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Google it. There's poetry and law, commentary, fables etc.We're putting your proclamation of it being a comic novella to the test right now and you're not getting any responses wither way.
You need more than a yes or a no, you need a clear statement and that's the test that will open the discussion..
We should let the question ride for a while but it's not very likely that anybody wants to say either way.Google it. There's poetry and law, commentary, fables etc.
We should let the question ride for a while but it's not very likely that anybody wants to say either way.
Til then the question has been answered for me.
So?So to paraphrase, Jesus basically said, " Love me or else"
Which Bible are you using? The Comparative Study Bible does not have Jesus saying this when he commissions his disciples. irosie91 is correct. Matthew did not write that.
Good News Translation Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved; whoever does not believe will be condemned. New Revised Standard Version The one who believes and is baptized will be saved; but the one who does not believe will be condemned. Contemporary English Version Anyone who believes me and is baptized will be saved. But anyone who refuses to believe me will be condemned. New American Bible Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved; whoever does not believe will be condemned. Douay-Rheims Bible He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall he condemned. 1 John 5:10-13 He that believeth in the Son of God hath the testimony of God in himself. He that believeth not the Son maketh him a liar: because he believeth not in the testimony which God hath testified of his Son. . . . is. John 3:18,19,36He that believeth in him is not judged. But he that doth not believe is already judged: because he believeth not in the name of the only begotten Son of God. . . . John 8:24 Therefore I said to you that you shall die in your sins. For if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sin. |
It's really just always been threats hasn't it.
John 3:18,19,36He that believeth in him is not judged. But he that doth not believe is already judged: because he believeth not in the name of the only begotten Son of God. . . .
close enoughJonah is a comic nouvella. It was never real. It's a short fable about how God loves his children even the people of Nineveh.. The joke was on Jonah.
well---it's a DRASH--as in midrash. like several in the NT---the story of theJonah is a comic nouvella. It was never real. It's a short fable about how God loves his children even the people of Nineveh.. The joke was on Jonah.
baptism doesnt save you. I guess you missed His dozens of other saved verses that don't mention anything but faith?True story.. I believe it is the last chapter of Matthew.. (Mt 28:20?)
He says He is with us always, until the End
Then he says to preach the Gospel to everyone. Those who accept and are BAPTIZED will be saved. Those who do not are condemned.
Yep, that Jesus... what a meanie
LOL
for once we agree- she thinks any religion goes to heaven including muslims and athiests and even satanists.Meriweather has not commented on all those scripture psgs I listed that say we are condemned if we do not believe in Christ
you read too fast- it doesnt say what you think it says. It says belief not baptism in the 2nd part of the verse. Also if you think baptism saves you , you missed dozens of verses mentioning nothing about baptism and getting saved. You read into the text something not there.A lot of people here have a short attention span (sometimes I do also) so I have highlighted the aprops scripture psgs in green/bold
Good News Translation
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved; whoever does not believe will be condemned.
New Revised Standard Version
The one who believes and is baptized will be saved; but the one who does not believe will be condemned.
Contemporary English Version
Anyone who believes me and is baptized will be saved. But anyone who refuses to believe me will be condemned.
New American Bible
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved; whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Douay-Rheims Bible
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall he condemned.
1 John 5:10-13 He that believeth in the Son of God hath the testimony of God in himself. He that believeth not the Son maketh him a liar: because he believeth not in the testimony which God hath testified of his Son. . . .
is.
John 3:18,19,36He that believeth in him is not judged. But he that doth not believe is already judged: because he believeth not in the name of the only begotten Son of God. . . .
John 8:24 Therefore I said to you that you shall die in your sins. For if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sin.
So?
God has been saying that throughout the history of mankind
If you dont love what God loves, you will not INHERIT what God loves... "endorses"
I don't see a problem... not one bit. Only libs see problems where they don't exist..
As God said through the prophet Isaiah
Your thoughts are not my thoughts. My ways are not your ways
Biblically, condemned generally means 'punished', often in the Old Testament the consequences of living a certain way. For example, one who goes outside on a snowy day without wearing a coat is condemned to be cold.A lot of people here have a short attention span (sometimes I do also) so I have highlighted the aprops scripture psgs in green/bold
OK---tell Francis----that "save" thing has been used to describe eventualBiblically, condemned generally means 'punished', often in the Old Testament the consequences of living a certain way. For example, one who goes outside on a snowy day without wearing a coat is condemned to be cold.
Living the Way Christ taught brings peace, relief--often those words are translated as "saved".
Somewhere along the line in reading and thinking in English, people started thinking in terms of the afterlife and heaven and hell. From the Biblical perspective in the ancient language, those words come across more as, Anyone who is baptized into living the way I teach will experience positive results in their lives. Those who do not will experience the negative results.
We make it too complicated. Love others, and positive relationships are formed, enriching this life. Murder someone, end up in prison (living in a cage) for the rest of one's life.
In Acts, the word is also used in the present. If someone walks out of prison, the jailer is held responsible and killed in place of the prisoner. If the Apostle walks out of prison, how can the jailer prevent the punishment coming his way? Once again, nothing to do with the future heaven/hell--but the right now.
well---it's a DRASH--as in midrash. like several in the NT---the story of the
"good samaritan" the "fishes and loaves" "the adultress" etc etc. I am not
clear on the concept of "comic" or "joke"-----unless the word comic is used
in the classical sense of NOT TRAGIC
Oh gee----I did not laugh----what would Mel Brooks sayA joke in the sense that Jonah was sulking and pouting..and then God took back the shade he'd given him.
Jesus was imaginary and 99 times out of 100 you kids ignore what he supposedly said anyway.True story.. I believe it is the last chapter of Matthew.. (Mt 28:20?)
He says He is with us always, until the End
Then he says to preach the Gospel to everyone. Those who accept and are BAPTIZED will be saved. Those who do not are condemned.
Yep, that Jesus... what a meanie
LOL
