shame. This covering is passed down in the history of the steps that the human soul goes through while it prospers in the spirit (grows spiritually and the host within multiply).Adam and Chava (Eve) were on a much higher spiritual plane than anyone else after the "sin".Indeependent do you know why adam is given a covering when chased outta the garden of its own pleasures?
God wants humans to strive for what our souls lost.
We cover our bodies to remind us that our temporary bodies are not as important as our immortal souls.
I have heard a lot of christians say there is no marriage in heaven but I do know they are in error in that. True soul mates are not always an easy find here in this world.A married couple is a merging of 2 half souls into 1 soul.I have never heard of any it put that away. Eve is within adam, a portion of is how it can be taken out to show that it is a part within the human. The covering is given to the human for its soul will not die in its own shame. This covering is passed down in the history of the steps that the human soul goes through while it prospers in the spirit (grows spiritually and the host within multiply).Adam and Chava (Eve) were on a much higher spiritual plane than anyone else after the "sin".Indeependent do you know why adam is given a covering when chased outta the garden of its own pleasures?
God wants humans to strive for what our souls lost.
We cover our bodies to remind us that our temporary bodies are not as important as our immortal souls.
Why not just link to a copy of it on the innernetz? Better than just taking isolated quotes when you read the entire discussion in the Talmud on that topic.
the Talmud isn't the Bible, by the way; it's a series of intellectual exegeses on various issues, and not considered 'holy writ' or anything. There are two of them, as well, the Jerusalem, or 'Palestinian', and the Babylonian.
Thank you for your lies. Your lies help all of us know Jews better. The Talmud is more than a series of "intellectual exegesis on various issues". It is considered "holy writ" in that it contains what Jews call the "oral Torah". And, that exegesis you speak of is authoritative and is what defines so-called Jews today, not as the messianic and priestly people of the Old Testament but as Antichrist, ethno-Supremacists children of Satan.
Jew, we all see your shameless dodging. No Christian when asked for Bible verses on a topic would even consider replying instead with a suggestion for a link to the whole Bible.
What I said is Biblical. What you said is a product of your own imagination. It is why God tells us NOT to lean on our own understanding. So did you just scratch out the part in the Bible about the 144,000 or Christ touching down IN ISRAEL? Or judging the Nations based on how they treated Israel? Or God's covenant with Abraham? Or David being the Apple of God's eye? Or Israel being Christ's inheritance? Where in the Bible does it say that Christ throws his inheritance into the lake of fire? I can't find it.
And the New Jerusalem will descend from Heaven, after the White Throne Judgement. (I know, I know, What's the White Throne Judgement?? You people really need a working understanding of the Bible before you just plow ahead with your version of it.) We are told who, what, when, where, how and even the dimensions of it. Well, some of us were told, anyway..
.
Nothing in the Bible says Jesus is going to "touch down in Israel" or anything like that. Zech 14 just says Jesus will stand on the Mt. of Olives, which he has already done.
Nothing in the Bible says the nations will judged according to how they treated "Israel". Gen 12 speaks of blessing Abraham, and the Church is Abraham's children.
God's covenant with Abraham doesn't cover his natural children, which is why Ishmael is excluded. If you were a Christian, or even if you read the New Testament, you'd know this. But, as it is, you just have some stupid excuse why Ishmael excluded. To boot, Talmudists, so-called Jews, are not Abraham's natural children.
You theology is an anti-christian lie, and you confuse your theology with the words of scripture.
And, still, no Jews have quoted anything kind or loving from the Talmud concerning gentiles. Why don't you google what the Talmud says about gentiles.
