Jews for Justice..... If Americans really Knew

[rhodescholar]

Maybe it was too much to read......???

Maybe because those of us with knowledge of historical facts and brains know what you posted is total fucking garbage.

Given these unassailable facts, no sane human can defend the arab muslims:

1) arab muslims were attacking and murdering jews in the mideast for centuries prior to 1948

2) arab muslims have never and still do not get along with ANY other group in the mideast: coptics, maronites, chaldeans, yazidis, bahai, azeri, maneacheans, kurds, etc.

3) there was massive amounts of arab muslim-directed anti-Israel terrorism before 1967, so complaints about the occupation are a ruse

Stick to the facts, dimwit.

 

[rhodescholar]

The Arab community, as it became increasingly aware of the Zionists’ intentions, strenuously opposed further Jewish immigration and land buying because it posed a real and imminent danger to the very existence of Arab society in Palestine. .

I separated this moronic comment as it would then give the 200 million white americans the right to terrorise and murder the 40 million illegal aliens who have snuck into the US, some of whom refuse to assimilate and want to turn the SW US into a latino country again.

Notice how other groups are allowed to move, immigrate, etc., but not jews. The far left racist trash has no interest in consistency, ever. Just an agenda.

 

[nat4900]

Blame it on hamas as they are the ones that caused the problems in the first place. Stop the violence, terrorism and targeting Israeli children and the IDF will not need to destroy the rocket launch sites in civilian areas.

BLATANTLY one-sided.......Come on, BO ONE is defending the Hamas' nut-jobs....but did these people one day just out of the blue decided to be bad guys?......Or did they gain support PRECISELY because the land-grab policies of some Israelis, and apartheid-like conditions in Gaza and West Bank were deplorable?

 

[Hossfly]

Blame it on hamas as they are the ones that caused the problems in the first place. Stop the violence, terrorism and targeting Israeli children and the IDF will not need to destroy the rocket launch sites in civilian areas.

BLATANTLY one-sided.......Come on, BO ONE is defending the Hamas' nut-jobs....but did these people one day just out of the blue decided to be bad guys?......Or did they gain support PRECISELY because the land-grab policies of some Israelis, and apartheid-like conditions in Gaza and West Bank were deplorable?

Maybe the job situation caused Hamas to evolve. They could help the situation by picking up the trash all around Gaza. Might even give them the incentive to work for a living.

 

[Phoenall]

Blame it on hamas as they are the ones that caused the problems in the first place. Stop the violence, terrorism and targeting Israeli children and the IDF will not need to destroy the rocket launch sites in civilian areas.

BLATANTLY one-sided.......Come on, BO ONE is defending the Hamas' nut-jobs....but did these people one day just out of the blue decided to be bad guys?......Or did they gain support PRECISELY because the land-grab policies of some Israelis, and apartheid-like conditions in Gaza and West Bank were deplorable?

They have been fed it through the teat since 635 C.E. when Mohamed commanded the muslims to "KILL THE JEWS"

 

[Billo_Really]

The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict

The synopsis of a much longer article (below) was written by Jews who felt compelled to expose the Zionist agenda that has caused so much bloodshed in the former Palestine.


The standard Zionist position is that they showed up in Palestine in the late 19th century to reclaim their ancestral homeland. Jews bought land and started building up the Jewish community there. They were met with increasingly violent opposition from the Palestinian Arabs, presumably stemming from the Arabs’ inherent anti-Semitism. The Zionists were then forced to defend themselves and, in one form or another, this same situation continues up to today.

The problem with this explanation is that it is simply not true. What really happened was that the Zionist movement, from the beginning, looked forward to a practically complete dispossession of the indigenous Arab population so that Israel could be a wholly Jewish state, or as much as was possible. Land bought by the Jewish National Fund was held in the name of the Jewish people and could never be sold or even leased back to Arabs (a situation which continues to the present).

The Arab community, as it became increasingly aware of the Zionists’ intentions, strenuously opposed further Jewish immigration and land buying because it posed a real and imminent danger to the very existence of Arab society in Palestine. Because of this opposition, the entire Zionist project never could have been realized without the military backing of the British. The vast majority of the population of Palestine, by the way, had been Arabic since the seventh century A.D. (Over 1200 years)

In short, Zionism was based on a faulty, colonialist world view that the rights of the indigenous inhabitants didn’t matter. The Arabs’ opposition to Zionism wasn’t based on anti-Semitism but rather on a totally reasonable fear of the dispossession of their people.

One further point: being Jewish ourselves, the position we present here is critical of Zionism but is in no way anti-Semitic. We do not believe that the Jews acted worse than any other group might have acted in their situation. The Zionists (who were a distinct minority of the Jewish people until after WWII) had an understandable desire to establish a place where Jews could be masters of their own fate, given the bleak history of Jewish oppression. Especially as the danger to European Jewry crystalized in the late 1930’s and after, the actions of the Zionists were propelled by real desperation.

But so were the actions of the Arabs. The mythic “land without people for a people without land” was already home to 700,000 Palestinians in 1919. This is the root of the problem.

Absolutely! Great OP!

I just wanted to say that before I start reading (and dealing with) statements from these lying little bitches, who defend the Zionist invaders and insurgents.

 

[Billo_Really]

They have been fed it through the teat since 635 C.E. when Mohamed commanded the muslims to "KILL THE JEWS"

You're the biggest lying little bitch of all. Fuck your country for providing military support to these Zionist whores!

 

[nat4900]

They have been fed it through the teat since 635 C.E. when Mohamed commanded the muslims to "KILL THE JEWS"

Another moronic post from allPhoney....who probably "learns" her history from listening to that great Islamic scholar, Sean Hannity.......

Mohammed NEVER, ever stated "kill the Jews"......As Islam is the newest of religions, they honor previous prophets such as Abraham and Jesus.....

Any animosity toward Jews by Mohammed, stems from TWO factors:

1. In an Arab civil war of Mohammed's era, some Jewish tribes who traded and co-existed with Mohammed's followers betrayed him by opening the gates to the city that Mohammed was defending from the opposition......

2. Mohammed was basically a merchant and business person.....He had lucrative caravan trade routes from the Far East and found that some independent Jewish merchants were taking over those same routes.

The MAIN ROOT of the modern antipathy and subsequent bloodshed between Islamists and Jews stems from the Palestinians' displacement and apartheid.......Sure there are other reasons and certainly there sectarian civil wars between Muslims......BUT the objective of this thread was to point out that there is ANOTHER side of the story regarding Jews and Arabs.....

This "other side" is obviously NOT for those who live and breathe bigotry.....they're too far gone in their hate-filled existence.....but this other side is for folks who may still have an open mind.

 

[nat4900]

Maybe the job situation caused Hamas to evolve. They could help the situation by picking up the trash all around Gaza. Might even give them the incentive to work for a living.

Or maybe they can start picking cotton, right, Hossshit?

 

[nat4900]

Given these unassailable facts, no sane human can defend the arab muslims:

1) arab muslims were attacking and murdering jews in the mideast for centuries prior to 1948

2) arab muslims have never and still do not get along with ANY other group in the mideast: coptics, maronites, chaldeans, yazidis, bahai, azeri, maneacheans, kurds, etc.

3) there was massive amounts of arab muslim-directed anti-Israel terrorism before 1967, so complaints about the occupation are a ruse

Stick to the facts, dimwit.

Another example of "facts" by a right winger who probably goes to the bathroom, squats, and after a few grimaces, looks down at the bowl for her "facts."

 

[Billo_Really]

Maybe because those of us with knowledge of historical facts and brains know what you posted is total fucking garbage.

Given these unassailable facts, no sane human can defend the arab muslims:

1) arab muslims were attacking and murdering jews in the mideast for centuries prior to 1948

2) arab muslims have never and still do not get along with ANY other group in the mideast: coptics, maronites, chaldeans, yazidis, bahai, azeri, maneacheans, kurds, etc.

3) there was massive amounts of arab muslim-directed anti-Israel terrorism before 1967, so complaints about the occupation are a ruse

Stick to the facts, dimwit.

Why don't you prove it, you stupid bitch?

You can't, because you're bitchy little lying asshole!

Here's a comment from a Zionist (Ahad Ha'am) living at that time...

"...the settlers must under no circumstances arouse the wrath of the natives ..."

You get that, fuckhead? The "natives", in this case, were the people already living there, you fuckin' asswhipe!

'Yet what do our brethren do in Palestine?

Yeah, what did they do?

Just the very opposite!

Do you hear that, fuckhead? They did the "opposite". These are the people fucks like you are defending.

Serfs they were in the lands of the Diaspora and suddenly they find themselves in unrestricted freedom and this change has awakened in them an inclination to despotism.

Despots! You're fucking defending despots.

But the worst is.....and this is what fuckers like you prove with every post.......that when given a little power, this is what you do to others...

They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause and even boast of these deeds; and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination

And you do that, to this very day!

 

[nat4900]

Speaking with some of my Native American friends, they describe what is going on in the former Palestine as very much akin to what their own ancestors experienced.....the steady dislocation of people from ancestral lands to smaller and smaller reservations.

 

[Billo_Really]

Speaking with some of my Native American friends, they describe what is going on in the former Palestine as very much akin to what their own ancestors experienced.....the steady dislocation of people from ancestral lands to smaller and smaller reservations.

I'll have you know, one of my hero's (and mentor), is John Trudell.

 

[nat4900]

I'll have you know, one of my hero's (and mentor), is John Trudell.

Ah, the insightful and wise author of ".....do not trust anyone who isn't angry at how the world works..."

 

[Phoenall]

The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict

The synopsis of a much longer article (below) was written by Jews who felt compelled to expose the Zionist agenda that has caused so much bloodshed in the former Palestine.


The standard Zionist position is that they showed up in Palestine in the late 19th century to reclaim their ancestral homeland. Jews bought land and started building up the Jewish community there. They were met with increasingly violent opposition from the Palestinian Arabs, presumably stemming from the Arabs’ inherent anti-Semitism. The Zionists were then forced to defend themselves and, in one form or another, this same situation continues up to today.

The problem with this explanation is that it is simply not true. What really happened was that the Zionist movement, from the beginning, looked forward to a practically complete dispossession of the indigenous Arab population so that Israel could be a wholly Jewish state, or as much as was possible. Land bought by the Jewish National Fund was held in the name of the Jewish people and could never be sold or even leased back to Arabs (a situation which continues to the present).

The Arab community, as it became increasingly aware of the Zionists’ intentions, strenuously opposed further Jewish immigration and land buying because it posed a real and imminent danger to the very existence of Arab society in Palestine. Because of this opposition, the entire Zionist project never could have been realized without the military backing of the British. The vast majority of the population of Palestine, by the way, had been Arabic since the seventh century A.D. (Over 1200 years)

In short, Zionism was based on a faulty, colonialist world view that the rights of the indigenous inhabitants didn’t matter. The Arabs’ opposition to Zionism wasn’t based on anti-Semitism but rather on a totally reasonable fear of the dispossession of their people.

One further point: being Jewish ourselves, the position we present here is critical of Zionism but is in no way anti-Semitic. We do not believe that the Jews acted worse than any other group might have acted in their situation. The Zionists (who were a distinct minority of the Jewish people until after WWII) had an understandable desire to establish a place where Jews could be masters of their own fate, given the bleak history of Jewish oppression. Especially as the danger to European Jewry crystalized in the late 1930’s and after, the actions of the Zionists were propelled by real desperation.

But so were the actions of the Arabs. The mythic “land without people for a people without land” was already home to 700,000 Palestinians in 1919. This is the root of the problem.

Absolutely! Great OP!

I just wanted to say that before I start reading (and dealing with) statements from these lying little bitches, who defend the Zionist invaders and insurgents.

The invaders under International law are the arab muslims as they had no claim to the land since 1099 when they had their butt kicked and run off.( seems to happen to them a lot ) Unless you an find evidence to the contrary, like Ottoman census returns and land registry

 

[Phoenall]

They have been fed it through the teat since 635 C.E. when Mohamed commanded the muslims to "KILL THE JEWS"

You're the biggest lying little bitch of all. Fuck your country for providing military support to these Zionist whores!

Read the Koran and hadiths dildo and see just how the islamonazi hatred of the Jews started, and how Mohamed issued religious commands to " KILL THE JEWS"

 

[Phoenall]

They have been fed it through the teat since 635 C.E. when Mohamed commanded the muslims to "KILL THE JEWS"

Another moronic post from allPhoney....who probably "learns" her history from listening to that great Islamic scholar, Sean Hannity.......

Mohammed NEVER, ever stated "kill the Jews"......As Islam is the newest of religions, they honor previous prophets such as Abraham and Jesus.....

Any animosity toward Jews by Mohammed, stems from TWO factors:

1. In an Arab civil war of Mohammed's era, some Jewish tribes who traded and co-existed with Mohammed's followers betrayed him by opening the gates to the city that Mohammed was defending from the opposition......

2. Mohammed was basically a merchant and business person.....He had lucrative caravan trade routes from the Far East and found that some independent Jewish merchants were taking over those same routes.

The MAIN ROOT of the modern antipathy and subsequent bloodshed between Islamists and Jews stems from the Palestinians' displacement and apartheid.......Sure there are other reasons and certainly there sectarian civil wars between Muslims......BUT the objective of this thread was to point out that there is ANOTHER side of the story regarding Jews and Arabs.....

This "other side" is obviously NOT for those who live and breathe bigotry.....they're too far gone in their hate-filled existence.....but this other side is for folks who may still have an open mind.

Try the Koran and hadiths for my information, just like this that tells of Mohamed telling the muslims to "KILL THE JEWS "


“Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.” — Sahih Muslim 6985


Not according to contemporary accounts. the arab muslims had just defeated the Meccans and were flushed with success when Mohamed decided to take on the 3 Jewish tribes in Medina and destroy them one at a time. The last Tribe had done nothing wrong so he concocted a story ( sounds familiar ) to allow him to wipe them out. All detailed in the hadiths.

He was a psychopathic cold blooded killer that raped a 12 year old girl next to the bodies of her murdered father and brothers. He suffered from a mental derangement that manifested itself as hearing voices and seeing visions, diagnosed today as frontal lobe epilepsy.


So before you throw stones try looking at the real facts

 

[Phoenall]

Given these unassailable facts, no sane human can defend the arab muslims:

1) arab muslims were attacking and murdering jews in the mideast for centuries prior to 1948

2) arab muslims have never and still do not get along with ANY other group in the mideast: coptics, maronites, chaldeans, yazidis, bahai, azeri, maneacheans, kurds, etc.

3) there was massive amounts of arab muslim-directed anti-Israel terrorism before 1967, so complaints about the occupation are a ruse

Stick to the facts, dimwit.

Another example of "facts" by a right winger who probably goes to the bathroom, squats, and after a few grimaces, looks down at the bowl for her "facts."

Typical left wing nutjob reply when they know they don't have a cat in hells chance of winning the argument, so they resort to abuse, flaming and trolling.

 

[Phoenall]

Maybe because those of us with knowledge of historical facts and brains know what you posted is total fucking garbage.

Given these unassailable facts, no sane human can defend the arab muslims:

1) arab muslims were attacking and murdering jews in the mideast for centuries prior to 1948

2) arab muslims have never and still do not get along with ANY other group in the mideast: coptics, maronites, chaldeans, yazidis, bahai, azeri, maneacheans, kurds, etc.

3) there was massive amounts of arab muslim-directed anti-Israel terrorism before 1967, so complaints about the occupation are a ruse

Stick to the facts, dimwit.

Why don't you prove it, you stupid bitch?

You can't, because you're bitchy little lying asshole!

Here's a comment from a Zionist (Ahad Ha'am) living at that time...

"...the settlers must under no circumstances arouse the wrath of the natives ..."

You get that, fuckhead? The "natives", in this case, were the people already living there, you fuckin' asswhipe!

'Yet what do our brethren do in Palestine?

Yeah, what did they do?

Just the very opposite!

Do you hear that, fuckhead? They did the "opposite". These are the people fucks like you are defending.

Serfs they were in the lands of the Diaspora and suddenly they find themselves in unrestricted freedom and this change has awakened in them an inclination to despotism.

Despots! You're fucking defending despots.

But the worst is.....and this is what fuckers like you prove with every post.......that when given a little power, this is what you do to others...

They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause and even boast of these deeds; and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination

And you do that, to this very day!

MELTDOWN again dildo, shown by your profanities and frothing at the mouth.

 

[rhodescholar]

Another example of "facts" by a right winger who probably goes to the bathroom, squats, and after a few grimaces, looks down at the bowl for her "facts."

The mentally ill piece of shit bottom-feeding fucking turd did not even attempt to debate a single fact that I listed, all of which are well know to all sane adults.

Sadly, this forum attracts the absolute worst pieces of shit to defend the arab muslims.