CDZ Jesus didn't exist

[daws101]

A Roman historian, Tacitus, wrote of Christus's (The Messiah) crucifixion.

none of that is proof the jesus was the son of any god..

The thread is about His existence, no?

only partially, if you are even the least bit curious the question arises was his supposed divinity real..

 

[daws101]

A Roman historian, Tacitus, wrote of Christus's (The Messiah) crucifixion.

none of that is proof the jesus was the son of any god..

No it doesn't ,nor doe it disprove anything ether,that and your off topic.

what is doe? a deer a female deer..

 

[daws101]

There is lots and lots of physical evidence,the Romans recorded his death in their records,try again.

the romans did not have dna...

Ya so what your point?

you are proving it with every post.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

A Roman historian, Tacitus, wrote of Christus's (The Messiah) crucifixion.

none of that is proof the jesus was the son of any god..

The thread is about His existence, no?

only partially, if you are even the least bit curious the question arises was his supposed divinity real..

No, read the title and then comment. Fool....here let me help you.

Jesus didn't exist......

Get it?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Even the Quran speaks of Jesus.

Qur'an is heavily based and dependent upon the Bible, which is in turn heavily based and dependent upon the Tanach. If you're basing a new religion on a previous one it's hard to establish yourself as credible if you're like "Jesus? Who's Jesus?"

Worth mentioning Islam maintains Jesus didn't die but ascended to Heaven alive. Hence no crucixfiction or ressurection.

Regardless, your premise is sinking faster than a stone in a river. Even the Greek historians mention Jesus.

You don't want to believe that's fine but your nonsense is just that, nonsense.

Yeshua's life and role in Christianity echoes other Messianic figures in their religions. So that he may not have actually existed but been fabricated basing other religious myths for the new one taking form in Israel is a fair question to raise. And it's not as nonsensical as you seem to think. Quite a few scholars agree.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

A Roman historian, Tacitus, wrote of Christus's (The Messiah) crucifixion.

none of that is proof the jesus was the son of any god..

No it doesn't ,nor doe it disprove anything ether,that and your off topic.

what is doe? a deer a female deer..

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Even the Quran speaks of Jesus.

Qur'an is heavily based and dependent upon the Bible, which is in turn heavily based and dependent upon the Tanach. If you're basing a new religion on a previous one it's hard to establish yourself as credible if you're like "Jesus? Who's Jesus?"

Worth mentioning Islam maintains Jesus didn't die but ascended to Heaven alive. Hence no crucixfiction or ressurection.

Regardless, your premise is sinking faster than a stone in a river. Even the Greek historians mention Jesus.

You don't want to believe that's fine but your nonsense is just that, nonsense.

Yeshua's life and role in Christianity echoes other Messianic figures in their religions. So that he may not have actually existed but been fabricated basing other religious myths for the new one taking form in Israel is a fair question to raise. And it's not as nonsensical as you seem to think. Quite a few scholars agree.

Like I said, it's up to you if you believe or don't, it makes no difference to me what so ever

 

[Treeshepherd]

Jerusalem was utterly destroyed in 70 AD. Hardly a stone was left un-toppled.

As far as I'm concerned, though, it's irrelevant whether or not a historical Jesus existed. Do you want to find his body and clone him? If not, what does it matter?

The relevant search is to look to understand what Jesus represents.

"God consciousness is personified in the “Cosmic Christ”, in all that epitomizes divine
perfection, the goal of human striving toward betterment. For Christians, Jesus Christ, in
his life and teaching, epitomizes the consciousness of ultimate perfection, of divinity
motivated by love for others. The way of manifesting love is learned in the experience of
love.
The evolution of God-consciousness is an evolution of consciousness of the Cosmic
Christ whose perfections grow in human persons and advance the cumulus of love among
people, what expresses evolution of the Total Person of the Cosmic Christ. The Cosmic
Christ isn’t just an object of consciousness to be admired but is a model to be emulated
and imitated. In emulation and imitation, the Cosmic Christ transforms human/ divine
potential."

 

[daws101]

Millions of people have traced their ancestry to the Islamic prophet Mohammed. None can say the same of Jesus. Even Joeseph Smith has living descendents. No one claims to be related to Jesus though.

No body. No DNA. No remains. No tomb. No descendents = Didn't exist.

The Bible tells us that Jesus had siblings.

Hostile Non-Biblical Pagan Accounts There are a number of ancient classical accounts of Jesus from pagan, non-Christian sources. These accounts are generally hostile to Christianity; some ancient authors denied the miraculous nature of Jesus and the events surrounding His life:

Thallus (52AD)
Tacitus (56-120AD)
Mara Bar-Serapion (70AD)
Phlegon (80-140AD)
Pliny the Younger (61-113AD)
Suetonius (69-140AD)
Lucian of Samosata: (115-200 A.D.)
Celsus (175AD)

Hostile Non-Biblical Jewish Accounts:

Josephus (37-101AD)
Jewish Talmud (400-700AD)
The Toledot Yeshu (1000AD)

There is evidence outside the Bible that provides proof that Jesus did exist.

The supposed account of Jesus in Talmud wasn't Jesus but someone whose name was also Yeshua (his actual name, 'Jesus' is just the English version of the Greek 'Ieosus' from the NT texts.)

Again, numerous Roman historians wrote about Jesus.

Not just rome ether,Jewish historians,have many accounts,and also recorded his death.

Why do people like the Op try and try to discredit something they themselves don't believe whats in it for them?,what would Freud have to say about that?

why do people who believe bring up that dumbass statement.
it's simple asshat most smart people want to know fact from fiction.
that's what's in in for them....

 

[aaronleland]

Even the Quran speaks of Jesus.

Qur'an is heavily based and dependent upon the Bible, which is in turn heavily based and dependent upon the Tanach. If you're basing a new religion on a previous one it's hard to establish yourself as credible if you're like "Jesus? Who's Jesus?"

Worth mentioning Islam maintains Jesus didn't die but ascended to Heaven alive. Hence no crucixfiction or ressurection.

What many Christians don't know is that Jesus is revered in the Muslim religion. Next to Muhammed he is supposed to be God's greatest prophet. But in the Muslim religion prophets of God can't be subjected to that sort of pain, so they believe he ascended to Heaven before the crucifixion.

 

[daws101]

A Roman historian, Tacitus, wrote of Christus's (The Messiah) crucifixion.

none of that is proof the jesus was the son of any god..

The thread is about His existence, no?

only partially, if you are even the least bit curious the question arises was his supposed divinity real..

No, read the title and then comment. Fool....here let me help you.

Jesus didn't exist......

Get it?

let me help you, there is no proof the guy called Jesus was the actual guy...the divine one. get it .

 

[SassyIrishLass]

A Roman historian, Tacitus, wrote of Christus's (The Messiah) crucifixion.

none of that is proof the jesus was the son of any god..

The thread is about His existence, no?

only partially, if you are even the least bit curious the question arises was his supposed divinity real..

No, read the title and then comment. Fool....here let me help you.

Jesus didn't exist......

Get it?

let me help you, there is no proof the guy called Jesus was the actual guy...the divine one. get it .

Once again troll....the thread isn't about that. Get it...TROLL? Now go bother someone about a typo....troll.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Even the Quran speaks of Jesus.

Qur'an is heavily based and dependent upon the Bible, which is in turn heavily based and dependent upon the Tanach. If you're basing a new religion on a previous one it's hard to establish yourself as credible if you're like "Jesus? Who's Jesus?"

Worth mentioning Islam maintains Jesus didn't die but ascended to Heaven alive. Hence no crucixfiction or ressurection.

Regardless, your premise is sinking faster than a stone in a river. Even the Greek historians mention Jesus.

You don't want to believe that's fine but your nonsense is just that, nonsense.

Yeshua's life and role in Christianity echoes other Messianic figures in their religions. So that he may not have actually existed but been fabricated basing other religious myths for the new one taking form in Israel is a fair question to raise. And it's not as nonsensical as you seem to think. Quite a few scholars agree.

Like I said, it's up to you if you believe or don't, it makes no difference to me what so ever

10 Christ-like Figures Who Pre-Date Jesus - Listverse

10 religious figures like Jesus who predate him.

Jesus was an amalgamation of figures at best. A complete fabrication at worst. Some even say he was a doomsday prophet who really lived, but all the son of God, founder of Christianity stuff is false.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Even the Quran speaks of Jesus.

Qur'an is heavily based and dependent upon the Bible, which is in turn heavily based and dependent upon the Tanach. If you're basing a new religion on a previous one it's hard to establish yourself as credible if you're like "Jesus? Who's Jesus?"

Worth mentioning Islam maintains Jesus didn't die but ascended to Heaven alive. Hence no crucixfiction or ressurection.

Regardless, your premise is sinking faster than a stone in a river. Even the Greek historians mention Jesus.

You don't want to believe that's fine but your nonsense is just that, nonsense.

Yeshua's life and role in Christianity echoes other Messianic figures in their religions. So that he may not have actually existed but been fabricated basing other religious myths for the new one taking form in Israel is a fair question to raise. And it's not as nonsensical as you seem to think. Quite a few scholars agree.

Like I said, it's up to you if you believe or don't, it makes no difference to me what so ever

10 Christ-like Figures Who Pre-Date Jesus - Listverse

10 religious figures like Jesus who predate him.

Jesus was an amalgamation of figures at best. A complete fabrication at worst. Some even say he was a doomsday prophet who really lived, but all the son of God, founder of Christianity stuff is false.

Yawn....that's no proof He never existed. Like I said, don't believe if you don't want to

 

[daws101]

none of that is proof the jesus was the son of any god..

The thread is about His existence, no?

only partially, if you are even the least bit curious the question arises was his supposed divinity real..

No, read the title and then comment. Fool....here let me help you.

Jesus didn't exist......

Get it?

let me help you, there is no proof the guy called Jesus was the actual guy...the divine one. get it .

Once again troll....the thread isn't about that. Get it...TROLL? Now go bother someone about a typo....troll.

yes it is...and no one is forcing you to post here or answer my posts ...what's in it for you?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Millions of people have traced their ancestry to the Islamic prophet Mohammed. None can say the same of Jesus. Even Joeseph Smith has living descendents. No one claims to be related to Jesus though.

No body. No DNA. No remains. No tomb. No descendents = Didn't exist.

The Bible tells us that Jesus had siblings.

Hostile Non-Biblical Pagan Accounts There are a number of ancient classical accounts of Jesus from pagan, non-Christian sources. These accounts are generally hostile to Christianity; some ancient authors denied the miraculous nature of Jesus and the events surrounding His life:

Thallus (52AD)
Tacitus (56-120AD)
Mara Bar-Serapion (70AD)
Phlegon (80-140AD)
Pliny the Younger (61-113AD)
Suetonius (69-140AD)
Lucian of Samosata: (115-200 A.D.)
Celsus (175AD)

Hostile Non-Biblical Jewish Accounts:

Josephus (37-101AD)
Jewish Talmud (400-700AD)
The Toledot Yeshu (1000AD)

There is evidence outside the Bible that provides proof that Jesus did exist.

The supposed account of Jesus in Talmud wasn't Jesus but someone whose name was also Yeshua (his actual name, 'Jesus' is just the English version of the Greek 'Ieosus' from the NT texts.)

Yeshua?

Yeshua is the Hebrew name, and its English spelling is “Joshua.” Iesous is the Greek transliteration of the Hebrew name, and its English spelling is “Jesus.” Thus, the names “Joshua” and “Jesus” are essentially the same; both are English pronunciations of the Hebrew and Greek names for our Lord.

Yeshua name - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

As an aside, that his name was Yeshua seems contradictory to Isaiah 7:14 prophecizing the Messiah being named 'Immanuel' not 'Yeshua.'

Emmanuel is a title--not a name. Emmanuel means "God with us".

 

[daws101]

Qur'an is heavily based and dependent upon the Bible, which is in turn heavily based and dependent upon the Tanach. If you're basing a new religion on a previous one it's hard to establish yourself as credible if you're like "Jesus? Who's Jesus?"

Worth mentioning Islam maintains Jesus didn't die but ascended to Heaven alive. Hence no crucixfiction or ressurection.

Regardless, your premise is sinking faster than a stone in a river. Even the Greek historians mention Jesus.

You don't want to believe that's fine but your nonsense is just that, nonsense.

Yeshua's life and role in Christianity echoes other Messianic figures in their religions. So that he may not have actually existed but been fabricated basing other religious myths for the new one taking form in Israel is a fair question to raise. And it's not as nonsensical as you seem to think. Quite a few scholars agree.

Like I said, it's up to you if you believe or don't, it makes no difference to me what so ever

10 Christ-like Figures Who Pre-Date Jesus - Listverse

10 religious figures like Jesus who predate him.

Jesus was an amalgamation of figures at best. A complete fabrication at worst. Some even say he was a doomsday prophet who really lived, but all the son of God, founder of Christianity stuff is false.

Yawn....that's no proof He never existed. Like I said, don't believe if you don't want to

willful ignorance at it's finest

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Regardless, your premise is sinking faster than a stone in a river. Even the Greek historians mention Jesus.

You don't want to believe that's fine but your nonsense is just that, nonsense.

Yeshua's life and role in Christianity echoes other Messianic figures in their religions. So that he may not have actually existed but been fabricated basing other religious myths for the new one taking form in Israel is a fair question to raise. And it's not as nonsensical as you seem to think. Quite a few scholars agree.

Like I said, it's up to you if you believe or don't, it makes no difference to me what so ever

10 Christ-like Figures Who Pre-Date Jesus - Listverse

10 religious figures like Jesus who predate him.

Jesus was an amalgamation of figures at best. A complete fabrication at worst. Some even say he was a doomsday prophet who really lived, but all the son of God, founder of Christianity stuff is false.

Yawn....that's no proof He never existed. Like I said, don't believe if you don't want to

willful ignorance at it's finest

Are you jumping up and down screaming "look at me!!!!!". You're adding nothing and are annoying

 

[daws101]

Millions of people have traced their ancestry to the Islamic prophet Mohammed. None can say the same of Jesus. Even Joeseph Smith has living descendents. No one claims to be related to Jesus though.

No body. No DNA. No remains. No tomb. No descendents = Didn't exist.

The Bible tells us that Jesus had siblings.

Hostile Non-Biblical Pagan Accounts There are a number of ancient classical accounts of Jesus from pagan, non-Christian sources. These accounts are generally hostile to Christianity; some ancient authors denied the miraculous nature of Jesus and the events surrounding His life:

Thallus (52AD)
Tacitus (56-120AD)
Mara Bar-Serapion (70AD)
Phlegon (80-140AD)
Pliny the Younger (61-113AD)
Suetonius (69-140AD)
Lucian of Samosata: (115-200 A.D.)
Celsus (175AD)

Hostile Non-Biblical Jewish Accounts:

Josephus (37-101AD)
Jewish Talmud (400-700AD)
The Toledot Yeshu (1000AD)

There is evidence outside the Bible that provides proof that Jesus did exist.

The supposed account of Jesus in Talmud wasn't Jesus but someone whose name was also Yeshua (his actual name, 'Jesus' is just the English version of the Greek 'Ieosus' from the NT texts.)

Yeshua?

Yeshua is the Hebrew name, and its English spelling is “Joshua.” Iesous is the Greek transliteration of the Hebrew name, and its English spelling is “Jesus.” Thus, the names “Joshua” and “Jesus” are essentially the same; both are English pronunciations of the Hebrew and Greek names for our Lord.

Yeshua name - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

As an aside, that his name was Yeshua seems contradictory to Isaiah 7:14 prophecizing the Messiah being named 'Immanuel' not 'Yeshua.'

Emmanuel is a title--not a name. Emmanuel means "God with us".

funny that's the name of a classic porno...
Emmanuelle is the lead character in a series of French soft porn erotic movies based on a character created by Emmanuelle Arsan in the novel Emmanuelle (1959). Only films and episodes produced by the ASP ("Alain Siritzky Productions") film company are official and based on Arsan's character.

The name Emmanuelle (and its various spelling combinations) has gone on to become a by-word for erotic film.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Qur'an is heavily based and dependent upon the Bible, which is in turn heavily based and dependent upon the Tanach. If you're basing a new religion on a previous one it's hard to establish yourself as credible if you're like "Jesus? Who's Jesus?"

Worth mentioning Islam maintains Jesus didn't die but ascended to Heaven alive. Hence no crucixfiction or ressurection.

Regardless, your premise is sinking faster than a stone in a river. Even the Greek historians mention Jesus.

You don't want to believe that's fine but your nonsense is just that, nonsense.

Yeshua's life and role in Christianity echoes other Messianic figures in their religions. So that he may not have actually existed but been fabricated basing other religious myths for the new one taking form in Israel is a fair question to raise. And it's not as nonsensical as you seem to think. Quite a few scholars agree.

Like I said, it's up to you if you believe or don't, it makes no difference to me what so ever

10 Christ-like Figures Who Pre-Date Jesus - Listverse

10 religious figures like Jesus who predate him.

Jesus was an amalgamation of figures at best. A complete fabrication at worst. Some even say he was a doomsday prophet who really lived, but all the son of God, founder of Christianity stuff is false.

Yawn....that's no proof He never existed. Like I said, don't believe if you don't want to

I don't. Or rather I don't believe Yeshua was the son of God, the Jewish Messiah, or anything divine. If he existed he may well have been one of many crazed religious wannabes. But he wasn't the first nor last supposed Jewish Messiah.

List of messiah claimants - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia