Jesus and guns

[Valerie]

I'll admit, I've no problem with people owning guns. In fact I think that the slim chance we could rise up against a bad government justifies it easily.

But I often wonder, how do Christians reconcile their belief in people owning guns with the teachings of Jesus?

You don't own the gun to kill, you own the gun to keep from being killed or for sport.

I don't see where Jesus would have a problem with that.

You can kill someone with a fork or a shovel or a rope...If you want to kill someone you find a way, it's not the gun that is the killer it is the spirit of the man holding the weapon.

So a gun used to maim is okay

As a last resort in self defense.

 

[AllieBaba]

Old Testament. With the coming of Christ, the prophesy was fulfilled, and the one commandment he told us to follow, which result in the people of God following all the commandments was...love one another.

 

[Ravi]

Old Testament. With the coming of Christ, the prophesy was fulfilled, and the one commandment he told us to follow, which result in the people of God following all the commandments was...love one another.

So my question was about Jesus and guns, not the old testament and guns...jeebus you people are fucking brain dead.

 

[Ravi]

You don't own the gun to kill, you own the gun to keep from being killed or for sport.

I don't see where Jesus would have a problem with that.

You can kill someone with a fork or a shovel or a rope...If you want to kill someone you find a way, it's not the gun that is the killer it is the spirit of the man holding the weapon.

So a gun used to maim is okay

As a last resort in self defense.

Please quote the NT passage that says that..or, heck, even the OT one that does.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The totality of Jesus' expression in the Bible is not one that endorses the concept of firearms. Let's move on. This is not a WWJS moment.

 

[AllieBaba]

Nor did he discourage the ownership of firearms.

Now you can move on. Please.

 

[Modbert]

So my question was about Jesus and guns, not the old testament and guns...jeebus you people are fucking brain dead.

Don't look at me. I was responding to a post.

 

[Valerie]

So a gun used to maim is okay

As a last resort in self defense.

Please quote the NT passage that says that..or, heck, even the OT one that does.

No thank you.



Maybe you can show where it says protecting yourself is NOT "okay".

 

[AllieBaba]

Old Testament. With the coming of Christ, the prophesy was fulfilled, and the one commandment he told us to follow, which result in the people of God following all the commandments was...love one another.

So my question was about Jesus and guns, not the old testament and guns...jeebus you people are fucking brain dead.

You got your answer in about 10 different ways, from about 10 different people.

What Jesus has to say is in the bible, and there's nothing in it about not owning guns. So I think we can reasonably assume he didn't have a problem with it.

Now has it been dumbed down enough for you to understand?

 

[Valerie]

I'll admit, I've no problem with people owning guns. In fact I think that the slim chance we could rise up against a bad government justifies it easily.

But I often wonder, how do Christians reconcile their belief in people owning guns with the teachings of Jesus?

You don't own the gun to kill, you own the gun to keep from being killed or for sport.

I don't see where Jesus would have a problem with that.

You can kill someone with a fork or a shovel or a rope...If you want to kill someone you find a way, it's not the gun that is the killer it is the spirit of the man holding the weapon.

So a gun used to maim is okay

No...A gun used to maim is the same as a kitchen knife used to maim or a shovel, etc.



The end consequence of owning a gun is not always or even mostly resulting in anyone being maimed.

I would assume Jesus loves protecting innocents from being maimed, no?

 

[AllieBaba]

Yes.
And when he comes again, he'll be at the head of an army.

 

[Toro]

Christians aren't some monolithic group.

There are socialist Christians and libertarian Christians. The Bible provides support for both positions, depending upon which passages you quote.

That's the great thing about the Bible - you can find something in there to rationalize pretty much anything that you want.

And you can be a sinner your whole life then repent on your deathbed and get into heaven. That's why Christianity is awesome!

 

[eagleseven]

Christians aren't some monolithic group.

There are socialist Christians and libertarian Christians. The Bible provides support for both positions, depending upon which passages you quote.

That's the great thing about the Bible - you can find something in there to rationalize pretty much anything that you want.

And you can be a sinner your whole life then repent on your deathbed and get into heaven. That's why Christianity is awesome!

Redemption on demand is damned convenient.

Ironic, then, is the soldiers farewell, "I'll see you in hell!"

 

[Ravi]

Old Testament. With the coming of Christ, the prophesy was fulfilled, and the one commandment he told us to follow, which result in the people of God following all the commandments was...love one another.

So my question was about Jesus and guns, not the old testament and guns...jeebus you people are fucking brain dead.

You got your answer in about 10 different ways, from about 10 different people.

What Jesus has to say is in the bible, and there's nothing in it about not owning guns. So I think we can reasonably assume he didn't have a problem with it.

Now has it been dumbed down enough for you to understand?

Is it your belief that if Jesus didn't say anything about a topic he had no views on it? Not that I agree with you but that's certainly interesting to know.

 

[Care4all]

NIV© "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.

KJV Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

 

[Ravi]

I would assume Jesus loves protecting innocents from being maimed, no?

Yes...but did he kill anyone to do it? Would Jesus rather you killed to protect an innocent or keep you and the one you are protecting innocent?

How can you be "innocent" if you've killed?

 

[editec]

I'll admit, I've no problem with people owning guns. In fact I think that the slim chance we could rise up against a bad government justifies it easily.

But I often wonder, how do Christians reconcile their belief in people owning guns with the teachings of Jesus?

Cognative dissonance.

Like most of you folks, I don't have the balls (or is the the faith? Or are they really the same thing?) to be a real pacifist.

Any fool can, when the time is right and the blood is hot, be a tough guy.

But it takes a iron set of gonads to be this guy every damned day:

I do believe that the meek shall inherit the earth.​

Want to know why they will?​

Because they'll be too polite to say:​

"Thanks but no thanks. You keep it."​

Close HS bud of mine was a Pennsy Quaker. Never made any big deal about it.​

But when he turned 18 (in '68!) and received his draft deferment, he sent it back.​

They sent it back to him.​

He sent it back again, this time with a note explaining that he wasn't merely asking for a new status, but instead that he was refusing to acknowledge the right of the goverment to draft anyone.​

If he accepted the deferment, he would STILL be supporting the draft, and the some other schmuck would just go in his place​

He spent two years in prison for his principles and his faith​

Heroism takes all forms.​

 

[AllieBaba]

So my question was about Jesus and guns, not the old testament and guns...jeebus you people are fucking brain dead.

You got your answer in about 10 different ways, from about 10 different people.

What Jesus has to say is in the bible, and there's nothing in it about not owning guns. So I think we can reasonably assume he didn't have a problem with it.

Now has it been dumbed down enough for you to understand?

Is it your belief that if Jesus didn't say anything about a topic he had no views on it? Not that I agree with you but that's certainly interesting to know.

Apparently it wasn't dumbed down enough.

Yes, it's my belief that if Jesus didn't address a topic, it's because there was no need to. As I said, he'll be leading an army, and we're expected to fight alongside him. If you can't put that rationale together, I can't help you.

 

[Ravi]

You got your answer in about 10 different ways, from about 10 different people.

What Jesus has to say is in the bible, and there's nothing in it about not owning guns. So I think we can reasonably assume he didn't have a problem with it.

Now has it been dumbed down enough for you to understand?

Is it your belief that if Jesus didn't say anything about a topic he had no views on it? Not that I agree with you but that's certainly interesting to know.

Apparently it wasn't dumbed down enough.

Yes, it's my belief that if Jesus didn't address a topic, it's because there was no need to. As I said, he'll be leading an army, and we're expected to fight alongside him. If you can't put that rationale together, I can't help you.

Fight demons that Jesus has judged to be demons...not by your judgment, you twit.

Do you have a quote from Jesus on this, btw?

 

[Valerie]

NIV© "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.

KJV Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

To me that goes back to "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." If you are threatened with death, you do unto others and defend yourself to the death, and if you threaten someone with death expect to be fought to the death as well. The aggressor is not innocent, but defending yourself is just the will to survive.

I would assume Jesus loves protecting innocents from being maimed, no?

Yes...but did he kill anyone to do it? Would Jesus rather you killed to protect an innocent or keep you and the one you are protecting innocent?

How can you be "innocent" if you've killed?

That would be for Jesus to decide, not on your "innocence", but on the nature of the act and your subsequent contrition.