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New Testament:Please quote the NT passage that says that..or, heck, even the OT one that does.
Please quote the NT passage that says that..or, heck, even the OT one that does.
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."
Matthew 10:34
"But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence."
Luke 19:27
"I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds."
Revelations 2:23
Luke 19
Zacchaeus the Tax Collector
1Jesus entered Jericho and was passing through. 2A man was there by the name of Zacchaeus; he was a chief tax collector and was wealthy. 3He wanted to see who Jesus was, but being a short man he could not, because of the crowd. 4So he ran ahead and climbed a sycamore-fig tree to see him, since Jesus was coming that way.
5When Jesus reached the spot, he looked up and said to him, "Zacchaeus, come down immediately. I must stay at your house today." 6So he came down at once and welcomed him gladly.
7All the people saw this and began to mutter, "He has gone to be the guest of a 'sinner.' "
8But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, "Look, Lord! Here and now I give half of my possessions to the poor, and if I have cheated anybody out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount."
9Jesus said to him, "Today salvation has come to this house, because this man, too, is a son of Abraham. 10For the Son of Man came to seek and to save what was lost."
The Parable of the Ten Minas
11While they were listening to this, he went on to tell them a parable, because he was near Jerusalem and the people thought that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once.
12He said: "A man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return. 13So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas.[a]'Put this money to work,' he said, 'until I come back.'
14"But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, 'We don't want this man to be our king.'
15"He was made king, however, and returned home. Then he sent for the servants to whom he had given the money, in order to find out what they had gained with it.
16"The first one came and said, 'Sir, your mina has earned ten more.'
17" 'Well done, my good servant!' his master replied. 'Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.'
18"The second came and said, 'Sir, your mina has earned five more.'
19"His master answered, 'You take charge of five cities.'
20"Then another servant came and said, 'Sir, here is your mina; I have kept it laid away in a piece of cloth. 21I was afraid of you, because you are a hard man. You take out what you did not put in and reap what you did not sow.'
22"His master replied, 'I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant! You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in, and reaping what I did not sow? 23Why then didn't you put my money on deposit, so that when I came back, I could have collected it with interest?'
24"Then he said to those standing by, 'Take his mina away from him and give it to the one who has ten minas.'
25" 'Sir,' they said, 'he already has ten!'
26"He replied, 'I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what he has will be taken away. 27But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me."
The Triumphal Entry
28After Jesus had said this, he went on ahead, going up to Jerusalem. 29As he approached Bethphage and Bethany at the hill called the Mount of Olives, he sent two of his disciples, saying to them, 30"Go to the village ahead of you, and as you enter it, you will find a colt tied there, which no one has ever ridden. Untie it and bring it here. 31If anyone asks you, 'Why are you untying it?' tell him, 'The Lord needs it.' "
32Those who were sent ahead went and found it just as he had told them. 33As they were untying the colt, its owners asked them, "Why are you untying the colt?"
34They replied, "The Lord needs it."
35They brought it to Jesus, threw their cloaks on the colt and put Jesus on it. 36As he went along, people spread their cloaks on the road.
37When he came near the place where the road goes down the Mount of Olives, the whole crowd of disciples began joyfully to praise God in loud voices for all the miracles they had seen:
38"Blessed is the king who comes in the name of the Lord!"
"Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!"
39Some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to Jesus, "Teacher, rebuke your disciples!"
40"I tell you," he replied, "if they keep quiet, the stones will cry out."
41As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it 42and said, "If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace—but now it is hidden from your eyes. 43The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. 44They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God's coming to you."
Jesus at the Temple
45Then he entered the temple area and began driving out those who were selling. 46"It is written," he said to them, " 'My house will be a house of prayer'[c]; but you have made it 'a den of robbers.'[d]"
47Every day he was teaching at the temple. But the chief priests, the teachers of the law and the leaders among the people were trying to kill him. 48Yet they could not find any way to do it, because all the people hung on his words.
I'll admit, I've no problem with people owning guns. In fact I think that the slim chance we could rise up against a bad government justifies it easily.
But I often wonder, how do Christians reconcile their belief in people owning guns with the teachings of Jesus?
I'll admit, I've no problem with people owning guns. In fact I think that the slim chance we could rise up against a bad government justifies it easily.
But I often wonder, how do Christians reconcile their belief in people owning guns with the teachings of Jesus?
You don't own the gun to kill, you own the gun to keep from being killed or for sport.
I don't see where Jesus would have a problem with that.
You can kill someone with a fork or a shovel or a rope...If you want to kill someone you find a way, it's not the gun that is the killer it is the spirit of the man holding the weapon.
Modern humanist rationalization."Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."
Matthew 10:34
"But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence."
Luke 19:27
"I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds."
Revelations 2:23
It's a bit different when you take the words out of context and difficult to understand the intentions of his words that way.
Modern humanist rationalization."Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."
Matthew 10:34
"But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence."
Luke 19:27
"I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds."
Revelations 2:23
It's a bit different when you take the words out of context and difficult to understand the intentions of his words that way.
Over the course of history, the vast majority of Christians found these passages, among others, as reason for righteous violence. The passages are there, it is simply a matter of interpretation, as I said before.
I'll admit, I've no problem with people owning guns. In fact I think that the slim chance we could rise up against a bad government justifies it easily.
But I often wonder, how do Christians reconcile their belief in people owning guns with the teachings of Jesus?
You don't own the gun to kill, you own the gun to keep from being killed or for sport.
I don't see where Jesus would have a problem with that.
You can kill someone with a fork or a shovel or a rope...If you want to kill someone you find a way, it's not the gun that is the killer it is the spirit of the man holding the weapon.
IMHO it takes courage to kill with a fork, a shovel or a rope. A firearm is impersonal and the deed may be accomplished with little physical risk to killer.
At the time, my dinner plate was next to me and fork was the first thing that popped in my head. 
Again, the quotes you've provided are about Jesus exacting vengeance from someone that HE judges evil...not a human doing it without the judgment of God.
So my question was about Jesus and guns, not the old testament and guns...jeebus you people are fucking brain dead.Old Testament. With the coming of Christ, the prophesy was fulfilled, and the one commandment he told us to follow, which result in the people of God following all the commandments was...love one another.
So my question was about Jesus and guns, not the old testament and guns...jeebus you people are fucking brain dead.Old Testament. With the coming of Christ, the prophesy was fulfilled, and the one commandment he told us to follow, which result in the people of God following all the commandments was...love one another.
That's right, you did.
Sadly may of my fellow Christians don't really udnerstand (or at least want to admit) that their BIBLE is the NEW Testament.
Why?
Because its HARD to be a New Testament christian, but it's easy to be an OLD Testament kinda Christian.
Lets be honest here, for all his goodness, Jesus was the biggest Jesus-freak of all time. A lot of what he taught just doesn't square with practicality. I mean don't forget, we're talking about a guy who would rather willingly be crucified than fight back. The meek may or may not inherit the earth, but in the mean time meekness sure isn't especially fruitful.
and all shall be marked with the sign of the beast. 1111111111
I thought it was 1010101 So my question was about Jesus and guns, not the old testament and guns...jeebus you people are fucking brain dead.
That's right, you did.
Sadly may of my fellow Christians don't really udnerstand (or at least want to admit) that their BIBLE is the NEW Testament.
Why?
Because its HARD to be a New Testament christian, but it's easy to be an OLD Testament kinda Christian.
Yes, Ravi's question is specific to Jesus which IS the New Testament...Jesus Christ and Christianity ARE the New Testament. The whole point to Jesus' message was that people were misinterpreting some of the Old Testament and he came to provide guidance.
Very true, but that has nothing to do with my question about Jesus and guns.Again, the quotes you've provided are about Jesus exacting vengeance from someone that HE judges evil...not a human doing it without the judgment of God.
Presuming there is a God, nothing we do is without that judgment.
Are you saying Jesus was misguided or perhaps not a shining example of intelligent design?Lets be honest here, for all his goodness, Jesus was the biggest Jesus-freak of all time. A lot of what he taught just doesn't square with practicality. I mean don't forget, we're talking about a guy who would rather willingly be crucified than fight back. The meek may or may not inherit the earth, but in the mean time meekness sure isn't especially fruitful.
