Jews for Justice..... If Americans really Knew

[Hossfly]

Have you ever thought that we have heard "the other side" many times before? Of course you have no interest in what is going on in the rest of the Middle East becaise anti-Zionist Leftist Jews like Allison Weir are not interested about what else is going on so they don't have anything to say on their sites?

Like I stated....whatever Weir writes is NOT for you.....but others, less biased may want to read what she and many others write or openly speak about......That is still allowed in the Zionist world, no, or have they've gone full Nazi on us?

Natty Boy, you are quite obvious. I have to laugh when you say those "less biased." Usually the ones who use sites like Allison Weir's are the ones who are really biased against Israel and the Jews. I hate to rain on your parade, but let me say it again. We have seen the same thing that Allison Weir's site says dozens of times throughout the years by those who are biased against Israel so what you are bringing up is nothing new to many of the readers here.

 

[nat4900]

Weir is simply a deranged kook. So stop humping my leg.

See, you found a fellow-dingbat in Skye......there must be lots of people like you two that don't want to hear anything to cloud or question your biases......and bigotry....just listen to Bibi and other Zionists.

 

[nat4900]

so what you are bringing up is nothing new to many of the readers here.

In other words, this forum is chuck full of fellow bigots like yourself?

WOW..........after joining, do the rest of us get to wear little hoods too?

 

[theliq]

The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict

The synopsis of a much longer article (below) was written by Jews who felt compelled to expose the Zionist agenda that has caused so much bloodshed in the former Palestine.


The standard Zionist position is that they showed up in Palestine in the late 19th century to reclaim their ancestral homeland. Jews bought land and started building up the Jewish community there. They were met with increasingly violent opposition from the Palestinian Arabs, presumably stemming from the Arabs’ inherent anti-Semitism. The Zionists were then forced to defend themselves and, in one form or another, this same situation continues up to today.

The problem with this explanation is that it is simply not true. What really happened was that the Zionist movement, from the beginning, looked forward to a practically complete dispossession of the indigenous Arab population so that Israel could be a wholly Jewish state, or as much as was possible. Land bought by the Jewish National Fund was held in the name of the Jewish people and could never be sold or even leased back to Arabs (a situation which continues to the present).

The Arab community, as it became increasingly aware of the Zionists’ intentions, strenuously opposed further Jewish immigration and land buying because it posed a real and imminent danger to the very existence of Arab society in Palestine. Because of this opposition, the entire Zionist project never could have been realized without the military backing of the British. The vast majority of the population of Palestine, by the way, had been Arabic since the seventh century A.D. (Over 1200 years)

In short, Zionism was based on a faulty, colonialist world view that the rights of the indigenous inhabitants didn’t matter. The Arabs’ opposition to Zionism wasn’t based on anti-Semitism but rather on a totally reasonable fear of the dispossession of their people.

One further point: being Jewish ourselves, the position we present here is critical of Zionism but is in no way anti-Semitic. We do not believe that the Jews acted worse than any other group might have acted in their situation. The Zionists (who were a distinct minority of the Jewish people until after WWII) had an understandable desire to establish a place where Jews could be masters of their own fate, given the bleak history of Jewish oppression. Especially as the danger to European Jewry crystalized in the late 1930’s and after, the actions of the Zionists were propelled by real desperation.

But so were the actions of the Arabs. The mythic “land without people for a people without land” was already home to 700,000 Palestinians in 1919. This is the root of the problem.

Moreover this saying was coined by a Zionist way back in 1890's.....it was Bullshit then,and Bigger Bullshit today........but A TYPICAL of the Zionist Terrorist Bullshit Mantra.....excellent Post by the way.....nat..steve

 

[Phoenall]

Maybe it was too much to read......???

Just fact. Jews came from Europe and dispossessed the local inhabitants of their land. Unless you believe the Jews had a right to dispossess the Christians and Muslims of their land and evict them, because the Jewish God said so, there isn't any justification for the dispossession.

EVIDENCE TO PROVE YOUR FANTASY as the Jews were invited and given the land by the legal owners. Nothing to do with any God all to do with man. And your God gave you the world and told you to kill the unbelievers didn't he

Jews were not invited and were never given land by the legal owners. You just make things up, as usual.

Here you go Abdul the facts that are set out in INTERNATIONAL LAW

The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate



The Palestine Mandate
The Council of the League of Nations:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and

Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and

Whereas by the afore-mentioned Article 22 (paragraph 8), it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League Of Nations;

confirming the said Mandate, defines its terms as follows:



ARTICLE 1.
The Mandatory shall have full powers of legislation and of administration, save as they may be limited by the terms of this mandate.

ART. 2.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

ART. 3.
The Mandatory shall, so far as circumstances permit, encourage local autonomy.

ART. 4.
An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

ART. 5.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of the Government of any foreign Power.

ART. 6.
The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.


So you see the Jews were invited by the lands legal owners and the land of Palestine left after forming Trans Jordan was to be the National home of the Jews.

Guess you don't like the truth and facts do you Abdul as they destroy your islamonazi propaganda

 

[Phoenall]

so what you are bringing up is nothing new to many of the readers here.

In other words, this forum is chuck full of fellow bigots like yourself?

WOW..........after joining, do the rest of us get to wear little hoods too?

You wanna see a bigot just go look in a mirror

 

[Phoenall]

The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict

The synopsis of a much longer article (below) was written by Jews who felt compelled to expose the Zionist agenda that has caused so much bloodshed in the former Palestine.


The standard Zionist position is that they showed up in Palestine in the late 19th century to reclaim their ancestral homeland. Jews bought land and started building up the Jewish community there. They were met with increasingly violent opposition from the Palestinian Arabs, presumably stemming from the Arabs’ inherent anti-Semitism. The Zionists were then forced to defend themselves and, in one form or another, this same situation continues up to today.

The problem with this explanation is that it is simply not true. What really happened was that the Zionist movement, from the beginning, looked forward to a practically complete dispossession of the indigenous Arab population so that Israel could be a wholly Jewish state, or as much as was possible. Land bought by the Jewish National Fund was held in the name of the Jewish people and could never be sold or even leased back to Arabs (a situation which continues to the present).

The Arab community, as it became increasingly aware of the Zionists’ intentions, strenuously opposed further Jewish immigration and land buying because it posed a real and imminent danger to the very existence of Arab society in Palestine. Because of this opposition, the entire Zionist project never could have been realized without the military backing of the British. The vast majority of the population of Palestine, by the way, had been Arabic since the seventh century A.D. (Over 1200 years)

In short, Zionism was based on a faulty, colonialist world view that the rights of the indigenous inhabitants didn’t matter. The Arabs’ opposition to Zionism wasn’t based on anti-Semitism but rather on a totally reasonable fear of the dispossession of their people.

One further point: being Jewish ourselves, the position we present here is critical of Zionism but is in no way anti-Semitic. We do not believe that the Jews acted worse than any other group might have acted in their situation. The Zionists (who were a distinct minority of the Jewish people until after WWII) had an understandable desire to establish a place where Jews could be masters of their own fate, given the bleak history of Jewish oppression. Especially as the danger to European Jewry crystalized in the late 1930’s and after, the actions of the Zionists were propelled by real desperation.

But so were the actions of the Arabs. The mythic “land without people for a people without land” was already home to 700,000 Palestinians in 1919. This is the root of the problem.

Moreover this saying was coined by a Zionist way back in 1890's.....it was Bullshit then,and Bigger Bullshit today........but A TYPICAL of the Zionist Terrorist Bullshit Mantra.....excellent Post by the way.....nat..steve

How many innocents have Zionists killed compared to those killed by islamonazis ? Is it about 1 million to the islamonazi's compared to 1 by the Zionists ?

 

[pbel]

And your God gave you the world and told you to kill the unbelievers didn't he

Darn, I did not get that memo from God.....could you send me a copy?

Look at who it was in reply to, or cant you read that well

Please Phoney your Certificate of Sanity might give you some credibility, post it!

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict

The synopsis of a much longer article (below) was written by Jews who felt compelled to expose the Zionist agenda that has caused so much bloodshed in the former Palestine.


The standard Zionist position is that they showed up in Palestine in the late 19th century to reclaim their ancestral homeland. Jews bought land and started building up the Jewish community there. They were met with increasingly violent opposition from the Palestinian Arabs, presumably stemming from the Arabs’ inherent anti-Semitism. The Zionists were then forced to defend themselves and, in one form or another, this same situation continues up to today.

The problem with this explanation is that it is simply not true. What really happened was that the Zionist movement, from the beginning, looked forward to a practically complete dispossession of the indigenous Arab population so that Israel could be a wholly Jewish state, or as much as was possible. Land bought by the Jewish National Fund was held in the name of the Jewish people and could never be sold or even leased back to Arabs (a situation which continues to the present).

The Arab community, as it became increasingly aware of the Zionists’ intentions, strenuously opposed further Jewish immigration and land buying because it posed a real and imminent danger to the very existence of Arab society in Palestine. Because of this opposition, the entire Zionist project never could have been realized without the military backing of the British. The vast majority of the population of Palestine, by the way, had been Arabic since the seventh century A.D. (Over 1200 years)

In short, Zionism was based on a faulty, colonialist world view that the rights of the indigenous inhabitants didn’t matter. The Arabs’ opposition to Zionism wasn’t based on anti-Semitism but rather on a totally reasonable fear of the dispossession of their people.

One further point: being Jewish ourselves, the position we present here is critical of Zionism but is in no way anti-Semitic. We do not believe that the Jews acted worse than any other group might have acted in their situation. The Zionists (who were a distinct minority of the Jewish people until after WWII) had an understandable desire to establish a place where Jews could be masters of their own fate, given the bleak history of Jewish oppression. Especially as the danger to European Jewry crystalized in the late 1930’s and after, the actions of the Zionists were propelled by real desperation.

But so were the actions of the Arabs. The mythic “land without people for a people without land” was already home to 700,000 Palestinians in 1919. This is the root of the problem.

Great site you are using there, Natty Boy.

http://www.think-israel.org/waltzer.alisonweir.html

Indeed, nobody is worth his salt if not thoroughly slimed by the criminal class.

 

[nat4900]

and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

Notice that allPhony did NOT highlight and bolded a KEY portion of Art.2 of the Palestinian Mandate......as a service, here it is above.

Yep.....the Israeli government has certainly been "safeguarding" Palestinians' civil rights, don't you think?

 

[nat4900]

How many innocents have Zionists killed compared to those killed by islamonazis ? Is it about 1 million to the islamonazi's compared to 1 by the Zionists ?

Gee, dingbat.......hard to find "innocence" in all that blood and body parts....But here are some stats from the Jewish Telegraph...
Palestinian deaths vs. Israeli deaths Jewish Telegraphic Agency

The number of Palestinian deaths to Israeli deaths is clearly disproportionate — as of this writing, about 192:1.

 

[Phoenall]

And your God gave you the world and told you to kill the unbelievers didn't he

Darn, I did not get that memo from God.....could you send me a copy?

Look at who it was in reply to, or cant you read that well

Please Phoney your Certificate of Sanity might give you some credibility, post it!

When are you going to post yours, or are you still under treatment ?

 

[Phoenall]

and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

Notice that allPhony did NOT highlight and bolded a KEY portion of Art.2 of the Palestinian Mandate......as a service, here it is above.

Yep.....the Israeli government has certainly been "safeguarding" Palestinians' civil rights, don't you think?

As they applied in 1922, now care to define what those religious and civil rights were in 1922 ?

 

[Phoenall]

How many innocents have Zionists killed compared to those killed by islamonazis ? Is it about 1 million to the islamonazi's compared to 1 by the Zionists ?

Gee, dingbat.......hard to find "innocence" in all that blood and body parts....But here are some stats from the Jewish Telegraph...
Palestinian deaths vs. Israeli deaths Jewish Telegraphic Agency

The number of Palestinian deaths to Israeli deaths is clearly disproportionate — as of this writing, about 192:1.

Now look at the totals for islamonazis and Zionists and you will that for every 1 million innocents murdered in the name of islam there are only 1 murdered in the name of Zionism.

 

[nat4900]

allPhoney may have fallen on his/her arse when forced to backtrack so freaking fast.....LOL

 

[Carla_Danger]

And your God gave you the world and told you to kill the unbelievers didn't he

Darn, I did not get that memo from God.....could you send me a copy?

I have never received ANY memo from ANY Gawd.

 

[nat4900]

I have never received ANY memo from ANY Gawd

I once got a letter from Ronald Reagan asking for donations.....Is that the right wingers' equivalent of a memo from a deity?

 

[Carla_Danger]

I have never received ANY memo from ANY Gawd

I once got a letter from Ronald Reagan asking for donations.....Is that the right wingers' equivalent of a memo from a deity?

I believe they'd like to have him on a stamp, just to lick his backside.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Did anyone ever say that I watched FOX? I thought you were the one watching it. Are we supposed to believe an anti-Zionist Leftist Jew who would like to see the Israeli Jews roll over for the Arabs. You and those who think like you do can lap up every word which comes from her site. Please excuse me and others if we don't fall for what that site says.

You don't have to "fall" for anything Weir states.....The article was intended for less hate filled people who ALSO want to hear a different side of the story ....you know, the NON-Zionist, less Nazi-like point of view?
You and other dingbats choose to listen to just one side....the side that fits your biases , the side where you don't have to think on your own...the side that lets you just go on and hate and wallow in your own bile......

As for me......well, I'm happy to share the "other" side for more open-minded, intelligent folks.

And some of us would just like for them to stop killing each other. (speaking for myself ) Just from personal observation, especially with religious nutters, they seem willing to give blind support, while ignoring the living conditions in Gaza....A defenseless civilian population, trapped in an open-aired prison with very little clean water. I don't understand how they can be so one sided.

 

[Phoenall]

Did anyone ever say that I watched FOX? I thought you were the one watching it. Are we supposed to believe an anti-Zionist Leftist Jew who would like to see the Israeli Jews roll over for the Arabs. You and those who think like you do can lap up every word which comes from her site. Please excuse me and others if we don't fall for what that site says.

You don't have to "fall" for anything Weir states.....The article was intended for less hate filled people who ALSO want to hear a different side of the story ....you know, the NON-Zionist, less Nazi-like point of view?
You and other dingbats choose to listen to just one side....the side that fits your biases , the side where you don't have to think on your own...the side that lets you just go on and hate and wallow in your own bile......

As for me......well, I'm happy to share the "other" side for more open-minded, intelligent folks.

And some of us would just like for them to stop killing each other. (speaking for myself ) Just from personal observation, especially with religious nutters, they seem willing to give blind support, while ignoring the living conditions in Gaza....A defenseless civilian population, trapped in an open-aired prison with very little clean water. I don't understand how they can be so one sided.

Blame it on hamas as they are the ones that caused the problems in the first place. Stop the violence, terrorism and targeting Israeli children and the IDF will not need to destroy the rocket launch sites in civilian areas.